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Post by ddigler on Mar 11, 2010 15:20:30 GMT -5
Well lisa, im not a gang member nor have I ever been arrested for drugs so your personal attack means nothing to me. Heres a fact lisa, the prosecutor’s office shut down that task force not Freehold boro. Did you read the first statement in the article? listen or read carefully, Freehold Boro had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TASK FORCE BEING REMOVED, CLEAR YET? Maybe you should direct your anger about this force departing to prosecutor’s office AND ASK THEM! Nice try. Question, I have never heard of someone being stopped because of suspected drugs in there car, thats alittle odd? That would be an illegal search Lisa! |
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Post by Mike Rosseel on Mar 11, 2010 15:21:52 GMT -5
Disbanded drug task force sparks debate
Minenna, Shutzer
exchange views at
Freehold meeting
BY CLARE MARIE CELANO
Staff Writer
Disbanded drug task
force sparks debate
Minenna, Shutzer
exchange views at
Freehold meeting
BY CLARE MARIE CELANO
Staff Writer
FREEHOLD — Vanessa Minenna, the Republican candidate for Borough Coun-cil, continued to ask municipal officials last week why the town cannot have its own drug task force and in doing so, pressed the buttons of at least one council member.
There are two council seats available in the Nov. 2 election. Democratic councilmen Kevin Coyne and Kevin Kane are seeking re-election. Minenna is the only challenger. The terms are for three years.
Until recently, the police departments of Freehold Township and Freehold Borough had operated the so-called JIT team (Joint Investigative Team) in an effort to control drugs on the streets of both municipalities. The 5-year-old partnership ended in March.
Monmouth County Prosecutor John Kaye said drug operations will now be handled by the county’s drug task force.
Minenna raised the issue in July and again on Aug. 16 when she asked council members why the drug squad was no longer in existence since the team had been doing such a "phenomenal" job.
Minenna noted that the borough has more than 11,000 residents and said she believes a local drug task force is warranted. She asked officials why council members could not ask for a Freehold Borough task force.
"This was a law enforcement decision," Borough Attorney Kerry Higgins answered. "We can set policy, we can ask the [police] chief to address certain issues, but we cannot tell him how to order his police department. It is up to the chief to carry out orders as he sees fit."
"Drugs are back on my street," said Minenna, of Ellis Street, to which Councilwoman Sharon Shutzer answered, "Regardless of what you may think, I myself have thought many times about what you are saying, both as a parent and as a teacher. Kids are my life. I would not do anything that I feel would affect children in a negative way. You have repeatedly said there are drugs in town. This only serves to incite fear in people."
Minenna told Shutzer it is a fact that the crime rate in the borough has increased.
Shutzer did not agree with that assertion.
"You have stated that there are California gangs in the town," the councilwoman said. "Two police chiefs have investigated this and both have concurred that there are no California gangs operating in either of our towns. I’m not nasty, but I’ve just about had it. Perhaps you should stop searching for a campaign platform and join the police force."
After referring to Shutzer’s comments as a "tirade," Minenna continued.
"What I was trying to say is that with our population, it would seem we have enough people to warrant our own task force," she said.
"You are not a trained police officer," Higgins responded. "The chief makes those decisions."
Shutzer interjected, "Our task force had an excellent record, but the county task force also has an excellent record. They also have more resources than we do."
Shutzer explained that just because the county task force will be in charge of drug operations in the borough, it does not mean borough police officers will not be involved in the drug control process.
"The whole force will be working on all of the problems and we will have the county with us," the councilwoman said.
Minenna said later that she still does not understand why she did not receive what she would consider to be satisfactory answers to two questions: Why did JIT disband? and Why can’t Freehold Borough have its own drug task force?
Mayor Michael Wilson told Minenna in July that the Monmouth County Prosecutor’s Office had taken over the duties previously performed by the JIT team in an effort to give borough officers more time to concentrate on the safety of the town.
A recent statement issued by the police chiefs of both municipalities and read by Councilman Robert Crawford at the Aug. 16 meeting confirmed what Wilson said in July and assured residents that both towns would be as safe as they have always been. The statement from the police chiefs said the decision to stop the JIT team was a law enforcement decision and not one made by any elected officials.
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Post by lisa on Mar 11, 2010 15:29:16 GMT -5
Well lisa, im not a gang member nor have I ever been arrested for drugs so your personal attack means nothing to me. Heres a fact lisa, the prosecutor’s office shut down that task force not Freehold boro. Did you read the first statement in the article? listen or read carefully, Freehold Boro had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TASK FORCE BEING REMOVED, CLEAR YET? Maybe you should direct your anger about this force departing to prosecutor’s office AND ASK THEM! Nice try. Question, I have never heard of someone being stopped because of suspected drugs in there car, thats alittle odd? That would be an illegal search Lisa! ddigler The Mayer stated he has every right to ask the prosecutor’s office for anything this town needs being the County Seat. Those were his words. In my opinion I really don't care who shut it down the fact is. We have a problem with gangs in this town, drugs and robbery’s. According to what the mayor states we could have the Task force reinstated at any time. That’s’ the point!. |
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Post by ddigler on Mar 11, 2010 15:29:24 GMT -5
Just a side note, at the same time this most honorable John Kaye at the time never mentions the fact that numerous towns continued to operate their own "JIT" teams and still do to this day...the borough was hand selected and the council went along with it..slap in the face for all the hard work these officers did.
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Post by Mike Rosseel on Mar 11, 2010 15:29:36 GMT -5
you are correct ddigler, it was just township and boro, i was incorrect with that information.
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Post by lisa on Mar 11, 2010 15:33:46 GMT -5
Lisa, I would just like to point out that the flowers downtown are paid for by the Freehold Center Partnership/DowntownFreehold.com from the Special Assessment Tax on the Downtown property owners. It does not come from the taxes generated on properties outside the Special Improvement District. In that case I guess only the business owners care what downtown looks like? |
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Post by richardkelsey on Mar 11, 2010 15:36:33 GMT -5
Mike -- the article you found is interesting.
Hindsight is now 20/20. I wonder if we compare the crime statistics from the time of this article until now, if we find any significant differences?
One assertion made was that some form of crime was up 5 fold? That seems high to me.
However, i think if we look at the numbers, and they are more than marginal, this article could argue for a different conclusion. That is, it may be that the loss of the dedicated team has actually handicapped our fine department from taking on the growing challenges in town.
If, however, crime numbers are down, or specific types of crime numbers are down -- then Councilwoman Schutzer might be right.
On the gang issue -- I don't know how we ferret that out. I have to take the word of the investigation into the presence of California gangs by our own police. Of course, that might be different now -- I don't know those answers.
I suspect some more digging on this crime numbers would be useful.
I looked at the 2007 to 2008 numbers on the link provided to the NJ State police site. It is true that crime was up, and not insignificantly. However, rapes, murders, and robberies were down. (2007 to 2008). Aggravated assaults were up significantly as a percentage -- not as a raw number. (That might just have been among posters of this site!)
To me -- comparing 2004 to 2008 or 2009 would give better sight to any trends in crime issues.
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Post by jefffriedman on Mar 11, 2010 15:41:51 GMT -5
Yesterday at 10:17pm, Mike Rosseel wrote:Well lisa, im not a gang member nor have I ever been arrested for drugs so your personal attack means nothing to me.
Heres a fact lisa, the prosecutor’s office shut down that task force not Freehold boro. Did you read the first statement in the article? listen or read carefully, Freehold Boro had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TASK FORCE BEING REMOVED, CLEAR YET? Maybe you should direct your anger about this force departing to prosecutor’s office AND ASK THEM! Nice try.
Question, I have never heard of someone being stopped because of suspected drugs in there car, thats alittle odd? That would be an illegal search Lisa!
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People are stopped everyday because of suspected drugs in the car. Police can search a car if there is reasonable articulated suspicion of criminal activity. Cars also have a lower threshold with regards to searches called the automobile exception.
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Post by lisa on Mar 11, 2010 15:44:23 GMT -5
Crime in New Jersey Crime in New Jersey State Police Uniform Crime Report Rankings Page 1 of 1 [Total records: 100] Click town name for complete crime detail RANK MUNICIPALITY COUNTY VIOLENT 1 Jersey City HUDSON 3,180 2 Newark ESSEX 2,956 3 Camden CAMDEN 1,686 4 Trenton MERCER 1,526 5 Paterson PASSAIC 1,445 6 Irvington ESSEX 1,397 7 East Orange ESSEX 1,068 8 Elizabeth UNION 834 9 Atlantic City ATLANTIC 772 10 Vineland CUMBERLAND 722 11 Passaic PASSAIC 684 12 Plainfield UNION 517 13 Orange ESSEX 360 14 Asbury Park MONMOUTH 346 15 New Brunswick MIDDLESEX 345 16 Union City HUDSON 325 17 Bridgeton CUMBERLAND 322 18 Woodbridge MIDDLESEX 311 19 Millville CUMBERLAND 241 20 Edison MIDDLESEX 234 21 Bayonne HUDSON 220 22 Winslow CAMDEN 199 23 Gloucester Twp. CAMDEN 195 24 Union UNION 174 25 Pennsauken CAMDEN 173 26 Hamilton Twp. MERCER 172 27 Clifton City PASSAIC 170 28 Perth Amboy MIDDLESEX 169 29 West New York HUDSON 168 30 Lakewood OCEAN 164 31 Neptune Twp. MONMOUTH 151 32 Bloomfield ESSEX 143 33 Pleasantville ATLANTIC 143 34 Morristown MORRIS 142 35 Long Branch MONMOUTH 138 36 Hackensack BERGEN 134 37 Dover OCEAN 133 38 North Bergen HUDSON 132 39 Belleville ESSEX 126 40 Lindenwold CAMDEN 124 41 Willingboro BURLINGTON 121 42 Montclair ESSEX 121 43 Ewing MERCER 121 44 Hoboken HUDSON 118 45 Kearny HUDSON 116 46 Hillside UNION 109 47 Pemberton Twp. BURLINGTON 109 48 Linden UNION 107 49 Cherry Hill CAMDEN 102 50 Deptford GLOUCESTER 99 51 West Orange ESSEX 93 52 Franklin Twp. SOMERSET 93 53 Rahway UNION 89 54 North Brunswick MIDDLESEX 88 55 Seaside Heights OCEAN 87 56 Maplewood ESSEX 85 57 Middle Twp. CAPE MAY 84 58 Galloway ATLANTIC 83 59 South Orange ESSEX 80 60 Hamilton Twp. ATLANTIC 78 61 Washington Twp. GLOUCESTER 77 62 Roselle UNION 76 63 Wildwood CAPE MAY 75 64 Teaneck BERGEN 74 65 Englewood BERGEN 74 66 Garfield BERGEN 73 67 Egg Harbor Twp. ATLANTIC 72 68 Harrison HUDSON 68 69 Glassboro GLOUCESTER 67 70 Paramus BERGEN 66 71 Monroe GLOUCESTER 65 72 Old Bridge MIDDLESEX 65 73 Salem SALEM 64 74 Berkeley OCEAN 62 75 Dover MORRIS 62 76 Piscataway MIDDLESEX 60 77 Sayreville MIDDLESEX 60 78 Wayne PASSAIC 59 79 North Plainfield SOMERSET 59 80 Penns Grove SALEM 57 81 Guttenberg HUDSON 57 82 Lawrence MERCER 57 83 Carteret MIDDLESEX 56 84 Freehold Twp. MONMOUTH 56 85 Fairview BERGEN 55 86 Lodi BERGEN 52 87 East Brunswick MIDDLESEX 51 88 Burlington BURLINGTON 49 89 Evesham BURLINGTON 47 90 Mount Laurel BURLINGTON 47 91 Howell MONMOUTH 46 92 Somers Point ATLANTIC 45 93 Brick OCEAN 44 94 Voorhees CAMDEN 44 95 Pine Hill CAMDEN 44 96 Paulsboro GLOUCESTER 43 97 Woodbury GLOUCESTER 42 98 Jackson OCEAN 42 99 Stafford OCEAN 41 100 Clementon CAMDEN 41 Violent crime ranking..... Mike I do realize that page I provided you a link to is very long therefore you may find it confusing. What I posted was a direct reference to Freehold boro, I believe it was on page 140. Information provided By the New Jersey state Police. Since you offer no link to the page your talking about I have now idea where you got it from. Therefore it's basically a wasted post. |
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Post by richardkelsey on Mar 11, 2010 15:47:28 GMT -5
Yesterday at 10:17pm, Mike Rosseel wrote:Well lisa, im not a gang member nor have I ever been arrested for drugs so your personal attack means nothing to me. Heres a fact lisa, the prosecutor’s office shut down that task force not Freehold boro. Did you read the first statement in the article? listen or read carefully, Freehold Boro had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TASK FORCE BEING REMOVED, CLEAR YET? Maybe you should direct your anger about this force departing to prosecutor’s office AND ASK THEM! Nice try. Question, I have never heard of someone being stopped because of suspected drugs in there car, thats alittle odd? That would be an illegal search Lisa! **************** Mike, People are stopped everyday because of suspected drugs in the car. Police can search a car if there is reasonable articulated suspicion of criminal activity. Cars also have a lower threshold with regards to searches called the automobile exception. Jeff -- you were paying attention in criminal procedure! This is correct. What constitutes a reasonable articulable suspicion is always fact driven, but the bar is reasonably low. |
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Post by richardkelsey on Mar 11, 2010 15:50:10 GMT -5
On Gangs: It appears Ms. Minaya was right about her concern over gangs, and California based gangs. This NJ report is a survey on gangs. It groups jurisdictions, so the break out isn't great. There is much dense material, but no doubt that in 2004 Freehold Borough reported no gang activity, in 2007, they reported gang activity. A rise in California based gangs was noticeable state wide, and Monmouth and Ocean Counties reported significant statistical rises in gang activity. This is an interesting read. www.state.nj.us/njsp/info/pdf/njgangsurvey-2007.pdf |
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Post by richardkelsey on Mar 11, 2010 16:06:03 GMT -5
Okay -- here are the crime stats from 2004 www.state.nj.us/njsp/info/ucr2004/pdf/2004_section7.pdfSame source as the 2008 crime states www.njsp.org/info/ucr2008/pdf/2008-sect-7.pdfThe difference is not compelling -- particularly in violent crimes. Violent crime rate per thousand -- up from 4.8 to 5.1. murder rape robbery aggravated Assault 2004 0 4 25 26 2008 1 4 26 28 Check the rest of the numbers for yourselves. Sorry -- formatting won't line up. It's year, # of Murders, # of rapes, # of Robberies, etc. |
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Post by lisa on Mar 11, 2010 16:38:48 GMT -5
Crime in New Jersey Crime in New Jersey State Police Uniform Crime Report Rankings Page 1 of 1 [Total records: 100] Click town name for complete crime detail RANK MUNICIPALITY COUNTY TOTAL 1 Newark ESSEX 16,374 2 Jersey City HUDSON 11,987 3 Camden CAMDEN 6,016 4 Elizabeth UNION 5,974 5 Paterson PASSAIC 5,880 6 Atlantic City ATLANTIC 5,708 7 Trenton MERCER 5,265 8 Irvington ESSEX 4,706 9 East Orange ESSEX 4,591 10 Vineland CUMBERLAND 3,574 11 Woodbridge MIDDLESEX 3,162 12 Edison MIDDLESEX 2,696 13 Passaic PASSAIC 2,303 14 New Brunswick MIDDLESEX 2,175 15 Cherry Hill CAMDEN 2,140 16 Plainfield UNION 2,094 17 Clifton City PASSAIC 2,073 18 Dover OCEAN 1,984 19 Orange ESSEX 1,951 20 Hamilton Twp. MERCER 1,876 21 Union City HUDSON 1,824 22 Bloomfield ESSEX 1,797 23 Gloucester Twp. CAMDEN 1,779 24 Union UNION 1,776 25 Millville CUMBERLAND 1,739 26 Lakewood OCEAN 1,636 27 Neptune Twp. MONMOUTH 1,598 28 Linden UNION 1,573 29 Paramus BERGEN 1,567 30 Hoboken HUDSON 1,521 31 Pennsauken CAMDEN 1,484 32 Deptford GLOUCESTER 1,469 33 Brick OCEAN 1,385 34 Perth Amboy MIDDLESEX 1,370 35 North Bergen HUDSON 1,342 36 Asbury Park MONMOUTH 1,313 37 Wayne PASSAIC 1,306 38 Bridgeton CUMBERLAND 1,298 39 Egg Harbor Twp. ATLANTIC 1,240 40 Kearny HUDSON 1,197 41 Hackensack BERGEN 1,194 42 West Orange ESSEX 1,174 43 Bayonne HUDSON 1,158 44 Washington Twp. GLOUCESTER 1,135 45 Hamilton Twp. ATLANTIC 1,126 46 Lawrence MERCER 1,121 47 Old Bridge MIDDLESEX 1,093 48 Montclair ESSEX 1,080 49 North Brunswick MIDDLESEX 1,065 50 Belleville ESSEX 1,054 51 Ewing MERCER 1,039 52 Freehold Twp. MONMOUTH 1,035 53 West New York HUDSON 1,029 54 Ocean City CAPE MAY 999 55 Winslow CAMDEN 994 56 Morristown MORRIS 971 57 Long Branch MONMOUTH 959 58 Franklin Twp. SOMERSET 954 59 Hillside UNION 905 60 Voorhees CAMDEN 897 61 East Brunswick MIDDLESEX 876 62 Piscataway MIDDLESEX 861 63 Sayreville MIDDLESEX 826 64 Glassboro GLOUCESTER 789 65 Maplewood ESSEX 779 66 Pemberton Twp. BURLINGTON 779 67 Galloway ATLANTIC 778 68 Berkeley OCEAN 769 69 Ocean MONMOUTH 762 70 Pleasantville ATLANTIC 753 71 Lindenwold CAMDEN 748 72 Willingboro BURLINGTON 747 73 Parsippany-Troy Hills MORRIS 747 74 Middletown MONMOUTH 743 75 Monroe GLOUCESTER 734 76 Middle Twp. CAPE MAY 709 77 Secaucus HUDSON 705 78 Mount Laurel BURLINGTON 701 79 Evesham BURLINGTON 695 80 Teaneck BERGEN 689 81 Howell MONMOUTH 668 82 Garfield BERGEN 665 83 Englewood BERGEN 651 84 Millburn ESSEX 645 85 Rahway UNION 640 86 South Orange ESSEX 634 87 Roselle UNION 623 88 Wildwood CAPE MAY 620 89 Bridgewater SOMERSET 616 90 Livingston ESSEX 598 91 Woodbury GLOUCESTER 597 92 North Plainfield SOMERSET 580 93 Jackson OCEAN 575 94 Stafford OCEAN 573 95 Lower Twp. CAPE MAY 565 96 South Brunswick MIDDLESEX 546 97 Eatontown MONMOUTH 545 98 Moorestown BURLINGTON 542 99 West Windsor MERCER 535 100 Lacey OCEAN 528 Still don't see Freehold Boro, but Township is on twice?? Mike i really do understand how extensive that site it. To make it simpler go to this page www.state.nj.us/njsp/info/ucr2008/index.htmlthen section of the site SECTION VII- NEW JERSEY MUNICIPAL-COUNTY OFFENSE & DEMOGRAPHIC DATA in the adobe page type in freehold Boro in the search box up at the top. It gives you the exact page where Freehold Boro is refereed to. Sorry If I didn't direct you better |
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Post by lisa on Mar 11, 2010 16:52:33 GMT -5
Mike, with all due respect you have gotten several facts wrong in some of your post like this one. Think outside Freehold Borough and ask yourself why this just so happened to have happened at the same time one of the town officials had his run in with the PD. Coincidently, the officer involved in that case just so happens to be the same one that ran the JIT team...hmmm. This same official is very tied in at the county level also..hmmmmm. The JIT team was only FTPD and FBPD members also, not a multi town team. ddigler I'm glad you stated that, What I ask myself with full understanding how politics works and how towns must work together in fighting crime. You tell me if you think my thoughts are wrong since you brought it up? I'm thinking Freehold Township doesn't actually require as much in a task force as the boro might. That being mostly for logistic reasons after all we actually have a busy town were drug sellers would automatically be more attracted to. So Freehold township ends up using their man power more and more in the Boro. Whereas the Township doesn't need it so much. The township gets tired of sending out so many of their men when they could be patrolling their own streets and decides to back out? One hand washes the other right? But if Freehold Township starts to realize their loosing in the deal? Why wouldn't they tell the Prosecutors office they want out? |
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Post by lisa on Mar 11, 2010 17:17:32 GMT -5
Yesterday at 10:17pm, Mike Rosseel wrote:Well lisa, im not a gang member nor have I ever been arrested for drugs so your personal attack means nothing to me. Heres a fact lisa, the prosecutor’s office shut down that task force not Freehold boro. Did you read the first statement in the article? listen or read carefully, Freehold Boro had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TASK FORCE BEING REMOVED, CLEAR YET? Maybe you should direct your anger about this force departing to prosecutor’s office AND ASK THEM! Nice try. Question, I have never heard of someone being stopped because of suspected drugs in there car, thats alittle odd? That would be an illegal search Lisa! **************** Mike, People are stopped everyday because of suspected drugs in the car. Police can search a car if there is reasonable articulated suspicion of criminal activity. Cars also have a lower threshold with regards to searches called the automobile exception. jefffriedman Than my contention is WHY? It's a well know fact that gangs all over this country are becoming bigger and stronger by the day. All it takes is a little bit of informative TV to know that. And I'm sure the Police and our Mayor are more then well enough informed of that fact. So Why? We obviously have Police officers in this town that are more than capable of dealing with this issue. But from what I understand they are also spread somewhat thin due to cutbacks. And I did read the entire article where The Mayor also stated he's in a position to ask the Prosecutors office for anything he see's fit that this town may need. 4 gangs isn't enough? Than what is enough? |
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Post by jefffriedman on Mar 11, 2010 17:27:37 GMT -5
Lisa,
I was just cutting and pasting from one of Mike earlier posts, I don't know how to do the box thing, and was responding to his question regarding car searches. My comment began under the line break.
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Post by Mike Rosseel on Mar 11, 2010 17:43:30 GMT -5
Crime in New Jersey Crime in New Jersey State Police Uniform Crime Report Rankings Page 1 of 1 [Total records: 100] Click town name for complete crime detail RANK MUNICIPALITY COUNTY TOTAL 1 Newark ESSEX 16,374 2 Jersey City HUDSON 11,987 3 Camden CAMDEN 6,016 4 Elizabeth UNION 5,974 5 Paterson PASSAIC 5,880 6 Atlantic City ATLANTIC 5,708 7 Trenton MERCER 5,265 8 Irvington ESSEX 4,706 9 East Orange ESSEX 4,591 10 Vineland CUMBERLAND 3,574 11 Woodbridge MIDDLESEX 3,162 12 Edison MIDDLESEX 2,696 13 Passaic PASSAIC 2,303 14 New Brunswick MIDDLESEX 2,175 15 Cherry Hill CAMDEN 2,140 16 Plainfield UNION 2,094 17 Clifton City PASSAIC 2,073 18 Dover OCEAN 1,984 19 Orange ESSEX 1,951 20 Hamilton Twp. MERCER 1,876 21 Union City HUDSON 1,824 22 Bloomfield ESSEX 1,797 23 Gloucester Twp. CAMDEN 1,779 24 Union UNION 1,776 25 Millville CUMBERLAND 1,739 26 Lakewood OCEAN 1,636 27 Neptune Twp. MONMOUTH 1,598 28 Linden UNION 1,573 29 Paramus BERGEN 1,567 30 Hoboken HUDSON 1,521 31 Pennsauken CAMDEN 1,484 32 Deptford GLOUCESTER 1,469 33 Brick OCEAN 1,385 34 Perth Amboy MIDDLESEX 1,370 35 North Bergen HUDSON 1,342 36 Asbury Park MONMOUTH 1,313 37 Wayne PASSAIC 1,306 38 Bridgeton CUMBERLAND 1,298 39 Egg Harbor Twp. ATLANTIC 1,240 40 Kearny HUDSON 1,197 41 Hackensack BERGEN 1,194 42 West Orange ESSEX 1,174 43 Bayonne HUDSON 1,158 44 Washington Twp. GLOUCESTER 1,135 45 Hamilton Twp. ATLANTIC 1,126 46 Lawrence MERCER 1,121 47 Old Bridge MIDDLESEX 1,093 48 Montclair ESSEX 1,080 49 North Brunswick MIDDLESEX 1,065 50 Belleville ESSEX 1,054 51 Ewing MERCER 1,039 52 Freehold Twp. MONMOUTH 1,035 53 West New York HUDSON 1,029 54 Ocean City CAPE MAY 999 55 Winslow CAMDEN 994 56 Morristown MORRIS 971 57 Long Branch MONMOUTH 959 58 Franklin Twp. SOMERSET 954 59 Hillside UNION 905 60 Voorhees CAMDEN 897 61 East Brunswick MIDDLESEX 876 62 Piscataway MIDDLESEX 861 63 Sayreville MIDDLESEX 826 64 Glassboro GLOUCESTER 789 65 Maplewood ESSEX 779 66 Pemberton Twp. BURLINGTON 779 67 Galloway ATLANTIC 778 68 Berkeley OCEAN 769 69 Ocean MONMOUTH 762 70 Pleasantville ATLANTIC 753 71 Lindenwold CAMDEN 748 72 Willingboro BURLINGTON 747 73 Parsippany-Troy Hills MORRIS 747 74 Middletown MONMOUTH 743 75 Monroe GLOUCESTER 734 76 Middle Twp. CAPE MAY 709 77 Secaucus HUDSON 705 78 Mount Laurel BURLINGTON 701 79 Evesham BURLINGTON 695 80 Teaneck BERGEN 689 81 Howell MONMOUTH 668 82 Garfield BERGEN 665 83 Englewood BERGEN 651 84 Millburn ESSEX 645 85 Rahway UNION 640 86 South Orange ESSEX 634 87 Roselle UNION 623 88 Wildwood CAPE MAY 620 89 Bridgewater SOMERSET 616 90 Livingston ESSEX 598 91 Woodbury GLOUCESTER 597 92 North Plainfield SOMERSET 580 93 Jackson OCEAN 575 94 Stafford OCEAN 573 95 Lower Twp. CAPE MAY 565 96 South Brunswick MIDDLESEX 546 97 Eatontown MONMOUTH 545 98 Moorestown BURLINGTON 542 99 West Windsor MERCER 535 100 Lacey OCEAN 528 Still don't see Freehold Boro, but Township is on twice?? Mike i really do understand how extensive that site it. To make it simpler go to this page www.state.nj.us/njsp/info/ucr2008/index.htmlthen section of the site SECTION VII- NEW JERSEY MUNICIPAL-COUNTY OFFENSE & DEMOGRAPHIC DATA in the adobe page type in freehold Boro in the search box up at the top. It gives you the exact page where Freehold Boro is refereed to. Sorry If I didn't direct you better Lisa I guess the lesson learned is we all can't be as web savy or overflowing with knowledge like you. You certainly are my hero, like I said looking forward to seeing your name on the ticket because Im sure you would be a difference maker like you were in Keyport!!! Miller and Lisa 2010, vote Freehold! |
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Post by Mike Rosseel on Mar 11, 2010 18:02:16 GMT -5
Heres the moral of the story as per Lisa;
She loves Freehold and all it has to offer.
she hates our governing body.
respects our police because they helped here with a year long fight(imagine someone fighting with her)
Knows we have gangs
Knows we have drugs
knows how to create shortcuts for links...
If i could build an alter, i would have started already.
I say:
Our mayor and council do an excellent job(that includes Newman)
Our police are Excellent.
Our mayor and council and police work together.
Freehold has alot to offer thanks to our council
I didnt copy a link to my facts so Im wrong.
I am paranoid, the drunk on a bar stool, stupid, and below her highness
Lisa hands down you win. Amazing debate, you have it all right! I feel so much more of a freeholder since this debate started. I apologize to you (and either Ted or Brian bc they would be the ones to tell you my personal information) for my living arrangments. I must be a member of the GANG that cares about family! End of discussion, Lisa once again, cant wait until November for your election. Just do me a favor, when you make your campaign signs, make them Miller and Lisa so we all know its you! Best of luck in life Lisa, til we meet again!!!
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Post by admin on Mar 11, 2010 18:14:46 GMT -5
I must say -- this is a lively thread. I understand that everyone is getting excited about their relative positions. And, there are lots of facts being thrown around -- which we loved. And, we also love that on this site, our people can discuss difficult issues, exchange views, and tackle subjects no other site does right now. However -- in my duty as moderator -- I would like to ask everyone to remember our over-arching guidelines. Keep it sane. The arguments should stand on their own -- no need to instigate ill personal feelings toward each other. Moderating is hard, so help us make it easier by stepping off the gas on the personal digs. Thanks -- and I enjoy being a spectator to this debate. I have to echo what Rich said. Keeping things sane is very important and it is worth mentioning when we see participants who are very passionate about a stance on a subject. Both of you have done a terrific job of not only expressing your opinions, but providing facts. That makes for a good read. Lisa, your concerns are shared by many, you are not wrong for airing them out. Mike, your passionate defense of the town you love and the governing body you support is also very good to see. You are not wrong for taking the stance you believe in. At the end of the day, we all want the same thing, don't we? A nice town to live in. That is why it is important to work together, be respectful of each others different opinions, and keep it sane. |
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Post by lisas84 on Mar 11, 2010 18:38:46 GMT -5
Through this entire thread, I keep having a thought, wonderment so strong. I wonder why young people join gangs. I also wonder the success rate of working with those young people to break away from criminal groups and learn how to apply themselves in a more positive manner, and to address and/or teach how to positively, productively rather then destructively fulfill those needs they are seeking when they join up. I would believe that youngsters absolutely know that much of the activity is illegal and dangerous.
In my view, perhaps this is where a lot of focus should be. But you can't just educate the kids without understanding the alluring factors of joining a gang and living that lifestyle. In order to be successful with this approach, I believe one needs to fully understand the way these kids think/feel and what those needs are that they are trying to fulfill, and why they erroneously believe that joining a gang is the only way to fulfill those needs.
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Post by lisa on Mar 11, 2010 18:38:50 GMT -5
Lisa, I was just cutting and pasting from one of Mike earlier posts, I don't know how to do the box thing, and was responding to his question regarding car searches. My comment began under the line break. Jeff For the box? Just hit the quote button up at the right of the of the individuals statement. Sorry I misread you |
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Post by lisas84 on Mar 11, 2010 18:43:35 GMT -5
By the way -- what the heck is so wrong about rose-colored glasses? I actually had a groovy pair that were shaped like what Janis Joplin used to wear. I wish I still had them, some blubbery drunken jerk sat on them and that was it. I would love to find another pair. I guess I got to find a hippie store.
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Post by admin on Mar 11, 2010 18:48:23 GMT -5
Two posts have been deleted from this thread. One had a blatant site violation that we enforce strictly.
Please, lets stay away from insults or getting too heated. The passionate opinions are very welcome.
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BrianSullivan
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Post by BrianSullivan on Mar 11, 2010 18:55:34 GMT -5
Lisa, I would just like to point out that the flowers downtown are paid for by the Freehold Center Partnership/DowntownFreehold.com from the Special Assessment Tax on the Downtown property owners. It does not come from the taxes generated on properties outside the Special Improvement District. Good clarification. I will point out that those flowers are planted by people in this town who care. That is always a very fun day that I look forward to. ;D |
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Post by lisa on Mar 11, 2010 18:56:39 GMT -5
Through this entire thread, I keep having a thought, wonderment so strong. I wonder why young people join gangs. I also wonder the success rate of working with those young people to break away from criminal groups and learn how to apply themselves in a more positive manner, and to address and/or teach how to positively, productively rather then destructively fulfill those needs they are seeking when they join up. I would believe that youngsters absolutely know that much of the activity is illegal and dangerous. In my view, perhaps this is where a lot of focus should be. But you can't just educate the kids without understanding the alluring factors of joining a gang and living that lifestyle. In order to be successful with this approach, I believe one needs to fully understand the way these kids think/feel and what those needs are that they are trying to fulfill, and why they erroneously believe that joining a gang is the only way to fulfill those needs. Lisa Let me try to explain this somewhat to you. Young children are very curious for starters. They innately have a desire for acceptance. Usually gangs provide that need to them. Pulling them further and further away from their parents to a group of people that take them for what they are. Parents spend their time trying to teach their children whats right and wrong. Sometimes that makes them feel like their not good enough or can't do anything right I Know it is possible to break them away. But they need a very strong group of adults around them to help them. If they end up in jail. once they get out thats usually a great place to start. When they do get out though you have to consider that those gangs are going to work very hard to bring that person back into the fold. That child needs to have a desire to get out or your wasting time. But if they do you need to get them away from that same group of people that are pulling them back. That means If you have to move than move. Whatever it takes to get them away from that lifestyle. If not? Again it's a waste of time? Lisa Like I've said before My Family's from Brooklyn. Eventually they all left because it was being taken over by those gangs. Including Drive-by shootings Robbery's and drugs. It's a tough environment to grow up in and not see how totally wrong it is. I hope that helps you, even if only a little. |
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Post by BrianSullivan on Mar 11, 2010 18:57:36 GMT -5
By the way -- what the heck is so wrong about rose-colored glasses? I actually had a groovy pair that were shaped like what Janis Joplin used to wear. I wish I still had them, some blubbery drunken jerk sat on them and that was it. I would love to find another pair. I guess I got to find a hippie store. Ya know, I bet you do look just fine in rose colored glasses. I will keep an eye out for a pair for you. |
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Post by lisa on Mar 11, 2010 18:58:43 GMT -5
By the way -- what the heck is so wrong about rose-colored glasses? I actually had a groovy pair that were shaped like what Janis Joplin used to wear. I wish I still had them, some blubbery drunken jerk sat on them and that was it. I would love to find another pair. I guess I got to find a hippie store. LOL Lisa If I find a pair I'll let you know |
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Post by BrianSullivan on Mar 11, 2010 19:03:29 GMT -5
Through this entire thread, I keep having a thought, wonderment so strong. I wonder why young people join gangs. I also wonder the success rate of working with those young people to break away from criminal groups and learn how to apply themselves in a more positive manner, and to address and/or teach how to positively, productively rather then destructively fulfill those needs they are seeking when they join up. I would believe that youngsters absolutely know that much of the activity is illegal and dangerous. In my view, perhaps this is where a lot of focus should be. But you can't just educate the kids without understanding the alluring factors of joining a gang and living that lifestyle. In order to be successful with this approach, I believe one needs to fully understand the way these kids think/feel and what those needs are that they are trying to fulfill, and why they erroneously believe that joining a gang is the only way to fulfill those needs. I saw just before I responded to this that the other Lisa responded with a good post. I planned on a simpler response. Gangs are for weaklings and cowards. I say weak because too many come from very broken homes and are taking the cheap way out. Without a strong family structure, it is very difficult for a kid to recover and gain the strength to stand on their own without a gang. BTW, we have four registered Lisa's on this site. I am going to rename this the "Lisa Voice." lol |
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Post by BrianSullivan on Mar 11, 2010 19:07:38 GMT -5
BTW, speaking of drugs, there was a hell of an article in the APP and other papers today about the biggest pot bust in NJ. If anyone noticed, all of the mentioned towns were affluent ones, not Long Branch, Asbury Park etc.
The problem is everywhere.
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Post by lisas84 on Mar 11, 2010 19:08:38 GMT -5
Brian, I absolutely agree about the genesis of kids joining gangs. And this is where experts and professionals need to concentrate. I am a bleeding heart liberal, but I am not capable of dealing with this behavior or situation in a results-oriented professional manner. Although I wish I could heal those kids. I certainly have more than enough unconditional love to give!
Meanwhile, yes, Lisas are Legion. We rule the world. Didn't you learn that? Ha ha!
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