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Post by Mike Rosseel on Nov 1, 2010 14:13:11 GMT -5
*sigh*...Here we go.... A few of the democratic signs are down as opposed to nearly the entire Borough's-worth of Lichardi/Miller signs removed and taken. Please. By the way, with regard to the ever-lovin' debate, and should you want the real story, go to the Republican Headquarters and chat with the candidates directly. This whole debate topic is rather tiresome; get out and vote for CHANGE, folks. Question....you just joined this site today and your sign was stolen over the weekend and thats what you are writing about??? Very interesting!! |
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Post by dfx on Nov 1, 2010 14:18:56 GMT -5
By the way, with regard to the ever-lovin' debate, and should you want the real story, go to the Republican Headquarters and chat with the candidates directly. This whole debate topic is rather tiresome; get out and vote for CHANGE, folks. Are you suggesting that the Republicans have secret correspondence negating/disproving the letters I've already posted? OR Are you suggesting that I did NOT reproduce the letters as they were written (verbatim)? I have copies of all the correspondences and would be happy to share them with anyone wanting to see them for themselves... dfx |
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Post by lisas84 on Nov 1, 2010 16:19:04 GMT -5
I am not surprised that Treble reports that the Republican candidates are spinning this whole thing their way as the "real story," it's part of the campaign process. It would be interesting to hear their side of it. Maybe Treble can post it.
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Post by BrianSullivan on Nov 2, 2010 5:08:49 GMT -5
I am not surprised that Treble reports that the Republican candidates are spinning this whole thing their way as the "real story," it's part of the campaign process. It would be interesting to hear their side of it. Maybe Treble can post it. I don't see this as spin at all. There is a big difference between a couple of alleged stolen signs from one side vs. almost all of the signs stolen from the other. The stolen GOP signs are definitely the story here, IMO a funny one. Speaking of campaign signs, this year I noticed many, many more lawns with signs for both local parties. What does that mean? Confused voters? Split households? Split tickets? It was strange to see. Anyway,. today is the big day and I do want to wish all of the candidates the best of luck and thank them all for giving us a race and a choice this year. I think we have four good people to pick from. ( no, I am not endorsing anyone this year. I made it through silly season without any candidates lying about me this year.) |
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Post by BrianSullivan on Nov 2, 2010 5:10:08 GMT -5
I am not surprised that Treble reports that the Republican candidates are spinning this whole thing their way as the "real story," it's part of the campaign process. It would be interesting to hear their side of it. Maybe Treble can post it. I don't see this as spin at all. There is a big difference between a couple of alleged stolen signs from one side vs. almost all of the signs stolen from the other. The stolen GOP signs are definitely the story here, IMO a funny one. Speaking of campaign signs, this year I noticed many, many more lawns with signs for both local parties. What does that mean? Confused voters? Split households? Split tickets? It was strange to see. Anyway,. today is the big day and I do want to wish all of the candidates the best of luck and thank them all for giving us a race and a choice this year. I think we have four good people to pick from. ( no, I am not endorsing anyone this year. I made it through silly season without any candidates lying about me this year.) PS- it is good that residetns filed polcie reports. Out PD is pretty good at catching up with these things. It will be interesting to watch when someone gets caught. |
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Post by dfx on Nov 2, 2010 7:50:14 GMT -5
I think the real story this year is that Freehold Borough scored extremely well when measured for fiscal responsibility and received 100% state aid. (Why this information has not been shouted from the rooftops in our small town is beyond me.)
That said, good luck to ALL of the candidates. Demonstrating some level of civic involvement is the responsibility of every citizen and a privilege that not everyone in this world has the freedom to enjoy. While we all may have different points of view, we are all Americans and my home will always be open to each of you.
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Post by lisas84 on Nov 2, 2010 8:03:46 GMT -5
Brian, you didn't understand and that's OK, I guess I wasn't clear. My post was solely responding to Treble's post about the debate. Not the signs. In fact, I applaud Treble for doing what I posted earlier before he/she joined up here: contacting the police about stolen property and informing the Republicans that his/her lawn signs were stolen. Excellent job there because that's exactly what I would have done.
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Post by richardkelsey on Nov 2, 2010 9:57:43 GMT -5
By the way, with regard to the ever-lovin' debate, and should you want the real story, go to the Republican Headquarters and chat with the candidates directly. This whole debate topic is rather tiresome; get out and vote for CHANGE, folks. Are you suggesting that the Republicans have secret correspondence negating/disproving the letters I've already posted? OR Are you suggesting that I did NOT reproduce the letters as they were written (verbatim)? I have copies of all the correspondences and would be happy to share them with anyone wanting to see them for themselves... dfx The letters you posted proved -- beyond a reasonable doubt -- that the parties NEVER agreed to debate. Indeed, thinking about it this morning, the reply letter from the GOP invited the Dems to a conversation about a debate. This left the next move, as far as the correspondence shows, to the Dems. I am a bit surprised you posted all the correspondence, because heretofore, I actually thought the Republicans agreed and pulled out. That did seem very odd to me. |
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Post by dfx on Nov 2, 2010 10:37:09 GMT -5
The letters you posted proved -- beyond a reasonable doubt -- that the parties NEVER agreed to debate.
Indeed, thinking about it this morning, the reply letter from the GOP invited the Dems to a conversation about a debate. This left the next move, as far as the correspondence shows, to the Dems.
Unfortunately this is an instance where you and I will have to agree to disagree. I believe the Democrats did everything reasonably possible to facilitate a candidates debate based on every communication that's been faithfully reproduced in it's entirety on this website.
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Post by BrianSullivan on Nov 2, 2010 15:44:33 GMT -5
Brian, you didn't understand and that's OK, I guess I wasn't clear. My post was solely responding to Treble's post about the debate. Not the signs. In fact, I applaud Treble for doing what I posted earlier before he/she joined up here: contacting the police about stolen property and informing the Republicans that his/her lawn signs were stolen. Excellent job there because that's exactly what I would have done. In my early morning fog, I did mistake your post. My bad. You do bring up a good point about the debate that was never going to happen- we are lacking any public statements from the GOP, other than the news paper blurbs. |
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Post by Mike Rosseel on Nov 3, 2010 7:03:39 GMT -5
Brian,
As I took a walk through GOP headquarters lastnight, I saw you speaking to Miller after his historic 4th year in a row lose, hope you cheered him up and told him to give it up! Freehold needs new canidates from the GOP. Not the same old name and a throw in at the last minute!
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Post by dfx on Nov 3, 2010 7:52:14 GMT -5
Brian, As I took a walk through GOP headquarters lastnight, I saw you speaking to Miller after his historic 4th year in a row lose, hope you cheered him up and told him to give it up! Freehold needs new canidates from the GOP. Not the same old name and a throw in at the last minute! All kidding aside, maybe you should run Mike. I could see something like that... dfx |
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Post by lisas84 on Nov 3, 2010 8:13:01 GMT -5
Wow, that must have been totally humiliating for Lichardi and Miller to be the only two losing Republican candidates in that room. Victory for Golden, Clifton, Arnone, McMorrow. But I bet the food was delicious!
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Post by Mike Rosseel on Nov 3, 2010 10:25:47 GMT -5
Brian, As I took a walk through GOP headquarters lastnight, I saw you speaking to Miller after his historic 4th year in a row lose, hope you cheered him up and told him to give it up! Freehold needs new canidates from the GOP. Not the same old name and a throw in at the last minute! All kidding aside, maybe you should run Mike. I could see something like that... dfx Now lets not get crazy! Im not saying let me run, I would have nothing to do with a party that has Miller as the head! Im just saying if he really cares about his party, he would stop the maddness and let new people run. No more switching canidates at the last minute. I honestly am nervous for Newman because I think Miller could make him a one and done and that would be a shame! |
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Post by treble on Nov 4, 2010 7:13:11 GMT -5
Wow, that must have been totally humiliating for Lichardi and Miller to be the only two losing Republican candidates in that room. Victory for Golden, Clifton, Arnone, McMorrow. But I bet the food was delicious! I'm sure that they were disappointed, as anyone in their position would be, but I don't think they were in the least bit humiliated. Why should they have been? Considering the apathy that the average American has for politics, I think it's commendable that there are people who are willing to put their beliefs into action and subject themselves to all sorts of public scrutiny, fair and otherwise. Of course there are personal and financial risks, and unfortunately civil discourse isn't as respectful as it ought to be, but if no one ever takes the chance, then we all lose. |
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Post by treble on Nov 4, 2010 7:17:16 GMT -5
Brian, As I took a walk through GOP headquarters lastnight, I saw you speaking to Miller after his historic 4th year in a row lose, hope you cheered him up and told him to give it up! Freehold needs new canidates from the GOP. Not the same old name and a throw in at the last minute! On the contrary, I rather admire Mr. Miller's tenacity, and told him as much, so I hope that did cheer him up! I guess "giving up" would be the most expedient way to withdraw from the political fray, but I'm heartened to know that there are people like Mr. Miller who remain committed to their ideals, even in the face of tremendous odds and overt opposition. |
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Post by lisas84 on Nov 4, 2010 7:27:19 GMT -5
Trebel, you are totally correct about folks who run for office who want to make a difference, and commitment to ideals.
I personally like how you express yourself, and I'm sure both Brian and Richard will agree that you are a refreshing and welcome addition to this site. I hope you continue to be involved, posting your thoughts, observations, etc. beyond just this election. Take a look at the other boards.
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Post by Mike Rosseel on Nov 4, 2010 9:24:00 GMT -5
Brian, As I took a walk through GOP headquarters lastnight, I saw you speaking to Miller after his historic 4th year in a row lose, hope you cheered him up and told him to give it up! Freehold needs new canidates from the GOP. Not the same old name and a throw in at the last minute! On the contrary, I rather admire Mr. Miller's tenacity, and told him as much, so I hope that did cheer him up! I guess "giving up" would be the most expedient way to withdraw from the political fray, but I'm heartened to know that there are people like Mr. Miller who remain committed to their ideals, even in the face of tremendous odds and overt opposition. Treble, I respect you views and I certainly am not telling you your wrong but I ask you this. How many times does a town have to vote down an individual before you say maybe he isnt electable in Freehold Boro. This is not a jab at Miller but I think 4 years in a row is enough. Two years ago, a democratic town passed on Miller and elected a Republican in John Newman. Newman has done a very good job! This year, with Republicans sweeping all over and in the Boro, again Miller loses and by the greatest margin! Its clear, Freehold isnt interested in Miller, its unheard of to run 4 years in a row, why are the Freehold GOP not letting new people run? Why are last minute canidates being thrown into the mix year after year. I believe with Newmans success and the voting trends across NJ, this was a great year for the Freehold GOP to make some noise, probaly not win, but have a close race, that certainly didnt happen. Its clearly time for new blood, like it or not! Congrats to Jaye and Kevin on a will done election on all accounts! |
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Post by BrianSullivan on Nov 4, 2010 12:07:00 GMT -5
Wow, that must have been totally humiliating for Lichardi and Miller to be the only two losing Republican candidates in that room. Victory for Golden, Clifton, Arnone, McMorrow. But I bet the food was delicious! I agree with Treble, Ted has nothing to be humiliated about. He alone has revived the Freehold GOP in a town that is solid Democrat. Most people might have given up by now but Ted has stayed strong considering he and the GOP are underdogs. If it were not for Ted we would not have a councilman Newman. I think some people on the Dem side really understand that and it is part of the reason why he is on the receiving end of vicious attacks. I will inject a personal story here to provide perspective. This pertains to something that some local Dems have not forgiven me for. ( their problem, not mine) The first year Ted ran, I walked door to door with him. That was the only year that I did anything for the local GOP. ( I have had little use for partisan activism, but prefer more community minded things) The reason I did it was because Ted was completely alone. There was no party for him to work with. A friend asked for a favor and I was happy to help. Fast forward to today, and that is all a different ball game. Ted does have a support network with people who help. Its a big difference from when he started. More important than anything, because of the above, the voters of this town have had choices, something that is good for all of us. Even the Dems have stepped up their game both in and out of campaign season. They have received a healthy challenge and are looking to meet that. This years campaign was the best they have done in ages. In other words, Ted has nothing to be ashamed of, quite the contrary, he should be proud. BTW, the food was great. The county GOP throws a really good party. AS great as the American Hotel is, it was just too small. The place was packed and quite jubilant. Speaking of McMorrow, I still think it is real ironic that I voted for her when she was a Dem and now that she is a part of the party I favor, I cannot vote for her. Glad she won, she is a good person. To Mike--- You keep calling on Miller to step down and stop running. I will not disagree/agree with you, but in the end that will be an issue for Ted and his party to deal with. Think of it this way, I like some of the Dems up there. If the Dems ran Levine again, do you think I would be happy? I feel about him about what you think of Ted, But, that's just the way it works. And if Ted ( or Marc) runs again, the real Freehold Voice, the voters will speak again just like they have for the past four years. The parties have to live with their decisions. The one general thing I do believe is that the Freehold GOP has got to look in the mirror. They will have to assess the situation and make some decisions if they wish to provide any future competition. Quite honestly, this years GOP campaign was a real puzzle for me. I think it was Rich who referred to it as a stealth campaign. I can't say I get the point or value of it. But, thank God, silly season is past. It is time for the victors to enjoy their moment and Freehold moves on. I do have to say that this year had a better tone. That is the way things should be in our small town. People have opionions and passions during this crazy time of year, but that is never an excuse to burn bridges. We all live here together and we should all work together. |
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Post by Mike Rosseel on Nov 4, 2010 12:37:31 GMT -5
Wow, that must have been totally humiliating for Lichardi and Miller to be the only two losing Republican candidates in that room. Victory for Golden, Clifton, Arnone, McMorrow. But I bet the food was delicious! I agree with Treble, Ted has nothing to be humiliated about. He alone has revived the Freehold GOP in a town that is solid Democrat. Most people might have given up by now but Ted has stayed strong considering he and the GOP are underdogs. If it were not for Ted we would not have a councilman Newman. I think some people on the Dem side really understand that and it is part of the reason why he is on the receiving end of vicious attacks. I will inject a personal story here to provide perspective. This pertains to something that some local Dems have not forgiven me for. ( their problem, not mine) The first year Ted ran, I walked door to door with him. That was the only year that I did anything for the local GOP. ( I have had little use for partisan activism, but prefer more community minded things) The reason I did it was because Ted was completely alone. There was no party for him to work with. A friend asked for a favor and I was happy to help. Fast forward to today, and that is all a different ball game. Ted does have a support network with people who help. Its a big difference from when he started. More important than anything, because of the above, the voters of this town have had choices, something that is good for all of us. Even the Dems have stepped up their game both in and out of campaign season. They have received a healthy challenge and are looking to meet that. This years campaign was the best they have done in ages. In other words, Ted has nothing to be ashamed of, quite the contrary, he should be proud. BTW, the food was great. The county GOP throws a really good party. AS great as the American Hotel is, it was just too small. The place was packed and quite jubilant. Speaking of McMorrow, I still think it is real ironic that I voted for her when she was a Dem and now that she is a part of the party I favor, I cannot vote for her. Glad she won, she is a good person. To Mike--- You keep calling on Miller to step down and stop running. I will not disagree/agree with you, but in the end that will be an issue for Ted and his party to deal with. Think of it this way, I like some of the Dems up there. If the Dems ran Levine again, do you think I would be happy? I feel about him about what you think of Ted, But, that's just the way it works. And if Ted ( or Marc) runs again, the real Freehold Voice, the voters will speak again just like they have for the past four years. The parties have to live with their decisions. The one general thing I do believe is that the Freehold GOP has got to look in the mirror. They will have to assess the situation and make some decisions if they wish to provide any future competition. Quite honestly, this years GOP campaign was a real puzzle for me. I think it was Rich who referred to it as a stealth campaign. I can't say I get the point or value of it. But, thank God, silly season is past. It is time for the victors to enjoy their moment and Freehold moves on. I do have to say that this year had a better tone. That is the way things should be in our small town. People have opionions and passions during this crazy time of year, but that is never an excuse to burn bridges. We all live here together and we should all work together. Brian I agree and disagree here(go figure) Agree....It would be the same if the dems ran Levine as to my complaints about Miller running again. With no disrespect to Marc, I think his time has passed, he was voted out twice now and its time to let new people with fresh ideas take a shot at it. I mean no disrespect to Miller or LeVine, its just a fact, this town is in desperate need for new blood! PERIOD! Dem or GOP new blood! Disagree.....Miller IMHO is not the reason Newman got elected. I think people were tired of certain things and sent a clear message that year. Newman won because the people of Freehold were tired of the same old and gave a new guy a chance. Now, That new guy is doing a Very Very GOOD job! Hats off to Newman! Obviously, Ted isnt doing that great of a job with the GOP. He has switched running mates months before the election on 2 seperate years. He has run himself 4 times in a row, to me that says either he is an ego maniac or cant come up with others to run...I can tell you of atleast 3 different people approached by the Freehold GOP to run, all were interested, none wanted to be attached to Miller. Brian, I know you like Ted and thats great, the point here is, its time for Miller to let new people in and let there be a serious challenge for the seats each year. I agree, having 4 canidates is great but it would be better if the 2 GOP stood a chance, Miller will never win in Freehold, Period! |
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Post by BrianSullivan on Nov 4, 2010 13:17:37 GMT -5
Mike,
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Post by ess0350 on Nov 4, 2010 22:48:09 GMT -5
"Ted has nothing to be humiliated about. He alone has revived the Freehold GOP in a town that is solid Democrat. Most people might have given up by now but Ted has stayed strong considering he and the GOP are underdogs. If it were not for Ted we would not have a councilman Newman. I think some people on the Dem side really understand that and it is part of the reason why he is on the receiving end of vicious attacks." Well said Brian. I do not think Ted Miller has any reason to be humiliated or embarrassed regarding the outcome of the election. I believe Ted Miller is very passionate about Freehold Boro and shows how committed he is to making a difference. The GOP in the Boro would be almost non-existent without his drive and commitment. He has gotten people involved and motivated for the GOP and it does have some growing to do. For any person to weather the treatment or remarks made to or about him shows how passionate he is about making the Boro a better place, and that is something he can be proud of. He has shown his enthusiastic dedication for making a difference in Freehold Boro. He has volunteered his time very generously to the Court Street School, Little League, Flag Football, his own house of worship and the GOP. In my opinion he has courage and valor which illustrates he is an honorable man and holds this community dear to his heart. |
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Post by Mike Rosseel on Nov 5, 2010 7:14:56 GMT -5
"Ted has nothing to be humiliated about. He alone has revived the Freehold GOP in a town that is solid Democrat. Most people might have given up by now but Ted has stayed strong considering he and the GOP are underdogs. If it were not for Ted we would not have a councilman Newman. I think some people on the Dem side really understand that and it is part of the reason why he is on the receiving end of vicious attacks." Well said Brian. I do not think Ted Miller has any reason to be humiliated or embarrassed regarding the outcome of the election. I believe Ted Miller is very passionate about Freehold Boro and shows how committed he is to making a difference. The GOP in the Boro would be almost non-existent without his drive and commitment. He has gotten people involved and motivated for the GOP and it does have some growing to do. For any person to weather the treatment or remarks made to or about him shows how passionate he is about making the Boro a better place, and that is something he can be proud of. He has shown his enthusiastic dedication for making a difference in Freehold Boro. He has volunteered his time very generously to the Court Street School, Little League, Flag Football, his own house of worship and the GOP. In my opinion he has courage and valor which illustrates he is an honorable man and holds this community dear to his heart. You can pat him on the back until your arm hurts for all I care. No one can agrue its time for him to STOP running point blank. He was the lowest vote getter this year, last year obviuosly Newman got more votes, its plain to see, he will not win in Freehold. He can be the best guy in the world but election results dont lie! Can we please be realistic, isnt 0-4 enough? Maybe when he is 0-8 people will realize he isnt going to win in Freehold! If he was so dedicated to the Freehold GOP, shouldnt he stop running and let others try to make a difference? Wouldnt that show he is doing it for true reasons not to have hie ego massaged??? Come on folks, lets call a spade a spade, its time for Miller to give up running point blank! |
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Post by lisas84 on Nov 5, 2010 8:13:39 GMT -5
It appears that my initial comment was taken way out of context. The way I constructed my sentence does not convey that I believe he should "be" humiliated. Instead, I was emphasizing what must have been a feeling: "must have been humiliating" meaning, that at those moments when the returns came in, showing the numbers, the feeling inside him may have likely been one of deep sadness, frustration, ergo, a bit of humiliation, notably when the returns on all the others showed clear wins. To be the only losing candidates in the room must have hurt like a sharp knife. I know I would have felt it, no matter what.
I'm surprised that some bright and articulate people like Brian, Trebel and ess0350 did not understand the difference or read my post for correct context.
Of course Ted has worked tirelessly in his own way for four years to gain a political position. Separately, I particularly admire his devotion to marketing the Court Street School and to promote compelling projects for it. I think this is a superb talent and I look forward to him doing so much more, and being able to work with him to publicize the various programs and the people behind them.
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Post by ess0350 on Nov 5, 2010 8:51:25 GMT -5
"It appears that my initial comment was taken way out of context."
I understood what you meant, there are times when we are all humble in given circumstances. I was responding to others have assumed that Mr. Miller felt humiliated. He has an admirable dedication to trying make a difference in our town.
"He alone has revived the Freehold GOP in a town that is solid Democrat. Most people might have given up by now but Ted has stayed strong considering he and the GOP are underdogs."
There were years when the GOP was not a viable organization and needed someone who wanted to make a difference. That is where Mr. Miller picked up the torch where others were not in the position or willing to do so. He is dedicated to making the GOP a better organization and has worked with bare bones trying to organize the GOP and boost their presence
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Post by lisas84 on Nov 5, 2010 9:12:37 GMT -5
"It appears that my initial comment was taken way out of context." I understood what you meant, there are times when we are all humble in given circumstances. I was responding to others have assumed that Mr. Miller felt humiliated. He has an admirable dedication to trying make a difference in our town. "He alone has revived the Freehold GOP in a town that is solid Democrat. Most people might have given up by now but Ted has stayed strong considering he and the GOP are underdogs." There were years when the GOP was not a viable organization and needed someone who wanted to make a difference. That is where Mr. Miller picked up the torch where others were not in the position or willing to do so. He is dedicated to making the GOP a better organization and has worked with bare bones trying to organize the GOP and boost their presence Thank you very much, Ess. I am glad you understood. On another note, as I wrote to Trebel the other day, you are also a refreshing and welcoming voice. Please feel free to take part throughout the year in any subject. I am sure both Brian and Richard will echo my sentiments here. |
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Post by Mike Rosseel on Nov 5, 2010 9:12:55 GMT -5
The following is not a shot at Brian, Kelsey, or most posters on here....
This is what makes me laugh about politics in Freehold, people are so two faced. People write about how much they like someone or think there doing a good job but in a forum with all "r" or "d" they slam that person. Thats a shame, be real, speak whats on your mind, stop being so "P.C." be real.
I give alot of respect out to Kelsey and Brian because they rarely say what people want to hear, they say there true feelings, thats respectable. Sitting on any board or page, and writting the exact opposite of how you speak behind close doors is sad!
Esso, I do agree with giving Miller credit for running with the party when it was pretty much dead. Even I can't argue that. He has done a nice job getting the GOP up and moving. IMHO, its time for him to sit back and let "new blood" challenge for a spot. I do tip my cap to him for getting the party up and running, its just time to see a new name besides Miller at the polls!
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