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Post by admin on Nov 2, 2009 20:19:56 GMT -5
I am writing this addressing the readers of the web site that I am the administrator of, the Freehold Voice. Once posted there, I am sending this out to every web site and email address where Freehold Borough voters may see it. I ask people to copy, paste and send this to every Freehold voter you know.
In past years, I have never discussed my vote for the local governing body election, nor have I ever publicly endorsed any local candidate for office on the site. My goal with the Freehold Voice has been to get the best possible information to the site and interest readers enough to get out and vote. Apathy is the worst thing for any of us.
This year, I am changing from past practices. Though short of an endorsement of any candidate, I am asking people to withhold a vote for candidate and incumbent councilman Marc Le Vine. I do so for several reasons. Among them are: that he has had enough time to effect change, failed us, and has been a liability. He is also a very different person than when he was first appointed back onto council by the Mayor. He has also chosen politics and political gain over friendship and service.
When I think of the leadership we need in Freehold Borough, I think of Ronald Reagan. Not because of his party or any specific action he took, but because of two things he is well remembered for. Reagan was an eternal optimist about America. Beyond that, he also had the guts to face down our worst enemy. Reagan stared right at the Berlin wall and screamed " tear down this wall!" He also followed through and ensured not only our freedoms, but freedom for people all over the world.
Like Reagan, Le Vine is an optimist. However, he has failed in addressing our own Berlin walls in our town. Le Vine has opted for rose colored glasses and refuses to acknowledge that our town has problems that need to be addressed in an aggressive way. Before he was appointed, he did address some of our problems in an aggressive way. His appointment was one of hope for the many people in Freehold who hold real and legitimate concerns.
When facing our problems, Le Vine has adopted a "wait and see" approach. That is a failing strategy and dangerous for our town. Under his watch we have waited and seen as entire blocks were turned into rental areas, including some of the towns most beautiful and historic homes. We have waited and seen as crime has remained high. We have waited and seen as our schools became overcrowded. We have waited and seen as outside special interests have paralyzed our town and dug in with a firm grip. We have waited and seen as landlords have now united. Considering the track record of the past, there is no reason to believe that Le Vine will be able to handle them well. We have waited and seen as other downtowns prospered while ours stagnated. ( outside the of restaurant industry)
So much for the guy who was willing to look at our problems dead in the eye. Instead, Le Vine has looked at community based activities as our solutions, While those are great things with tremendous value, but we need far more from a councilperson, Le Vine will do well as an appointee to municipal committees so that he may continue those endeavors. We need someone who will not wait two years to created the rental board when so desperately needed.
Some people may accuse me of writing this as a carry over from Le Vines recent attacks on me on another site. People who believe that would be correct. I consider those attacks lies. I have been waiting for an open, deserved, and public apology only to hear silence. Le Vine and I had been friends and he knows darn well that I have worked with him and supported him in many ways. A wonderful example of that was another time when he put his foot in his mouth on an Internet site, this one.
Outside interests took issue with statements he wrote on this site. They came from north Jersey and New York to protest our town. I backed him up and also pushed the theory that his words were not the real reason for the ensuing onslaught of outside interests who packed our town hall. I believed and supported the notion that those outside interest were there to degrade needed safety regulations pertaining to the rentals in town. He knows that I played a big role in getting people to that meeting for the purpose of backing him, the council and our town. His words became a liability when we saw the governing body capitulate to most, if not all, of the demands of those outside interests. When the governing body was questioned about that by residents of the town, those residents were met with hostility and silence. Le Vine himself degraded some of these very people. Even after that, I remained loyal and helped Le Vine out in many ways. He knows it. I have helped in the formation of town committees, written favorable letters to the papers, and offered ample ideas and advice to him on a variety of topics.
Since that time, Le vine has worked with those very outside interests who have a long record of hostility to our town. It makes no sense for him or any other to sanction, condone, or empower those outside interests who could care less about Freehold.
He owes me that apology. That is what a man of character and integrity would do. I have often said that the people who serve us are our friends and neighbors. Le Vine is not acting like either as he pushes aside friendship and service for his political gain and ego. This town is too small for a councilperson who engages in that conduct. We need unity in our community and he has failed to deliver that.
For the above reasons, I ask that the people of Freehold Borough withhold their vote for Marc Le Vine.
If you are a person who will not vote for the GOP, please submit one single bullet vote for Sharon Shutzer. She is a classy lady and this writing is not directed at her or the rest of the council.
Send a message that bad behavior will not be tolerated and we will hold elected officials accountable.
Freehold Borough is a good town with great people. We deserve better.
Vote Le Vine out.
Brian Sullivan
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Post by admin on Nov 2, 2009 20:33:28 GMT -5
Without question, long time readers will realize right away that this post is way out of character for me. I never have discussed who to vote for and my opinions have always been issue to issue. The above post was necessary. This will not be a change in the site as a whole.
Readers should recognize that no other council member is mentioned in a bad light, just this one. This does not sum up my beliefs of the whole council. I still hold some of them such as Sharon Shutzer and Jaye Sims in high regard.
I also realize that some will try to use this as an example that this is a GOP site. Long time readers know better. The site is and always will be open to all the residents of our town who wish to engage in civil dialog. If 100 Le Vine supporters sign up, that will be the flavor of the site.
This post also does not change the direction this site is going in. It is still a community site where all are welcome. Contrary to claims that council bashing is what this site is about, we will continue to post many positive things about the council as we always have. And of course, there are all the other great and positive topics about our town to talk about. All of it will continue.
Le Vine has earned this post in abundance. This post will be sent out to every web site an sent via email to as many people as possible,. I invite readers to do the same.
The reality is, he will probably win. Not on his merits, but because of the D next to his name. Some have marched on our borough hall in protest of him while carrying foreign flags. I will be marching across cyberspace and asking as many as possible to join me.
Le vine must go.
Brian
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Post by dfx on Nov 2, 2009 21:55:55 GMT -5
Admin -
I thought you just posted the other day how you were impartial?
Is there anything else you can pin on Mr. LeVine? Are we to believe it's his fault that we've become a magnet for immigrants - and not the small business owners who are increasingly taking advantage of this cheap labor pool? It's his fault that our schools are overcrowded - and not the State's (or to a greater extent the Federal Government's) fault for not providing us with the needed funds to expand our services? It's his fault that some home owners have decided to take advantage of the current situation and chosen to act in such an unscrupulous manor? It's his fault that our downtown has "stagnated" - and not the result of a depressed national economy which has affected multiple downtown areas (i.e. Red Bank) across the state?
Now if you have personal issues with Mr. LeVine, that's one thing. But to hold him accountable for aspects of our town that are beyond his control is just plain ludicrous and makes your posting appear as sour grapes. If you have a legitimate concern, by all means post it. However I fear your posting above undermines much of the legitimacy you've worked to establish as a "neutral" party...
dfx
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Post by dfx on Nov 2, 2009 22:24:50 GMT -5
Admin -
One more thing: I just noticed that you posted (on another section of this site) a story about a group of rental landlords who are in the process of organizing/mobilizing against the increasingly stringent methods the town is trying to implement to discourage system abuses. You then go on to state that you applaud the efforts and recognize that this is an uphill battle.
However isn't inactivity on this front one of the things you're blaming Mr. LeVine for???
dfx
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Post by ekeller on Nov 2, 2009 23:30:55 GMT -5
Admin
I normally would not get involved in discussions that are mainly "finger pointing" and "verbal attacks" on a good man's character and doubting his dedication to Freehold Borough. I have had the privilege to have known Marc Levine for a few years now. Because of people like Marc Levine is the reason I am proud to call Freehold Borough home. Bearing witness to his dedication to Freehold Borough and his love for this town is the reason why my wife and I moved here and are raising our daughter here. This town has elected leaders and residents who honestly care for and are proud of the Borough, and I believe Marc is one of those leaders. It is easy to blame someone for all the problems of Freehold Borough and demand they be cast out of office. It's harder to do something about the problems we face in town, and to put in a honest effort to solve them. Giving our elected officials suggestions and share ideas with them would be a better method then a "sour grapes" approach.
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Post by Mike Rosseel on Nov 2, 2009 23:52:29 GMT -5
Brian Sullivan I am outraged! You are the biggest backstabber and liar i have ever seen on here, you want to talk about true colors, well my friend you have certainly showed yours! You have lied to people for a long time on this site as to your fair and bi-partisan ways. What you have done in this post is an embarasshment! I can cleary see, you like your new best friend Ted Miller are nothing but cancers in freehold boro. You had told me face to face that you would never come on here and trash any local politican, as i now see your a liar! How dare you call anyone to not vote for Marc? Brian i ask you this, who do you think you are? Do you really believe that this FV site holds any barring to the thought process of freehold voters? No one will take you serious! You have become exactly what you once said you hated! You and ted need to get out of freehold, both of your egos have done nothing but bring this town down over the last few months! You have ZERO credibilty! You are a liar, a back stabber and an internet troll like your buddy Ted Miller!
Brian, you are a sad example of a true freeholder! You think your Mr Freehold but your a spineless troll who hides behind a screen and a keyboard. I will not rest until you either resign or are removed from EVERY committee your have your hand in in our town! I knew you couldnt be trusted, just like everyone in town knows ted cant be trusted.
Marc has served this town for many years. I may not have always supported what he has done or agreed with it but he is a politican that cares for this town! He spends hours away from his family to try to better freehold. Your lies and accusations all seem to me to be ways for you to stroke your broken ego because everyone in town is talking about you dirty ways of handleing things! You have embarasshed anyone who comes on this board and comments!
Finally, i ask you this brian. Be a man and walk your lying ass down to the democrates with miller and newman tommorow when they concede the election! Enjoy that walk of shame because you are nothing more then a puppet to ted miller! You should be as shamed!
Mike Rosseel
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Post by admin on Nov 3, 2009 6:02:53 GMT -5
ekeller, dfx, and Freeholdboy,
There is little sense in me addressing each of your posts. Most of the answers I have are already found in my first two posts. AS I mentioned, this thread is very out of character for me and long time readers will realize that. It will not become the new direction, at least for me. I will continue to opine as I always do. At times that means I will compliment the governing body and Le Vine when I agree with them. Quite often, that has been the case and I find it odd that so many over look that and the other positive things that are posted about the governing body.
Ekeller, it is a shame it took a post like this to finally get you to post! I hope you and dfx continue, regardless of your views. Both of you show how to disagree in a civil way and that is always respected and welcome.
I will end this on one thought. Le Vine came after me. He did so in an unprovoked manner, at least unprovoked by me. I did nothing to him to warrant the public attack he leveled at me. He started down this road and has to live with it. In my last private communication to him, I called him a coward and a liar. I stand by those statements I made to him.
Believe me when I say, I am very sorry that things went in this direction. But, Marc asked for it. If he can't take the heat, he should have kept his mouth shut.
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Post by lisa on Nov 3, 2009 6:08:41 GMT -5
I consider myself a newbie to this town. I have lived here for over 12 years, but have lived in Monmouth county pretty much my entire life, I've lived in Keyport, Red Bank, Long branch and Matawan. My husband and I purchased our house here for a very simple reason. I love the small town life. The closeness that it offers, and in the case of Freehold the diversity of people. What I can say about Freehold past my basic love of it, Is that since I moved here the one thing that has consistently bothered me is the influx of illegal immigrants. I see it getting worse and worse every single day. I see a beautiful town that’s being taken over by an attitude that definitely does not preserve what Freehold boro is and what it should be. I walk through town lately and feel almost like I'm walking through a foreign country. I see very few white faces anymore. Now don't misunderstand and remember I moved here because I love diversity in people. I love experiencing and knowing people from different cultures and backgrounds, always have always will. When I moved here that’s what it was. It is not anymore. All I see now are Hispanics. I have no problem with that race of people In fact I happen to be married to a South American man. A man who is articulate in his speech has pride in himself and a man that would give a stranger the shirt off his back if they needed it. But I don't see the same thing in the overwhelming influx of people in Freehold. What I do see is as I drive though my town, are people on the street looking at me with contempt. I don't know what I did to deserve this from these Hispanic faces but it is what it is. All I can add to this post is something does need to change. It was not like this or this bad when I first moved here. I never felt like a stranger in my own town. Freehold boro residents were always friendly people in my eyes, something is changing and I don't like it.
I consider myself a very open minded person, one who is very accepting of other people. So when I see that look of contempt it doesn’t feel good to know I live here amongst this. When I see Freehold boro Police being accuse of racial profiling I wonder to myself, how can this be? I know the police in Freehold, and have actually enjoyed the knowledge that I think we have an outstanding, efficient, very professional group of people protecting our town. When it’s even allowed that an outside group of people attack them for any reason, I can’t help but wonder how does this even happen? I think something really needs to change. I mentioned I lived in Red bank, for over 10 years in fact. My husband and I were actually looking for a house in Red bank when we moved here. You can’t compare the two towns any longer. Red Bank has the diversity I speak of. A mixture of cultures that works! I unfortunately can’t say the same in Freehold. When I walk into my own bank downtown to make a deposit, and feel like I’m in Little Havana I don’t think it’s a great reflection on Freehold boro. Jeese I was the only white person in that bank. Boy did I feel out of place when I looked around. That was the first time in my life I’ve ever felt that way. That was not the diversity I look for. Something needs to change.
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Post by Mike Rosseel on Nov 3, 2009 7:59:41 GMT -5
Brian can try to spin this anyway he wants, simple fact, this is sour grapes! Brian, Marc made you! Marc gave you a chance to help our town and this is how you repay him. I know about your last communication with Marc and you sir certainly didnt call him a coward or anything! Like the desperate man-child you are you called him asking for him to apologize to you, how old are you 5? You told him if he apologized now it would be over and you could play nice again? Was that before or after you traded your peanut butter and jelly sandwich with him for his ham and cheese? Seriously brian grow up!
You have every right to have an opinion if its based on facts! Any reader who has graduated 1st grade can see you are sad and trying to take your final shot at Marc, another shot like the BS debate you and miller tried to come up with! Is Marc not talking to you making you sad Bri Guy? Maybe you should tell the teacher and he will not be able to go out at recess today~
And i have 20 bucks that says that above post is just another Ted Miller screen name on here! both you loser go down tonight! FV is worse then topix!
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Post by lisas84 on Nov 3, 2009 8:12:32 GMT -5
Oh, Brian! I so wish you had not done this. This is called collateral damage because you and Marc have become such good friends of mine. Marc and his lovely family have become an extension of my own. And you and Kelly have become really good friends to me too. This hurts me because I really wanted you and Marc eventually to be able to patch up and become at least cordial again.
Brian, I do understand you felt personally slighted. But I would have strongly implored you to work it out one on one with Marc. Even if you both had to curse, yell, scream, throw a plate across the room! I so wish you didn't take this to the internets. You and Marc had enjoyed a really nice friendship for a long time, and you both enjoyed hearty friendly debates on some key issues where you both had different points of views and belief systems. I know Marc really enjoyed his conversations with you through the past few years. He had so much respect for you and you both had a kindred interest in bettering the town.
I was hoping that there would be a day when you two could have patched things up to a degree. But I really fear that with these postings that will never happen. And that saddens me deeply.
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Post by richardkelsey on Nov 3, 2009 8:26:08 GMT -5
Brian Sullivan I am outraged! You are the biggest backstabber and liar i have ever seen on here, you want to talk about true colors, well my friend you have certainly showed yours! You have lied to people for a long time on this site as to your fair and bi-partisan ways. What you have done in this post is an embarasshment! I can cleary see, you like your new best friend Ted Miller are nothing but cancers in freehold boro. You had told me face to face that you would never come on here and trash any local politican, as i now see your a liar! How dare you call anyone to not vote for Marc? Brian i ask you this, who do you think you are? Do you really believe that this FV site holds any barring to the thought process of freehold voters? No one will take you serious! You have become exactly what you once said you hated! You and ted need to get out of freehold, both of your egos have done nothing but bring this town down over the last few months! You have ZERO credibilty! You are a liar, a back stabber and an internet troll like your buddy Ted Miller! Brian, you are a sad example of a true freeholder! You think your Mr Freehold but your a spineless troll who hides behind a screen and a keyboard. I will not rest until you either resign or are removed from EVERY committee your have your hand in in our town! I knew you couldnt be trusted, just like everyone in town knows ted cant be trusted. Marc has served this town for many years. I may not have always supported what he has done or agreed with it but he is a politican that cares for this town! He spends hours away from his family to try to better freehold. Your lies and accusations all seem to me to be ways for you to stroke your broken ego because everyone in town is talking about you dirty ways of handleing things! You have embarasshed anyone who comes on this board and comments! Finally, i ask you this brian. Be a man and walk your lying ass down to the democrates with miller and newman tommorow when they concede the election! Enjoy that walk of shame because you are nothing more then a puppet to ted miller! You should be as shamed! Mike Rosseel Mike -- please refrain ad homonym personal attacks - they are prohibited by the rules of the site. Given the heat of the battle and emotion -- they happen from time to time. However, lines like "your lying ass" are not permitted on the site. |
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Post by Mike Rosseel on Nov 3, 2009 8:48:44 GMT -5
Rich a line like "your lying ass" isnt exceptable but a personal attack with no facts is exceptable? Its ok for brian to used this site as a tool to discourage people from voting for a particular canidate but for me to use that term in a passionate response isnt? Then remove me from this site!
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Post by richardkelsey on Nov 3, 2009 8:51:36 GMT -5
I am writing this addressing the readers of the web site that I am the administrator of, the Freehold Voice. Once posted there, I am sending this out to every web site and email address where Freehold Borough voters may see it. I ask people to copy, paste and send this to every Freehold voter you know. In past years, I have never discussed my vote for the local governing body election, nor have I ever publicly endorsed any local candidate for office on the site. My goal with the Freehold Voice has been to get the best possible information to the site and interest readers enough to get out and vote. Apathy is the worst thing for any of us. This year, I am changing from past practices. Though short of an endorsement of any candidate, I am asking people to withhold a vote for candidate and incumbent councilman Marc Le Vine. I do so for several reasons. Among them are: that he has had enough time to effect change, failed us, and has been a liability. He is also a very different person than when he was first appointed back onto council by the Mayor. He has also chosen politics and political gain over friendship and service. When I think of the leadership we need in Freehold Borough, I think of Ronald Reagan. Not because of his party or any specific action he took, but because of two things he is well remembered for. Reagan was an eternal optimist about America. Beyond that, he also had the guts to face down our worst enemy. Reagan stared right at the Berlin wall and screamed " tear down this wall!" He also followed through and ensured not only our freedoms, but freedom for people all over the world. Like Reagan, Le Vine is an optimist. However, he has failed in addressing our own Berlin walls in our town. Le Vine has opted for rose colored glasses and refuses to acknowledge that our town has problems that need to be addressed in an aggressive way. Before he was appointed, he did address some of our problems in an aggressive way. His appointment was one of hope for the many people in Freehold who hold real and legitimate concerns. When facing our problems, Le Vine has adopted a "wait and see" approach. That is a failing strategy and dangerous for our town. Under his watch we have waited and seen as entire blocks were turned into rental areas, including some of the towns most beautiful and historic homes. We have waited and seen as crime has remained high. We have waited and seen as our schools became overcrowded. We have waited and seen as outside special interests have paralyzed our town and dug in with a firm grip. We have waited and seen as landlords have now united. Considering the track record of the past, there is no reason to believe that Le Vine will be able to handle them well. We have waited and seen as other downtowns prospered while ours stagnated. ( outside the of restaurant industry) So much for the guy who was willing to look at our problems dead in the eye. Instead, Le Vine has looked at community based activities as our solutions, While those are great things with tremendous value, but we need far more from a councilperson, Le Vine will do well as an appointee to municipal committees so that he may continue those endeavors. We need someone who will not wait two years to created the rental board when so desperately needed. Some people may accuse me of writing this as a carry over from Le Vines recent attacks on me on another site. People who believe that would be correct. I consider those attacks lies. I have been waiting for an open, deserved, and public apology only to hear silence. Le Vine and I had been friends and he knows darn well that I have worked with him and supported him in many ways. A wonderful example of that was another time when he put his foot in his mouth on an Internet site, this one. Outside interests took issue with statements he wrote on this site. They came from north Jersey and New York to protest our town. I backed him up and also pushed the theory that his words were not the real reason for the ensuing onslaught of outside interests who packed our town hall. I believed and supported the notion that those outside interest were there to degrade needed safety regulations pertaining to the rentals in town. He knows that I played a big role in getting people to that meeting for the purpose of backing him, the council and our town. His words became a liability when we saw the governing body capitulate to most, if not all, of the demands of those outside interests. When the governing body was questioned about that by residents of the town, those residents were met with hostility and silence. Le Vine himself degraded some of these very people. Even after that, I remained loyal and helped Le Vine out in many ways. He knows it. I have helped in the formation of town committees, written favorable letters to the papers, and offered ample ideas and advice to him on a variety of topics. Since that time, Le vine has worked with those very outside interests who have a long record of hostility to our town. It makes no sense for him or any other to sanction, condone, or empower those outside interests who could care less about Freehold. He owes me that apology. That is what a man of character and integrity would do. I have often said that the people who serve us are our friends and neighbors. Le Vine is not acting like either as he pushes aside friendship and service for his political gain and ego. This town is too small for a councilperson who engages in that conduct. We need unity in our community and he has failed to deliver that. For the above reasons, I ask that the people of Freehold Borough withhold their vote for Marc Le Vine. If you are a person who will not vote for the GOP, please submit one single bullet vote for Sharon Shutzer. She is a classy lady and this writing is not directed at her or the rest of the council. Send a message that bad behavior will not be tolerated and we will hold elected officials accountable. Freehold Borough is a good town with great people. We deserve better. Vote Le Vine out. Brian Sullivan Funny thing is -- I thought you were actually being somewhat nice about the whole thing, given the complete history! LOL It appears Brian -- that everyone in Freehold is entitled to their opinion -- no matter what it is -- and entitled to put it on your site -- except you. Find the logic in that. Marc's false allegations and blatant disregard for the truth in his self-serving, politically motivated post on the other website certainly give rise to your right to seek redress. Obviously, Marc is less interested in facts and friends than he is in getting elected, at any price. This should not be a surprise for people. Marc was a republican when it served him. He was a PEOPLE founder when it served him. He tried to distance himself from PEOPLE when it served him. He became an independent when it served him. He became a democrat when it served him. He was a critic of Mike Wilson when it served him, and he is now a wholly owned, bought and paid for tool of Mike as it serves him. He was anti-illegal immigration when it served him. Then, he was playing footsie with the pro-illegal immigration group when it served him. He used this Board -- daily -- when it served him. When he couldn't control it, he dumped it and worked full time to push people from it. Those are facts -- not opinion. People like Brian stuck with Marc through every change in spots. Unfortunately, in my experience, once a person sells his or her soul for political gain and self-interest at the expense of others, he or she is willing to do it again, and again, and again. Each time the price gets cheaper and the selling easier. Soon, he or she doesn't even think it is selling out. Brian -- you got thrown under the bus pal. That's why it hurts. You stuck with Marc through it all, worked with him, and tried to bring him home believing your personal efforts and friendship would not be sold for a part-time job as a council-person in a tiny town. You simply didn't look at the history. In Marc's darkest moment -- when his own words put him under pressure to resign and brought outsider protesters to this town, who was with him? You. You and countless others. But, the problem is, as you now know, if you aren't with him on everything, then he is not with you. His service is to self and party -- whichever one best suits him at the time. Now -- this election smells tough. It is an anti-incumbent election. Dems are nervous everywhere. The word I hear is that extends down to Freehold dems who have a tough person to carry in Corizine at the top of the ticket. They are facing a coordinated, systematic, well run campaign from an organization that is apparently getting new legs in Freehold. So, holding an iron grip on power -- such as it is -- they are facing what they think is the first real test. They ducked a debate and attacked its organizers. They are panicked. In that panic, they do what has been the hallmark of the machine -- they attack. Do I think they are in real jeopardy of losing. No. I can count. But when one is on the inside thinking about a possible loss of an almost sure thing -- perspectives get screwed up. So, Marc did what Marc has always done. He threw you under the bus. It was much easier than you think. His colleagues hate the site, they want it dead, and they have been chewing at him about you. Then, you had the nerve, the temerity to work with a bi-partisan group to bring a fair, open, honest debate to Freehold. In other words, you wanted to make Marc work for his job. That my friend, was the last straw for Marc with respect to you. Now -- you have a handful of partisans coming out and attacking you for stating your opinion on your site. Well -- tough. Everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion. The facts used will allow objective readers to decide on the merits of your opinion. Others don't care about the facts. That's politics -- even at the tiny Freehold Borough level. As for your role as admin -- or mine as moderator. We are required to treat people fairly and enforce the rules. Nothing says we cannot have our own opinions. I am simply unaware of any site that has such restrictions. I am sorry if people confuse our roles with that solely of people here to allow others to express opinions. |
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Post by Mike Rosseel on Nov 3, 2009 9:02:55 GMT -5
Rich you have 2 errors in your above post!
1. Brian is entitled to his opinion. It just doesnt seem like he's a man of his word. two days ago he sat on his high horse and said he "never" talks about his voting or support on local elections and he just did! That my friend makes him a liar!
2. There is no partisan attack. I am a registered Republican. Go research my voting record. I support Christie, O'scanlon and casagrande. Please dont put lies into peoples head. I cant wait to come on here and let you know that freehold spoke loud and clear and it isnt for a well run campaign like you say is going on! Rich your far from freehold and you hardly have your finger on the pulse here. The TRUE FREEHOLD VOICE WILL SPEAK TODAY! and guess what it isnt for miller and newman!
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Nov 3, 2009 10:11:07 GMT -5
...I am a registered Republican. Go research my voting record. I support Christie, O'scanlon and casagrande. Please dont put lies into peoples head. According to the other republican Campaigns Mike R. has not lifted a finger to help Chris, Declan, Caroline or John at all. SO while many Borough Republicans (and Democrats too) have enlisted their help door knocking or spending time at the phone banks..., where has Mike R. been these last three months supporting the all important County and State candidates Mike R. has talked about? ANYWAY... Please stop by Southgate Manor tonight Mike R., to help celibate which ever republican victory you care to identify with. Your more than welcomed to attend, as my guest, to the Monmouth County Republican Party, party! |
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Post by Mike Rosseel on Nov 3, 2009 11:42:29 GMT -5
Ted,what's a matter after your no success free dinner you realized you couldnt have your own party because no one would show up? Ted just a small FYI for you, I never said i worked on any campaign, as a matter of fact the only campaign i focused on was the local race which ment the most to me. Today was the first time i even referenced the county or state race in NJ. I have supported county and state and presidental GOP canidates for my entire voting career, look into it! You have no substance in your above attack but nice try!
Ted you have been nothing but a laughable opponent for this local race. You have attacked myself and my family, you have attacked Marc and his family, do you really think this is the proper way to run an election campaign. Laugh it up now Ted, Enjoy your night, enjoy rubbing elbows with successful GOP members tonight. I think when the county chair sees the emails you sent me months ago with nasty terms used against local politicans they may see you in the true light of who you are!
fiber may be good for you but ted miller isnt good for freehold!
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Post by Mike Rosseel on Nov 3, 2009 12:03:48 GMT -5
Also Ted, i dont need to be your guest. I can go to the county anytime i want to! I ahve been going there since i was 10 years old, you really need to get your facts straight. please let me know these county people you have spoken too that have something to say about my involvement or record, would love to respectfully chat with them! How you going to feel as the only LOSER at the campaign party tonight. Best of luck and support to O'Scanlon and Casagrande, Curry, and our next governor, Chris Christie!!!!
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Post by lisa on Nov 3, 2009 12:51:09 GMT -5
Freeholdboy:
Sir I honestly hope someone took that bet from you, because if so you just lost 20 Bucks. So sorry to disappoint you but in all actuality I am a registered Democrat. I have never met Ted Miller. I can say I do know what he looks like but that’s about all I can claim. In the future just so you know? My opinions in here are completely my own. I say what I think and think what I say. I don’t think I’ve ever been known to harbor anyone’s agenda but my own. I will also say that I have not been posting to this board very long, and really haven’t even had the time to get to know too many people in here personally. My thoughts and feelings are completely for this town and nothing else.
I will ask you something though. I would really appreciate it if in the future you would refrain from accusing me of something I’m not. Personally I find that extremely offensive.
You might take a lesson, I do love seeing other people’s opinions in here, and in fact I actually enjoy it. I may not agree with all of them, but I do try to give people the simple basic respect they deserve as human beings when I do disagree, whether online or off!!!!! I have learned by listening to new views and opinions you can learn things you may never have seen otherwise. If you close your mind to that it’s just sad! Accusing people of things is just a waste of time. Both yours and mine. So again please refrain, you don’t know me. The person your complaining about so much in here does know me. IN PERSON! So if you choose not to believe my words ask Brian who I am.
Actually I don’t even agree with him all the time either, But I do believe he’s an honest person with his own personal opinions. Which I respect him for!!!!!!!!
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Post by Mike Rosseel on Nov 3, 2009 13:44:03 GMT -5
Lisa ted "may have" used that name on another site, if you arent ted like you say, i stand corrected!
RICH,
Wheres the facts in Brians statement, thought you were deleting all post without facts? come on rich. play fair!
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Post by richardkelsey on Nov 3, 2009 14:53:50 GMT -5
Lisa ted "may have" used that name on another site, if you arent ted like you say, i stand corrected! RICH, Wheres the facts in Brians statement, thought you were deleting all post without facts? come on rich. play fair! Again - you ignore the plain facts of my writing. I am not going back and deleting posts before my warning. If I did, I would not delete Brian's for the reason's now set fourth by me on three separate threads. You have not produced any facts subject to public scrutiny. Brian has. In fact, not even all of Brian's conclusions are bad about Mr. Levine. Let me show you the difference between your post and his: Brian's facts: (In bold) In past years, I have never discussed my vote for the local governing body election, nor have I ever publicly endorsed any local candidate for office on the site. My goal with the Freehold Voice has been to get the best possible information to the site and interest readers enough to get out and vote. Apathy is the worst thing for any of us. This year, I am changing from past practices. Though short of an endorsement of any candidate, I am asking people to withhold a vote for candidate and incumbent councilman Marc Le Vine. I do so for several reasons. Among them are: that he has had enough time to effect change, failed us, and has been a liability. He is also a very different person than when he was first appointed back onto council by the Mayor. He has also chosen politics and political gain over friendship and service. (RK comment -- these are conclusions based on facts) When I think of the leadership we need in Freehold Borough, I think of Ronald Reagan. Not because of his party or any specific action he took, but because of two things he is well remembered for. Reagan was an eternal optimist about America. Beyond that, he also had the guts to face down our worst enemy. Reagan stared right at the Berlin wall and screamed " tear down this wall!" He also followed through and ensured not only our freedoms, but freedom for people all over the world. Like Reagan, Le Vine is an optimist. (RK comment I wish I could be personally attacked like that. LOL) However, he has failed in addressing our own Berlin walls in our town. Le Vine has opted for rose colored glasses and refuses to acknowledge that our town has problems that need to be addressed in an aggressive way. Before he was appointed, he did address some of our problems in an aggressive way.(he formed PEOPLE) His appointment was one of hope for the many people in Freehold who hold real and legitimate concerns. When facing our problems, Le Vine has adopted a "wait and see" approach. That is a failing strategy and dangerous for our town. Under his watch we have waited and seen as entire blocks were turned into rental areas, including some of the towns most beautiful and historic homes. We have waited and seen as crime has remained high. We have waited and seen as our schools became overcrowded. We have waited and seen as outside special interests have paralyzed our town and dug in with a firm grip. We have waited and seen as landlords have now united. Considering the track record of the past, there is no reason to believe that Le Vine will be able to handle them well. We have waited and seen as other downtowns prospered while ours stagnated. ( outside the of restaurant industry) So much for the guy who was willing to look at our problems dead in the eye. Instead, Le Vine has looked at community based activities as our solutions, While those are great things with tremendous value, but we need far more from a councilperson, Le Vine will do well as an appointee to municipal committees so that he may continue those endeavors. We need someone who will not wait two years to created the rental board when so desperately needed. Some people may accuse me of writing this as a carry over from Le Vines recent attacks on me on another site. People who believe that would be correct. I consider those attacks lies. I have been waiting for an open, deserved, and public apology only to hear silence. Le Vine and I had been friends and he knows darn well that I have worked with him and supported him in many ways. A wonderful example of that was another time when he put his foot in his mouth on an Internet site, this one. Outside interests took issue with statements he wrote on this site. They came from north Jersey and New York to protest our town. I backed him up and also pushed the theory that his words were not the real reason for the ensuing onslaught of outside interests who packed our town hall. I believed and supported the notion that those outside interest were there to degrade needed safety regulations pertaining to the rentals in town. He knows that I played a big role in getting people to that meeting for the purpose of backing him, the council and our town. His words became a liability when we saw the governing body capitulate to most, if not all, of the demands of those outside interests. When the governing body was questioned about that by residents of the town, those residents were met with hostility and silence. Le Vine himself degraded some of these very people. Even after that, I remained loyal and helped Le Vine out in many ways. He knows it. I have helped in the formation of town committees, written favorable letters to the papers, and offered ample ideas and advice to him on a variety of topics. Since that time, Le vine has worked with those very outside interests who have a long record of hostility to our town. It makes no sense for him or any other to sanction, condone, or empower those outside interests who could care less about Freehold. He owes me that apology. That is what a man of character and integrity would do. I have often said that the people who serve us are our friends and neighbors. Le Vine is not acting like either as he pushes aside friendship and service for his political gain and ego. This town is too small for a councilperson who engages in that conduct. We need unity in our community and he has failed to deliver that. For the above reasons, I ask that the people of Freehold Borough withhold their vote for Marc Le Vine. (rk edit -- notice how he ties facts to his conclusion) If you are a person who will not vote for the GOP, please submit one single bullet vote for Sharon Shutzer. She is a classy lady and this writing is not directed at her or the rest of the council. Send a message that bad behavior will not be tolerated and we will hold elected officials accountable. Freehold Borough is a good town with great people. We deserve better. Vote Le Vine out. Brian Sullivan Juxtapose Brian's recounting of Marc's record with your bald, naked, private, assertion of wrong-doing by one candidate toward your family. You have given us none of those facts. You even wrote that he said these things on other sites, and you have not cited us to those sites. It is okay not to vote for Mr. Miller. I don't pretend to have any knowledge about Miller and you and anything he has purportedly said. No one does but you. I am not calling you a liar. What I am saying is, we will not allow you to post things you won't or refuse to substantiate. If Mr. Miller had smeared my dad -- I would tell people what he said, when he said it, and to whom. If I wanted to prove it -- I would not only write it down, but I would cite sources. And, if I was going to claim it was done in public on other pages, I would darn sure back all that up. That's what I would do. But you are right -- you don't have to prove a d**n thing to me. But if you want to keep posting the allegation on this site -- you need to post proof to it. Otherwise, we are not going to allow it to be spread. Again, your failure to see the difference between the use of reasonable facts and the drawing of conclusions from those facts, compared to what you have done, is not our problem. It does not afford you the right to post whatever you want -- not on this site anyway. |
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Post by Mike Rosseel on Nov 3, 2009 16:01:00 GMT -5
I believe all your points above is opinion and thoughts of facts. rich, im not going to argue with you. This is your sites, your rules, i respect that. Im done with all of this, FREEHOLD WILL SPEAK TONIGHT! so tommorow when you guys are scrambling to put a spin on how they lost, make sure its factual!
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Post by biker79 on Nov 3, 2009 16:58:48 GMT -5
WOW!!! sounds like a bunch of whiney kids!!! I've lived in FB about 10 years. I have seen some changes in the town. Some for the better, some for the worse. I don't feel that we can blame these changes on any one individual. Marc & Sharon are part of the "system" that has developed over the years. We have a city counsel, a mayor, and various committee's to thank for the changes, good and bad.
Not endorsing any one candidate, I do see problems with the system that need to change. From what I understand, (and please correct me if I am wrong), the members of the counsel, & mayor have been occupying these positions for a long time. I believe we've had the same mayor over 20 years, and many counsel members have been on the counsel for years. I know it takes some time to make effective change once elected to a position, but you've got to admit, individuals get "comfortable". I believe in a balanced system, meaning that no one party should occupy the majority of politics for extended amounts of time . 2 terms is more than enough for elected offices. I don't know Mr. Levine or Ms. Shuster personally, but have they gotten comfortable? No one is exempt from the comfortable status, period. I can't blame each of Freehold's individual problems on either candidate, but on the collective group that makes up our local government. It seems to me that Freehold is controlled by Democrats that occupy their offices for long times. Where's the system of checks and balances? Where is the room for growth, and fresh ideas?
Is local politics just same old thing, day to day? I believe change is necessary for growth and betterment of our hometown. I can't say the candidates have done lousy or stellar jobs, but I can say they need to step aside to let Freehold revitalize and grow.
As for the "mudslinging" that's going on here, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and should not be chastized for it. What makes America so great is that we can voice our opinions openly and freely. Some of you sound like whiney little children, so I suggest you grow up and act like adults. Take your beliefs to the voting booth. Some of us may disagree, but we are all in this together. Personalized attacks should not appear here, just issues and fact.
I, for one, will cast my vote based on facts. We have the incumbents track records to go by, and the "promises" of those challenging.
If you are happy with status quo, and like the direction Freehold has been going, re-elect the incumbents. If you want fresh ideas, vote the challengers.
We are all neighbors of each other, and should want whats best for our town. Calling people "cancers" or "losers" is childish. Please grow up!!!!!
Good Luck to ALL candidates,and if any read this, and do get elected, please consider that you represent Freehold and its residents. You work FOR US, we do not work for you. This is your hometown, Please, I urge you, to do whats best for us all. Listen to the residents of Freehold, not outside groups of special interest. Lots of these people bending your ears are non-residents, or temporary residents here to set examples & precedents, or make a couple of bucks to send somewhere else. Real issues such as our taxes, crime, schooling, kids programs, etc... is what you are there for. Not making deals with landlords who are non-residents, or minority groups from out of town. Please make Freehold residents your number one priority in all your decisions. I think Freehold is a pretty nice place to live and raise a family, and I want to see it stay that way. Address the issues that face us day to day such as traffic, parking, crime, taxes, parks, childrens activities, etc.... Lets not loose sight of what the job of the mayor and counsel is...
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Post by admin on Nov 3, 2009 17:01:37 GMT -5
WOW!!! sounds like a bunch of whiney kids!!! I've lived in FB about 10 years. I have seen some changes in the town. Some for the better, some for the worse. I don't feel that we can blame these changes on any one individual. Marc & Sharon are part of the "system" that has developed over the years. We have a city counsel, a mayor, and various committee's to thank for the changes, good and bad. Not endorsing any one candidate, I do see problems with the system that need to change. From what I understand, (and please correct me if I am wrong), the members of the counsel, & mayor have been occupying these positions for a long time. I believe we've had the same mayor over 20 years, and many counsel members have been on the counsel for years. I know it takes some time to make effective change once elected to a position, but you've got to admit, individuals get "comfortable". I believe in a balanced system, meaning that no one party should occupy the majority of politics for extended amounts of time . 2 terms is more than enough for elected offices. I don't know Mr. Levine or Ms. Shuster personally, but have they gotten comfortable? No one is exempt from the comfortable status, period. I can't blame each of Freehold's individual problems on either candidate, but on the collective group that makes up our local government. It seems to me that Freehold is controlled by Democrats that occupy their offices for long times. Where's the system of checks and balances? Where is the room for growth, and fresh ideas? Is local politics just same old thing, day to day? I believe change is necessary for growth and betterment of our hometown. I can't say the candidates have done lousy or stellar jobs, but I can say they need to step aside to let Freehold revitalize and grow. As for the "mudslinging" that's going on here, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and should not be chastized for it. What makes America so great is that we can voice our opinions openly and freely. Some of you sound like whiney little children, so I suggest you grow up and act like adults. Take your beliefs to the voting booth. Some of us may disagree, but we are all in this together. Personalized attacks should not appear here, just issues and fact. I, for one, will cast my vote based on facts. We have the incumbents track records to go by, and the "promises" of those challenging. If you are happy with status quo, and like the direction Freehold has been going, re-elect the incumbents. If you want fresh ideas, vote the challengers. We are all neighbors of each other, and should want whats best for our town. Calling people "cancers" or "losers" is childish. Please grow up!!!!! Good Luck to ALL candidates,and if any read this, and do get elected, please consider that you represent Freehold and its residents. You work FOR US, we do not work for you. This is your hometown, Please, I urge you, to do whats best for us all. Listen to the residents of Freehold, not outside groups of special interest. Lots of these people bending your ears are non-residents, or temporary residents here to set examples & precedents, or make a couple of bucks to send somewhere else. Real issues such as our taxes, crime, schooling, kids programs, etc... is what you are there for. Not making deals with landlords who are non-residents, or minority groups from out of town. Please make Freehold residents your number one priority in all your decisions. I think Freehold is a pretty nice place to live and raise a family, and I want to see it stay that way. Address the issues that face us day to day such as traffic, parking, crime, taxes, parks, childrens activities, etc.... Lets not loose sight of what the job of the mayor and counsel is... Terrific first post! Well said and welome to the site. |
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Post by admin on Nov 3, 2009 17:03:59 GMT -5
Freeholdboy: Sir I honestly hope someone took that bet from you, because if so you just lost 20 Bucks. So sorry to disappoint you but in all actuality I am a registered Democrat. I have never met Ted Miller. I can say I do know what he looks like but that’s about all I can claim. In the future just so you know? My opinions in here are completely my own. I say what I think and think what I say. I don’t think I’ve ever been known to harbor anyone’s agenda but my own. I will also say that I have not been posting to this board very long, and really haven’t even had the time to get to know too many people in here personally. My thoughts and feelings are completely for this town and nothing else. I will ask you something though. I would really appreciate it if in the future you would refrain from accusing me of something I’m not. Personally I find that extremely offensive. You might take a lesson, I do love seeing other people’s opinions in here, and in fact I actually enjoy it. I may not agree with all of them, but I do try to give people the simple basic respect they deserve as human beings when I do disagree, whether online or off!!!!! I have learned by listening to new views and opinions you can learn things you may never have seen otherwise. If you close your mind to that it’s just sad! Accusing people of things is just a waste of time. Both yours and mine. So again please refrain, you don’t know me. The person your complaining about so much in here does know me. IN PERSON! So if you choose not to believe my words ask Brian who I am. Actually I don’t even agree with him all the time either, But I do believe he’s an honest person with his own personal opinions. Which I respect him for!!!!!!!! I can confirm that Lisa is legit, a Dem, and a very welcome addition to the site. |
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Post by lisa on Nov 3, 2009 17:11:45 GMT -5
Freeholdboy I hope you actually are done with this site. You stand corrected? Gee wizzzzz could you even spare that much?
I have absolutely no idea what other site you may be referring to but this is the only freehold site that I speak in other then Freehold in New Jersey. I have just one other point to make. In your own words ......."that above post is just another Ted Miller screen name on here"?
I can't help but think when someone accuses someone of something, especially when they have no information what so ever on that person their accusations have a tendency of being reflective of the person that makes them.. It's called projecting. I don't know who you are and I really don't care but in case you didn’t read between the lines of my post to you I am EXTREMELY offended. I’m not used to being accused of pretending to be someone else and if you actually knew me you’d understand why. I actually do have a few screen names on different sites like MSN, Facebook and even AOL but ya wanna know the funny part? All of them have my first name in them. I AM FEMALE!!! And again my opinions are always all mine!
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Post by Mike Rosseel on Nov 3, 2009 17:31:10 GMT -5
Hats off to you Lisa. Ted is known for this and has been posting on topix under womens names. I understand your name is your name. I clearly admitted i was wrong, so as far as you being extremely offended, i apologize. Thats the end, im not projecting anything, glad you feel the way you do about this town! And tonight in all its election glory freehold will speak and thats whats wonderful about election day!
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Post by lisa on Nov 3, 2009 19:18:39 GMT -5
freeholdboy Thank-you very much for the apology
very much accepted!!! subject over! Thats all i needed.
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Post by admin on Nov 3, 2009 21:23:50 GMT -5
Hi,
This is Brian's wife. I have only one thing to say to everyone who did not appreciate my husband's post about Marc Le Vine. Brian considered Marc a friend, he did not act as a friend and betrayal must be answered.
Brian's Wife
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Post by lisa on Nov 3, 2009 21:51:01 GMT -5
Freehold Boro has spoken and I think most agreed with brian. I know I did
Congratulations to Councilman elect John Newman and Councilwoman Sharon Shutzer
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Post by admin on Nov 3, 2009 21:58:24 GMT -5
Freehold Boro has spoken and I think most agreed with brian. I know I did Congratulations to Councilman elect John Newman and Councilwoman Sharon Shutzer Thank you for the agreement, Lisa. For the past month have been getting beat on pretty badly. All for trying to do a good thing for our town. I feel a lot better tonight and join you in congratulating John. |
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