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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Sept 12, 2007 6:15:35 GMT -5
newstranscript.gmnews.com/news/2007/0912/Letters/031.htmlGovernments must build on attorney general's directive We are all painfully aware of how Freehold Borough has been victimized by the nationwide illegal immigration problem. Our small town has borne a disproportionate share of this burden for many years. We stand alone between immigrants rights groups advocating for friendlier treatment for the immigrants and many of our residents who call for stricter enforcement of immigration laws and housing codes. Our actions in increasing housing inspections and enforcing no trespassing laws have been disparaged by immigrants advocates while our resident population has de cried what they per ceive to be appease ments to illegal im migrants. This conundrum has brought its share of what seems to be insurmountable challenges. And our calls for assistance and intercession from our state and federal legislative delegations continue to be unheeded. The only sound public policy emanating from our state of federal governments, from a public safety vantage point, comes with the directive issued by New Jersey State Attorney General Anne Milgram. Ms. Milgram has ordered all police jurisdictions to question the citizenship and immigration status of people who are arrested for an indictable crime or for driving while intoxicated and to notify Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) of such persons suspected of being in the country illegally. It's a shame that it took the tragic murder of college students in Newark to propel our leaders into action. Although this policy does not cover misdemeanors, it does provide a process whereby ICE is informed of alleged illegal immigrants who take advantage of our nation's good nature and benefits and commit serious crimes against our society. In the days ahead, I am confident that we will continue to receive direction and guidance from state and county officials so that this policy is enforced with uniformity and efficiency. This is a golden opportunity to review the appropriateness of instituting the much touted federal 287(g) program on a local or regional basis in Monmouth County. This program deputizes local or regional law enforcement personnel after a period of training. Other conditions, including proof that the law enforcement agency can provide a detention facility which meets federal guidelines, must be met. I believe that this program should be operated on a county-wide level because of the significant degree of resources, i.e., jail/detention facility, corrections officers, sheriff 's officers, training, etc. of the county prosecutor's and sheriff's offices. This program could prove to be most beneficial to Freehold and other towns in Monmouth County who share our frustration with the burdens brought about by illegal immigration. There are certainly many more facets of the illegal immigration problem that warrant immediate attention - education funding and reform, overcrowded housing stock, predatory rental practices by absentee landlords, and many others. The attorney general's directive is a great start to addressing these issues. I fervently hope that we do not have to experience another heinous crime against society to awaken our legislators to the urgency of this problem. I appeal to our federal and state leaders to build on the efforts taken by Attorney General Milgram. Now is not the time for a group study hall project. It is the time for bold action to protect our residents and communities. Call me. I am committed to fight to protect our homes, communities and lawful residents. Mayor Michael Wilson Freehold Borough
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Post by admin on Sept 12, 2007 8:07:24 GMT -5
I applaud Freehold Borough for being the first Monmouth County town to seriously discuss 287g. It is long, long over due.
In the above letter, the Mayor clearly shows that there are many parts of the equation in easing the unreasonable burdens that towns such as ours have had to endure.
My only advice to the Mayor is to ignore the illegal alien supporters. They never have and never will show an ounce of respect for our town and the real concerns we have. Those groups have no future in this town if we are to truly move ahead. That is evident in every council meeting when a certain mouth piece for Casa Freehold continually lives in the past and spews nonsense.
Over all, the letter from the Mayor is a good one and it is good to see he used the initiative to take the lead and speak up. I know some participants on this site did not like the Mayor's letter to Comrade Corzine when looking for a place on the Blue Ribbon Sell out panel. But in context with this letter, our Mayor does belong on that Panel. If he is to get in, I hope he will be a very vocal pit bull in highlighting the very real and negative consequences that arise from illegal immigration.
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Sept 12, 2007 9:04:17 GMT -5
Quite eloquent, an excellent letter, in my opinion. I am wondering if this was also sent to larger-circulation news, such as the APP, where it may have further likelihood of being read by higher up NJ government officials. I like the way the T's are dotted and the I's crossed ever so cross! |
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Post by Marc LeVine on Sept 12, 2007 9:21:58 GMT -5
Brian:
Don't say I didn't told you so. I knew all along where the Mayor has been coming from and it's all been about serving the best interests of Freehold Borough.
Sadly, the Mayor has NOT been chosen to serve on the Governor's panel and the realistic and substantial needs of many NJ towns suffering under the burden of Illegal Immigration will never be represented.
Without fair balance, there is certain to be no talk of enhanced enforcements nor offsetting financial subsidies to struggling towns. And, I fear that the term "Illegal" will, not once, be placed ahead of the word Immigration. This, at a table of vastly naive "do-gooders" ignoring federal and state laws, as well as the critical needs of those dealing with the problems faced by towns like Freehold Borough.
There is much more to Illegal Immigration than superficially "making nice" to people, who have violated our laws. There must also be recognized accountabily to our established social systems and demonstrated respect for our nation of laws. These must be considered, first and foremost.
Marc
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Post by richardkelsey on Sept 12, 2007 14:34:50 GMT -5
newstranscript.gmnews.com/news/2007/0912/Letters/031.htmlGovernments must build on attorney general's directive We are all painfully aware of how Freehold Borough has been victimized by the nationwide illegal immigration problem. Our small town has borne a disproportionate share of this burden for many years. We stand alone between immigrants rights groups advocating for friendlier treatment for the immigrants and many of our residents who call for stricter enforcement of immigration laws and housing codes. Our actions in increasing housing inspections and enforcing no trespassing laws have been disparaged by immigrants advocates while our resident population has de cried what they per ceive to be appease ments to illegal im migrants. This conundrum has brought its share of what seems to be insurmountable challenges. And our calls for assistance and intercession from our state and federal legislative delegations continue to be unheeded. The only sound public policy emanating from our state of federal governments, from a public safety vantage point, comes with the directive issued by New Jersey State Attorney General Anne Milgram. Ms. Milgram has ordered all police jurisdictions to question the citizenship and immigration status of people who are arrested for an indictable crime or for driving while intoxicated and to notify Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) of such persons suspected of being in the country illegally. It's a shame that it took the tragic murder of college students in Newark to propel our leaders into action. Although this policy does not cover misdemeanors, it does provide a process whereby ICE is informed of alleged illegal immigrants who take advantage of our nation's good nature and benefits and commit serious crimes against our society. In the days ahead, I am confident that we will continue to receive direction and guidance from state and county officials so that this policy is enforced with uniformity and efficiency. This is a golden opportunity to review the appropriateness of instituting the much touted federal 287(g) program on a local or regional basis in Monmouth County. This program deputizes local or regional law enforcement personnel after a period of training. Other conditions, including proof that the law enforcement agency can provide a detention facility which meets federal guidelines, must be met. I believe that this program should be operated on a county-wide level because of the significant degree of resources, i.e., jail/detention facility, corrections officers, sheriff 's officers, training, etc. of the county prosecutor's and sheriff's offices. This program could prove to be most beneficial to Freehold and other towns in Monmouth County who share our frustration with the burdens brought about by illegal immigration. There are certainly many more facets of the illegal immigration problem that warrant immediate attention - education funding and reform, overcrowded housing stock, predatory rental practices by absentee landlords, and many others. The attorney general's directive is a great start to addressing these issues. I fervently hope that we do not have to experience another heinous crime against society to awaken our legislators to the urgency of this problem. I appeal to our federal and state leaders to build on the efforts taken by Attorney General Milgram. Now is not the time for a group study hall project. It is the time for bold action to protect our residents and communities. Call me. I am committed to fight to protect our homes, communities and lawful residents. Mayor Michael Wilson Freehold Borough That is an excellent letter. |
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Post by richardkelsey on Sept 12, 2007 15:02:03 GMT -5
Well -- here's a fair question. What should the Borough do about its Mayor not being chosen? (notice the non-personalization of vitriol of this question) ;D When and how should this Governor be called to account for a decision to ignore the Borough and speed recklessly, without a safety belt, toward appointing a panel of apologists that will lead to a horrific crash? |
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Post by admin on Sept 13, 2007 17:36:33 GMT -5
The only part of the letter I have a problem with is the following quote.. "We stand alone between immigrants rights groups advocating for friendlier treatment for the immigrants and many of our residents who call for stricter enforcement of immigration laws and housing codes."If I was a member of the governing body, I wouldn't feel like I was in the middle; "between" the 2 groups....I would be on your side. Maybe I am reading too much into that one sentence. Would appreciate your comments. I agree with you, Geo. That is the one sentence, in an otherwise good letter, that jumped out at me in a bad way. Putting aside the real threat of more suits and demonstrations, I would guess the governing body is first and foremost on the side of the good people of our town as opposed to certain fringe groups. I will say the point of "immigrant rights groups advocating for friendlier treatment" is actually a good starting point of what direction things need to go on that issue. Personally I have strong ideas about that concept, but I will not print them here. |
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Sept 13, 2007 20:55:00 GMT -5
"immigrant rights groups advocating for friendlier treatment" ( ) Correction, .... lets not confuse or be fooled by "IMMIGRANTS” and "IMMIGRANT RIGHTS" Groups with Anarchists who USE and LOOT the words of our Constitution and PILLAGE our Bill of Rights. PROTECTIONS THEY DARE NOT TO DEMAND AT HOME!!! A Councilperson (?) recently expressed our challenge clearly, we are being harassed and intimidated by bully, thug, racebaiters who bill their illegalities as a civil right. WRONG!
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Sept 13, 2007 21:10:32 GMT -5
If I was a member of the governing body, I wouldn't feel like I was in the middle; "between" the 2 groups....I would be on your side. Maybe I am reading too much into that one sentence. Would appreciate your comments. Here-Here GEO!! Your not reading too much into this, the words are clear! Maybe a Freudian slip, but clear.. I read the "SETTLEMENT" mentality. Hard lesson to pay, giving a up pinkie and losing your arm. Whats disturbing to most is, it is ALL OUR ARMS, and WE never authorized nor asked if WE were willing to give up our pinkies! |
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Post by richardkelsey on Sept 14, 2007 9:53:34 GMT -5
If I was a member of the governing body, I wouldn't feel like I was in the middle; "between" the 2 groups....I would be on your side. Maybe I am reading too much into that one sentence. Would appreciate your comments. Here-Here GEO!! Your not reading too much into this, the words are clear! Maybe a Freudian slip, but clear.. I read the "SETTLEMENT" mentality. Hard lesson to pay, giving a up pinkie and losing your arm. Whats disturbing to most is, it is ALL OUR ARMS, and WE never authorized nor asked if WE were willing to give up our pinkies! You folks are way too harsh on this Mayor. Vitrol --that's what it is! Must be some personal anger at the man!  |
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Post by Conrad Reams on Sept 14, 2007 13:10:45 GMT -5
I think mayor Wilson's letter strikes a careful balance. He is trying to reach out to all segments of the community. He is not attacking Hispanics per se and he recognizes that they are part of the community.
I think this is a better strategy for the borough and all its people. Mayor Wilson is on the right track.
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Post by Conrad Reams on Sept 14, 2007 13:19:16 GMT -5
One further point about the mayor. A lot of you say he ought to be on "your" side. Who are you? Most of the people on this board represent the xenophobic fringe within the borough.
You do not represent the views of the borough any more than the LLA does. If you did you would have hundreds of posts a day and and have hundreds of members. By last count you have 54 members and only 8-10 regularly post. The idea that you (this board) represents the majority of people in Freehold Borough is absurd. No one except Councilman LeVine posts here. Where is the evidence that your backers number more than a handful?
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Post by richardkelsey on Sept 14, 2007 13:26:18 GMT -5
Most of the people on this board represent the xenophobic fringe within the borough. Tell me who they are? First you say we are no one. Then you say we are only a few -- then you say "most of people on the Board represent the xenophobic fringes." Lots of contradictions -- but let's start with the easy part. Instead of blasting everyone here with a deeply hurtful charge -- why not tell us who the xenophobes are -- and why. We will give you Bergsteiger as your fist choice -- since your other thread already indicates such. |
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Post by admin on Oct 25, 2007 11:16:33 GMT -5
All you knuckleheads were so busy bickering today that you missed this gem in the APP. www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071025/OPINION/710250387/1032Program result will be negative The detention program Freehold's Mayor Michael Wilson is considering for illegal immigrants imposes operational and compliance expenses that would add to the borough and county financial burdens. It is nonsensical to invest in a program that would cost local government more than it costs Immigration and Customs Enforcement. ("Mayor asks for help on illegal immigrants," Sept. 7.) Section 287(g) of the federal Immigration and Nationality Act empowers trained nonfederal police agencies to enforce immigration law. Approval of Freehold's application to do so would drive the immigrant population underground and cause a mistrust of police officers. Criminal offenses would go unreported, and a valuable source of information would be squandered. The Newark murders Wilson references were gang-related and included one undocumented man among six suspects who slipped through our judicial system. To take one gang incident and tie it to immigration is abhorrent. The best solution to the real or perceived problems in Freehold is for Wilson to continue his community outreach in an effort to establish cultural harmony. In a letter to Gov. Corzine, Wilson praised his immigrant constituency and stated his desire to serve on the Governor's Blue Ribbon Panel on Immigration. Wilson wrote, "The influx of immigrants has enriched our town's culture with a group of individuals who have a profound work ethic, strong family and religious values, and have even added new, vibrant businesses to our downtown." These words provide hope that fear and bigotry will not linger over Freehold. I urge Wilson to withdraw his 287g proposal and continue to work with his community and its agencies toward progress and prosperity for Freehold. Angel Matos KEYPORT LATINO LEADERSHIP ALLIANCE OF NEW JERSEY MONMOUTH CHAPTER |
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Oct 25, 2007 11:27:48 GMT -5
Maybe because after reading this, it's not worthy of comment!
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Post by stffgpr2003 on Oct 25, 2007 11:39:48 GMT -5
Obviously, the Attorney General of New Jersey looking at this ALONG WITH other crime data from around the country does not agree. Ergo - her STATEWIDE AG DIRECTIVE, which also affirms the right of counties to apply for 287g status.
In the end, the LLA will not decide what is good for the people of New Jersey and Freehold. The vast majority and their elected representatives WILL.
Was anyone expecting a different kind of response. It's like asking the Campbell Soup company, which brand of soup they prefer. This is a lobby that will object to anything that deals with the issue of illegal immigration - which is a totally separate matter from community relations.
We've been arresting criminals from other religious and ethnic groups in the US, forever. We call them - "Bad Apples." So do the other people of their own race, color or creed. Criminals come in all shapes and sizes and need to be dealt with - not overlooked.
My opinion, of course. Agree? Disagree?
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Oct 25, 2007 11:42:08 GMT -5
Quite eloquent, an excellent letter, in my opinion. I am wondering if this was also sent to larger-circulation news, such as the APP, where it may have further likelihood of being read by higher up NJ government officials. Now is when you chose to chime in? This is a flip flop letter, please!!! The comments below, are based on little knowledge of 287g, which is unfortunate coming from a chief executive! SOOOO, why the turn around? newstranscript.gmnews.com/news/2007/0613/Front_page/002.htmlMayor Michael Wilson said, "At this juncture we are avoiding 287(g) for all the right reasons. I don't think it's the right strategy for our town at this moment."
Wilson said he learned that the program is not designed to randomly and routinely round up illegal immigrants, nor is it designed to address overcrowding and day laborer practices and activities, nor does it allow for immigration sweeps. Who the heck ever said anything about SWEEPS! The context of my statement below was addressing REPEAT OFFENDERS in our Borough!!!! "I don't want to harass anyone," Miller said, "but I don't think we should be harassed either, and I don't want us to be a doormat. Are we at the tipping point? Enough is enough. We all want a first-class quality of life. How do we get this message across?" Although borough officials did not respond to Miller's question at the June 4 meeting, conversations with them in the days after the meeting revealed that they do not think that 287(g) is right for Freehold Borough - at least right now" And I did get ALOT of audiance approval that night! 287g will help keep honest people HONEST, and discourage the bad seed from planting roots in Freehold Borough. BTW... If Borough Hall throughly learned about ALL aspects of 287g they will have had the benefit of knowing that 287g also PROTECTS our Police and Borough Government from another "Activist Lawsuits"! Why would ANYONE object to this, no less a Chief Executive? |
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Post by admin on Oct 25, 2007 11:52:11 GMT -5
Now is when you chose to chime in? This is a flip flop letter, please!!! The comments below, are based on little knowledge of 287g, which is unfortunate coming from a chief executive! SOOOO, why the turn around? newstranscript.gmnews.com/news/2007/0613/Front_page/002.htmlMayor Michael Wilson said, "At this juncture we are avoiding 287(g) for all the right reasons. I don't think it's the right strategy for our town at this moment."
Wilson said he learned that the program is not designed to randomly and routinely round up illegal immigrants, nor is it designed to address overcrowding and day laborer practices and activities, nor does it allow for immigration sweeps. Who the heck ever said anything about SWEEPS. 287g will help keep honest people HONEST, and discorage the bad seed from planting roots in Freehold Borough. Phh and 287g will also PROTECT our Police and Borough Government from another "Activist Lawsuits"! Why would ANYONE object to this, no less a Chief Executive? Quite eloquent, an excellent letter, in my opinion. I am wondering if this was also sent to larger-circulation news, such as the APP, where it may have further likelihood of being read by higher up NJ government officials. Fiber, why are you bringing up the Mayor's letter itself? The topic I posted belonged here because it is a response to that letter. Have you no comment on the LLA letter? |
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Post by cheryl on Oct 25, 2007 12:03:30 GMT -5
Now is when you chose to chime in? This is a flip flop letter, please!!! The comments below, are based on little knowledge of 287g, which is unfortunate coming from a chief executive! SOOOO, why the turn around? newstranscript.gmnews.com/news/2007/0613/Front_page/002.htmlMayor Michael Wilson said, "At this juncture we are avoiding 287(g) for all the right reasons. I don't think it's the right strategy for our town at this moment."
Wilson said he learned that the program is not designed to randomly and routinely round up illegal immigrants, nor is it designed to address overcrowding and day laborer practices and activities, nor does it allow for immigration sweeps. Who the heck ever said anything about SWEEPS. 287g will help keep honest people HONEST, and discorage the bad seed from planting roots in Freehold Borough. Phh and 287g will also PROTECT our Police and Borough Government from another "Activist Lawsuits"! Why would ANYONE object to this, no less a Chief Executive? Fiber, why are you bringing up the Mayor's letter itself? The topic I posted belonged here because it is a response to that letter. Have you no comment on the LLA letter? Perhaps fiber is having some difficulty following the narrative? He did, after all, respond to calliope's post in such a way that suggests it is recent - rather than being six weeks old. Read... comprehend... and then respond. The secret to successful participation in discussions on the intertubes.  |
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Post by stffgpr2003 on Oct 25, 2007 12:04:11 GMT -5
The AG "chimed in" when she thought it was the appropriate time... Fiber, respectfully, you don't own this idea, though it is central to your campaign. A car passed me on the road this morning and we ended up meeting at the very same traffic light...
Things change and situations are re-evaluated. The Newark murders opened lots of eyes, including the new AG's. And, now we have her Directive.
The key point here is the LLA's position. They already know our Mayor's. And, they are not liking it. Doesn't that make you especially happy. By the way - glad you are onboard with us - regardless of when the train actually left the station.
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Oct 25, 2007 12:57:24 GMT -5
The AG "chimed in" when she thought it was the appropriate time... Fiber, respectfully, you don't own this idea, though it is central to your campaign. A car passed me on the road this morning and we ended up meeting at the very same traffic light... Things change and situations are re-evaluated. The Newark murders opened lots of eyes, including the new AG's. And, now we have her Directive. The key point here is the LLA's position. They already know our Mayor's. And, they are not liking it. Doesn't that make you especially happy. By the way - glad you are onboard with us - regardless of when the train actually left the station. Funny Marc, some have accused me of using schools as my campaign centerpiece. These issues, Law Enforcement and Education, are not bad things I guess, to be accused of speaking out on. It would be great to give the voters an opportunity to see ALL council candidates in an open debate, an open forum where critical First Class Quality of Life Issues can be deliberated for the public and by the public. I HAVE been approached and I HAVE accepted. I have heard that the other candidates have not responded in kind. |
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Post by stffgpr2003 on Oct 25, 2007 13:17:05 GMT -5
The key phrase is "speaking out." That, in itself is a good thing. No one ever said your issues are not all respectable ones. They are.
Anyone running for elected office in a small town should be applauded for their interest in public service. You have my respect. I just worry that no one, in their zest for bettering our community, oversteps his/her bounds with respect to the autonomous functioning of another public body.
Fortunately, those presently serving on the school board are less territorial than others from past regimes. Nonetheless, I have always respected their right to govern by themselves - offering input and support, as requested by them through our liaison - the proper channels, so to speak.
Law enforcement is also an area that is not neglected and can always be improved on. 287g seems to be an area that we can agree on in arresting illegal immigrant criminal elements. Timing of introduction ( post AG Directive) and county support (jail capacity) were and are still critical to its success, in my opinion.
I wish you well as you proceed in your quest.
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Post by Libyan Sibyl on Oct 25, 2007 13:55:30 GMT -5
The key phrase is "speaking out." That, in itself is a good thing. No one ever said your issues are not all respectable ones. They are. Anyone running for elected office in a small town should be applauded for their interest in public service. You have my respect. I just worry that no one, in their zest for bettering our community, oversteps his/her bounds with respect to the autonomous functioning of another public body. Fortunately, those presently serving on the school board are less territorial than others from past regimes. Nonetheless, I have always respected their right to govern by themselves - offering input and support, as requested by them through our liaison - the proper channels, so to speak. Law enforcement is also an area that is not neglected and can always be improved on. 287g seems to be an area that we can agree on in arresting illegal immigrant criminal elements. Timing of introduction ( post AG Directive) and county support (jail capacity) were and are still critical to its success, in my opinion. I wish you well as you proceed in your quest. Correct me if I am wrong, but Mayor Wilson adn council have not called for 287(g) to be implemented by the boro. And we have not made an application to ICE, correct? Milgram's program and 287(g) are 2 different programs, right? I remember there was a similar letter by Tom Baldwin crying wolf about this program, as was numerous other episodes of crying wolf about making it illegal to rent to illegals. |
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Post by stffgpr2003 on Oct 25, 2007 14:04:26 GMT -5
You are very welcome, sir!
Maybe we all ought to thank Steven. NOT! Actually, his misguided postings and the subsequent cluster flogging we just experienced have lead us to a more positive way of debating the issues.
We can still agree or disagree, but with mutual respect - save for the trolls, who take no prisoners. They can be easily banished by ignoring them (Ted has been right) and also proving we can discuss the issues without giving them fodder to "annoy" us with.
Funny - in just the past hour or so I feel the Karma changing in the right direction.
Imagine if there ever were to be a campaign around these parts where issues are discussed - there is some disagreement - all sides are heard - and personal attacks never entered into the debate? What would our children think? Can this ever happen in our lifetimes? We'll see. Meanwhile, let's enjoy this moment, before someone breaks the silence. We already know who will try...don't we?
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Oct 25, 2007 14:12:14 GMT -5
(Marc, I was not through....  ) REVISED.......... Marc, I appreciate how Brian gives us this venue for all to express thoughts. Through Brian, this site can be the community collective idea repository for all regardless of opinion! I would also caution readers and posters that like the Times Square Jumbo-Tron, what you post, WILL BE OUT THERE FOR ALL TO SEE!!! What I mean by this is, comments about Gay, Straight, Christen, Jew, Mexican, Freeholder, Bulgarian (Brian  ), Brooklynite, Pittsburghers or Palistinian...., lets all be mindful that the world may not know whats in our minds or harts, but the world will read our words. Write what you mean so the world can not read whats not in between. Simply, just be clear and honest. Fun is fun, but enough counter productive button pushing. Lets be (mostly) mature enough to know when to walk away from "Da'PUSHER MAN"! Thank you for your warm wishes! VOTE TED!!! ;D The key phrase is "speaking out." That, in itself is a good thing. No one ever said your issues are not all respectable ones. They are. Anyone running for elected office in a small town should be applauded for their interest in public service. You have my respect. I just worry that no one, in their zest for bettering our community, oversteps his/her bounds with respect to the autonomous functioning of another public body. Fortunately, those presently serving on the school board are less territorial than others from past regimes. Nonetheless, I have always respected their right to govern by themselves - offering input and support, as requested by them through our liaison - the proper channels, so to speak. Law enforcement is also an area that is not neglected and can always be improved on. 287g seems to be an area that we can agree on in arresting illegal immigrant criminal elements. Timing of introduction ( post AG Directive) and county support (jail capacity) were and are still critical to its success, in my opinion. I wish you well as you proceed in your quest. |
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Post by stffgpr2003 on Oct 25, 2007 14:15:45 GMT -5
Point of information - you are correct, as was reported by the local newspapers. The county route is being pursued, for among many other reasons, because they have many jail cells and the Borough has only a few holding cells. At least one of the new Sheriff candidates endorses 287g and I, personally, will support that candidate.
The AG Directive and 287g are very similar, but the AG Directive only calls for a reporting relationship (of criminals) to ICE, but does not train, deputize or direct local law enforcement agencies to detain for deportation as ICE does under 287g. I hope my understanding is correct.
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Oct 25, 2007 14:19:16 GMT -5
Point of information - you are correct, as was reported by the local newspapers. The county route is being pursued, among other reasons, since they have many Jail cells and the Borough has only a few holding cells. At least one of the new Sheriff candidates endorses 287g and I, personally, will support that candidate. So you are supporting ALL 287g Candidates, or only the 287g Candidates that know how to use a Spell Checker  |
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Post by Libyan Sibyl on Oct 25, 2007 14:38:20 GMT -5
Point of information - you are correct, as was reported by the local newspapers. The county route is being pursued, among other reasons, since they have many Jail cells and the Borough has only a few holding cells. At least one of the new Sheriff candidates endorses 287g and I, personally, will support that candidate. The AG Directive and 287g are very similar, but the AG Directive only calls for a reporting relationship (of criminals) to ICE, but does not train, deputize or direct local law enforcement agencies to detain for deportation as ICE does under 287g. I hope my understanding is correct.From reading the various stories, and trying to keep up on this issue, we have the same understanding. And this issue has been discussed on this forum: whether the borough should be active on this, or defer to to the county and state for 287(g). So let's not take on that issue for the moment. What I want to point out, here we have another example of the LLA and like-minded groups intentionally mis-reporting things to the general public. I do not trust them - LLA, Casa Freehold, and other immigrants rights groups, they (and their members) have done this before to FB, and IMO they should not have a place at the table for any decisions at the Freehold Borough table. The Mayor has been way too nice to them, and among the many thanks he gets is being called out on something he didn't even propose - as pointed out in my post above, TB did this in the spring with 287(g) and the same with the Riverside ordinance (infamous #15). The LLA, Casa Freehold have been shamelessly promoting themselves while trying to tarnish the town (yes, I know I am in favor of 287(g) locally, but the council has spoken, and this is just a cheap shot at the mayor - no matter what he says in response, they had the first punch and he is automatically on the defensive.) Talk about being divisive - the LLA needs to do a little reflecting. |
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Post by admin on Oct 25, 2007 15:51:55 GMT -5
LS, I agree with you completely. The letter from Angel Matos should serve as a wake up call to everyone. The true colors of the LLA and Casa Freehold shine through every time they opine. Our Mayor has been too nice to them. The recent appointment of a Casa Freehold person to one of our committees is a good example of the Mayor being too nice and I guarantee that the LLA and Casa freehold will not hesitate to kick him in the teeth the first chance they get.
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Post by stffgpr2003 on Oct 26, 2007 10:23:50 GMT -5
Two issues. 1. The LLA letter is simply an editorial (their opinion) in a local newspaper. 2. Similar citizen letters can be sent to oppose their views and calls can be made to the proper authorities to support the Mayor's request. Guaranteed, the public can swamp any editorial they wish to and drown it in their own bucket of newsprint.
Folks, when the LLA writes something that you disagree with, you are not exactly powerless to act. Conversely, The Dream Act has been a nightmare for its few supporters and has been suppressed, several times. by the huge popular outcry that FAIR and others mobilized. In addition, the State Legislature of NY must have heard, loud and clear, the public WARNING of - NO DRIVERS LICENSES for ILLEGALS - when they acted to stifle Governor Spitzer's ill conceived plan. The same thing happened to a similar NJ plan, sponsored by Joe Vas - remember that one?
When you think about issues at home, it's nice - but, when you stand on the soapbox - THAT'S WHEN IT REALLY COUNTS!
Fire up those PCs and get on the phone. The Mayor can request -but the public can DEMAND!
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), Brooklynite, Pittsburghers or Palistinian...., lets all be mindful that the world may not know whats in our minds or harts, but the world will read our words. Write what you mean so the world can not read whats not in between.