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Post by Mike Rosseel on Jun 1, 2010 8:21:01 GMT -5
With the primary coming up in a week or so, does anyone have any information on the women running on the Boro council ticket with Ted Miller. I think it would be good to learn alittle about her before the vote! Anything?
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Post by BrianSullivan on Jun 1, 2010 9:06:27 GMT -5
Mike, I agree with you and believe your questions are fair.
I would like to know more too. Otherwise it might be better to stay home and not vote.
casting an uninformed vote is dangerous.
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Post by Mike Rosseel on Jun 1, 2010 9:22:02 GMT -5
Mike, I agree with you and believe your questions are fair. I would like to know more too. Otherwise it might be better to stay home and not vote. casting an uninformed vote is dangerous. Brian, I couldn't agree with you more. I feel like on a local level, the primary can certainly get the ball rolling or bring momentum into the election. As a voter, a candidate that has not come forward or told us anything about themselves seems to me to be a sitting name until someone else is chosen. I just feel this starts the election process in a negative way. With John Newman's recent success in the election, I honestly thought the GOP in town had some steam behind them, this could be a neutralizer and put the power back to the Dems. Hopefully, information can be put out ASAP and give GOP followers a reason to go to the polls and make some noise. Just my thoughts! |
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Post by lisas84 on Jun 1, 2010 18:21:19 GMT -5
Maybe Ms. Scarfi has a prior commitment she's wrapping up before she can speak about herself for this particular position she may seek as a next chapter. I know this kind of situation is not abnormal.
Brian, I totally agree: casting an uninformed vote is dangerous. You are so correct. It's exactly like voting for one party because you're mad at the other due to one decision you didn't like out of the hundreds of decisions they make all the time, and thinking that the other guy is going to fly in on golden fairy wings and make everything better.
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Post by Mike Rosseel on Jun 1, 2010 18:42:56 GMT -5
Maybe Ms. Scarf has a prior commitment she's wrapping up before she can speak about herself for this particular position she may seek as a next chapter. I know this kind of situation is not abnormal. Brian, I totally agree: casting an uninformed vote is dangerous. You are so correct. It's exactly like voting for one party because you're mad at the other due to one decision you didn't like out of the hundreds of decisions they make all the time, and thinking that the other guy is going to fly in on golden fairy wings and make everything better. It maybe dangerous but no more dangerous then brain washed people walking into a voting booth like a herd of sheep thinking that people are great because there party lines. Time spent served isnt a free pass for re-election, or is it? Thats the scary question. How about people being shut out or no longer associated with because they don't bow down to the almighty, I digress. Blind voting or party line voting are equally dangerous, that's my point! |
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Post by Mike Rosseel on Jun 1, 2010 18:49:31 GMT -5
Maybe Ms. Scarfi has a prior commitment she's wrapping up before she can speak about herself for this particular position she may seek as a next chapter. I know this kind of situation is not abnormal. Brian, I totally agree: casting an uninformed vote is dangerous. You are so correct. It's exactly like voting for one party because you're mad at the other due to one decision you didn't like out of the hundreds of decisions they make all the time, and thinking that the other guy is going to fly in on golden fairy wings and make everything better. Lisa, it seems pretty apparent to me that the people of Freehold spoke last election and made a change from one of your beloved council ( i like Marc and supported him) Did they vote for Newman because of his golden wings?? Free mind and the ability to hear peoples voice and not like what you hear, thats a reason to change how you look at people serving our town! Sitting around making excuses for them, not so great! |
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Post by lisas84 on Jun 1, 2010 19:11:56 GMT -5
Mike,
I didn't say anything at all about last year's local election. I was agreeing with Brian and adding that it is equal to voting on one particular issue (no matter what it is, no matter the election) instead of the person's relevant entire record is also dangerous. Not sure what you're talking about.
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Post by Mike Rosseel on Jun 1, 2010 20:08:53 GMT -5
Lisa your point was "casting an uninformed vote is dangerous. You are so correct. It's exactly like voting for one party because you're mad at the other due to one decision you didn't like out of the hundreds of decisions they make all the time, and thinking that the other guy is going to fly in on golden fairy wings and make everything better. "casting an uninformed vote is dangerous. You are so correct. It's exactly like voting for one party because you're mad at the other due to one decision you didn't like out of the hundreds of decisions they make all the time, and thinking that the other guy is going to fly in on golden fairy wings and make everything better.
My point, voting for a person because of party is just as dangerous! Lets be honest Lisa, what exactly was your point of this " It's exactly like voting for one party because you're mad at the other due to one decision you didn't like out of the hundreds of decisions they make all the time, and thinking that the other guy is going to fly in on golden fairy wings and make everything better. " Isnt that your right? wouldnt you not support someone who did something you dont agree with, isnt that the purpose of voting? Maybe im wrong, can you please explain that quote
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Post by lisas84 on Jun 2, 2010 7:58:14 GMT -5
Mike,
I once talked to an older guy about 15 years ago who told me he actually flipped a coin in the voting booth when he didn't know what to do! He was about 80 at that point. Can you imagine if that was normal?
I totally agree with you, Mike, about going straight down the color line -- red or blue. I have never done that and never will. You are correct -- the color line is equally as dangerous.
All that said, I don't understand your angry tone towards me.
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Post by Mike Rosseel on Jun 2, 2010 8:52:53 GMT -5
Mike, I once talked to an older guy about 15 years ago who told me he actually flipped a coin in the voting booth when he didn't know what to do! He was about 80 at that point. Can you imagine if that was normal? I totally agree with you, Mike, about going straight down the color line -- red or blue. I have never done that and never will. You are correct -- the color line is equally as dangerous. All that said, I don't understand your angry tone towards me. Not sure how you pick up an angry tone via a message board? No angry tone at all! Just saying the other side of the coin, thats all |
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Post by richardkelsey on Jun 2, 2010 10:22:22 GMT -5
I guess this rules you out Mike as the replacement candidate? :-)
Darn -- just when I thought this was going to get interesting.
Maybe it is the facebook guy I like -- Freehold Live? Finally, unmasked, Freehold Live for Borough Council. That would be a cool trick.
Maybe it is an even more stealth candidate -- like some former resident who secretly established residency in the Borough last year -- and now -- is ready to drop the bomb?
I am rooting for something fun -- as you can all see. Politics gets so testy -- it might as well be fun too!
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Post by Mike Rosseel on Jun 2, 2010 10:30:45 GMT -5
I guess this rules you out Mike as the replacement candidate? :-) Darn -- just when I thought this was going to get interesting. Maybe it is the facebook guy I like -- Freehold Live? Finally, unmasked, Freehold Live for Borough Council. That would be a cool trick. Maybe it is an even more stealth candidate -- like some former resident who secretly established residency in the Borough last year -- and now -- is ready to drop the bomb? I am rooting for something fun -- as you can all see. Politics gets so testy -- it might as well be fun too! That certainly would be interesting....Miller/Rosseel, kinda like it...lol |
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Post by BrianSullivan on Jun 2, 2010 16:01:51 GMT -5
This thread turned into some very nice discussion. More info would be good- I believe in an open and honest approach to things and hate the hush hush way of seeing things done. But, the reality is, this is only the primary and is uncontested. November is so far off and for the most part, elections are far from my mind. We have a long summer of great events and plans to look forward to. For now, i am just enjoying the ride. When we do get to the voting booth, I am just thankful that we have a race and four people willing to serve. It is a credit to them all and I thank them for doing what they do. Like last year, there are people on both sides who I like, so I see no losing ahead. And this year I know I will not have to worry about any of them throwing me under the bus and lying about me.  |
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Post by adefonzo on Jun 7, 2010 3:10:45 GMT -5
This thread turned into some very nice discussion. More info would be good- I believe in an open and honest approach to things and hate the hush hush way of seeing things done. But, the reality is, this is only the primary and is uncontested. November is so far off and for the most part, elections are far from my mind. We have a long summer of great events and plans to look forward to. For now, i am just enjoying the ride. When we do get to the voting booth, I am just thankful that we have a race and four people willing to serve. It is a credit to them all and I thank them for doing what they do. Like last year, there are people on both sides who I like, so I see no losing ahead. And this year I know I will not have to worry about any of them throwing me under the bus and lying about me. This thread may have kicked off some good conversation, but sadly, none of it is about the topic of the thread. Brian, as for the part of your post that I highlighted...obviously I am not certain, but I don't think you were really expecting it last year...so don't dismiss the idea that it may happen again. And as for the voting habits of the voting public, let me be frank... First of all, in my own perfect world, no one would be allowed to vote unless they could name the candidates who were running for the positions they planned on voting for...and in the case of the Presidential race, you have to get the candidate for President and Vice President correct (would eliminate all those idiots who seemed to think Sarah Palin was running either for President, or for Vice President under Barack Obama...most of us saw the videos, let's not try to deny that these people exist). That's right, I would actually not allow people to vote if they were too ignorant to learn at least the names of the people running for office. Of course, the easiest way to achieve this...write in votes only!! Next, if that's a bit too extreme, how about we stop listing the Republican's in one column, and the Democrats in another? Just throw all the names up on the screen without any mention of what party they belong to and let the people choose. I know, I know..."Andy, you're crazy!!! You actually want people to look into the candidates and actually learn about who would be a better representative of themselves?  !!!! That's not how a democracy works!!" Don't worry...neither party would ever let something like that happen. As for the idea that making your vote based on one decision made by a person or party despite their entire "body of work"...well...sometimes, that one decision can be a real deal breaker...or other times, that one decision might be what pulls people to vote in favor of that candidate...at least these folks are paying attention to decisions that are being made!! Then again...you can't just base your decision on someone's "body of work" in politics...especially since (in my opinion) we should have term limits, and thereby fresh faces in government every few years...which means there are going to be people who do not have a "body of work" to show off when they are running for office. But don't worry...neither party is going to put forth the idea of term limits either, so there's nothing to worry about their either. |
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Post by richardkelsey on Jun 7, 2010 13:03:31 GMT -5
This thread turned into some very nice discussion. More info would be good- I believe in an open and honest approach to things and hate the hush hush way of seeing things done. But, the reality is, this is only the primary and is uncontested. November is so far off and for the most part, elections are far from my mind. We have a long summer of great events and plans to look forward to. For now, i am just enjoying the ride. When we do get to the voting booth, I am just thankful that we have a race and four people willing to serve. It is a credit to them all and I thank them for doing what they do. Like last year, there are people on both sides who I like, so I see no losing ahead. And this year I know I will not have to worry about any of them throwing me under the bus and lying about me. This thread may have kicked off some good conversation, but sadly, none of it is about the topic of the thread. Brian, as for the part of your post that I highlighted...obviously I am not certain, but I don't think you were really expecting it last year...so don't dismiss the idea that it may happen again. And as for the voting habits of the voting public, let me be frank... First of all, in my own perfect world, no one would be allowed to vote unless they could name the candidates who were running for the positions they planned on voting for...and in the case of the Presidential race, you have to get the candidate for President and Vice President correct (would eliminate all those idiots who seemed to think Sarah Palin was running either for President, or for Vice President under Barack Obama...most of us saw the videos, let's not try to deny that these people exist). That's right, I would actually not allow people to vote if they were too ignorant to learn at least the names of the people running for office. Of course, the easiest way to achieve this...write in votes only!! Next, if that's a bit too extreme, how about we stop listing the Republican's in one column, and the Democrats in another? Just throw all the names up on the screen without any mention of what party they belong to and let the people choose. I know, I know..."Andy, you're crazy!!! You actually want people to look into the candidates and actually learn about who would be a better representative of themselves? !!!! That's not how a democracy works!!" Don't worry...neither party would ever let something like that happen. As for the idea that making your vote based on one decision made by a person or party despite their entire "body of work"...well...sometimes, that one decision can be a real deal breaker...or other times, that one decision might be what pulls people to vote in favor of that candidate...at least these folks are paying attention to decisions that are being made!! Then again...you can't just base your decision on someone's "body of work" in politics...especially since (in my opinion) we should have term limits, and thereby fresh faces in government every few years...which means there are going to be people who do not have a "body of work" to show off when they are running for office. But don't worry...neither party is going to put forth the idea of term limits either, so there's nothing to worry about their either. As an aside -- Virginia is a state (Commonwealth really) where party affiliation is not on the ballot. It is for Federal offices -- probably a Federal law -- but not for state or local offices. In fact -- you don't "register" in Virginia as one party or the other. You may join a local or state committee of a party -- but the State keeps no record of your party -- except during primaries. In Virginia -- we have "open primaries." You may vote in any party's primary -- but only one primary each year. So -- how do the parties get around this? First, they target all voters who vote in a given "big primary." For example, in 2004, a list of voters who appeared to vote in the contested Dem primary can be generated -- and the Dem party cross checks this list with other prior primary voting records to develop lists of hard, soft, first-time, and cross-over voters. They then mail, phone, door-knock, or approach accordingly. (Same for the GOP) The best lists are generated in years when one party has a hot race and the other does not. Local party bosses use that info, and donor records, to target voters. In addition, the Parties produce "sample ballots" They mail these ballots in some cases to voters and in those cases they identify the people on the ballot by party -- for those at home who are clueless. They also man every polling station with "democrat" and "republican" sample ballots which they offer to people entering polls. (A cheat sheet for people who show up and have no idea for whom to vote) So - in essence, it is hard to get around voter ID issues, even if you leave party off the ballot. The other big problem is that election law is universally interpreted to make voting easier. It should be made harder. Why it is that we want to let people vote who are clueless, can't figure out the date or location, or don't know the candidates or issues is beyond me. |
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Post by BrianSullivan on Jun 7, 2010 13:09:06 GMT -5
This thread turned into some very nice discussion. More info would be good- I believe in an open and honest approach to things and hate the hush hush way of seeing things done. But, the reality is, this is only the primary and is uncontested. November is so far off and for the most part, elections are far from my mind. We have a long summer of great events and plans to look forward to. For now, i am just enjoying the ride. When we do get to the voting booth, I am just thankful that we have a race and four people willing to serve. It is a credit to them all and I thank them for doing what they do. Like last year, there are people on both sides who I like, so I see no losing ahead. And this year I know I will not have to worry about any of them throwing me under the bus and lying about me. This thread may have kicked off some good conversation, but sadly, none of it is about the topic of the thread. Brian, as for the part of your post that I highlighted...obviously I am not certain, but I don't think you were really expecting it last year...so don't dismiss the idea that it may happen again. And as for the voting habits of the voting public, let me be frank... First of all, in my own perfect world, no one would be allowed to vote unless they could name the candidates who were running for the positions they planned on voting for...and in the case of the Presidential race, you have to get the candidate for President and Vice President correct (would eliminate all those idiots who seemed to think Sarah Palin was running either for President, or for Vice President under Barack Obama...most of us saw the videos, let's not try to deny that these people exist). That's right, I would actually not allow people to vote if they were too ignorant to learn at least the names of the people running for office. Of course, the easiest way to achieve this...write in votes only!! Next, if that's a bit too extreme, how about we stop listing the Republican's in one column, and the Democrats in another? Just throw all the names up on the screen without any mention of what party they belong to and let the people choose. I know, I know..."Andy, you're crazy!!! You actually want people to look into the candidates and actually learn about who would be a better representative of themselves? !!!! That's not how a democracy works!!" Don't worry...neither party would ever let something like that happen. As for the idea that making your vote based on one decision made by a person or party despite their entire "body of work"...well...sometimes, that one decision can be a real deal breaker...or other times, that one decision might be what pulls people to vote in favor of that candidate...at least these folks are paying attention to decisions that are being made!! Then again...you can't just base your decision on someone's "body of work" in politics...especially since (in my opinion) we should have term limits, and thereby fresh faces in government every few years...which means there are going to be people who do not have a "body of work" to show off when they are running for office. But don't worry...neither party is going to put forth the idea of term limits either, so there's nothing to worry about their either. Andrew, your points are good and all the more reason why i hope we can continue to find out information on all of the candidates for each office as time goes on. But, this is a primary which is for the party people who want to get their candidate on the ballot for November. I have the ballot in front of me and there really isn't too much of interest. The Democrats will have no choices for any office but those who are nominated by the established part. On the GOP side, there are two races with choices. First the Sheriff race has incumbent Shaun Golden going against challenger Daniel Peters. OF the US House of representatives, we have incumbent and party choice Chris Smith being challenged by Alan Bateman who is listed as a Tea Party Republican. I do not know anything about either challenger, but at least GOP voters can cast a vote against the establishment candidates to send a message. Considering how both parties have been going, that is not a bad thing. On the rumor mill front and at the local level, last week i was bombarded with emails from different people in reference to a former Dem Councilman who may be looking for a write in vote as a Dem or an independent. I have no idea how serious this rumor is, but I hope it happens. It will give us something interesting about the November race and it will be permanent political suicide for that person, which is a very good thing. |
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Post by richardkelsey on Jun 7, 2010 13:29:55 GMT -5
This thread may have kicked off some good conversation, but sadly, none of it is about the topic of the thread. Brian, as for the part of your post that I highlighted...obviously I am not certain, but I don't think you were really expecting it last year...so don't dismiss the idea that it may happen again. And as for the voting habits of the voting public, let me be frank... First of all, in my own perfect world, no one would be allowed to vote unless they could name the candidates who were running for the positions they planned on voting for...and in the case of the Presidential race, you have to get the candidate for President and Vice President correct (would eliminate all those idiots who seemed to think Sarah Palin was running either for President, or for Vice President under Barack Obama...most of us saw the videos, let's not try to deny that these people exist). That's right, I would actually not allow people to vote if they were too ignorant to learn at least the names of the people running for office. Of course, the easiest way to achieve this...write in votes only!! Next, if that's a bit too extreme, how about we stop listing the Republican's in one column, and the Democrats in another? Just throw all the names up on the screen without any mention of what party they belong to and let the people choose. I know, I know..."Andy, you're crazy!!! You actually want people to look into the candidates and actually learn about who would be a better representative of themselves? !!!! That's not how a democracy works!!" Don't worry...neither party would ever let something like that happen. As for the idea that making your vote based on one decision made by a person or party despite their entire "body of work"...well...sometimes, that one decision can be a real deal breaker...or other times, that one decision might be what pulls people to vote in favor of that candidate...at least these folks are paying attention to decisions that are being made!! Then again...you can't just base your decision on someone's "body of work" in politics...especially since (in my opinion) we should have term limits, and thereby fresh faces in government every few years...which means there are going to be people who do not have a "body of work" to show off when they are running for office. But don't worry...neither party is going to put forth the idea of term limits either, so there's nothing to worry about their either. Andrew, your points are good and all the more reason why i hope we can continue to find out information on all of the candidates for each office as time goes on. But, this is a primary which is for the party people who want to get their candidate on the ballot for November. I have the ballot in front of me and there really isn't too much of interest. The Democrats will have no choices for any office but those who are nominated by the established part. On the GOP side, there are two races with choices. First the Sheriff race has incumbent Shaun Golden going against challenger Daniel Peters. OF the US House of representatives, we have incumbent and party choice Chris Smith being challenged by Alan Bateman who is listed as a Tea Party Republican. I do not know anything about either challenger, but at least GOP voters can cast a vote against the establishment candidates to send a message. Considering how both parties have been going, that is not a bad thing. On the rumor mill front and at the local level, last week i was bombarded with emails from different people in reference to a former Dem Councilman who may be looking for a write in vote as a Dem or an independent. I have no idea how serious this rumor is, but I hope it happens. It will give us something interesting about the November race and it will be permanent political suicide for that person, which is a very good thing. How does one who is politically dead commit suicide? :-) I saw that same chain of e-mails -- including actual postings from that former multi-party Councilman. It was shocking to read -- to say the least. In his own words -- he is ready to run again this year, and among his reasons for writing him in is that his is "ABLE." It must be news to his former dem colleagues who are running for re-election that they are "unable." Seriously though -- the more people who want to get into a participatory democracy and seek elected office, the better. Let the people decide who is able and unable. You know -- we have had this debate before on here -- where former elected officials or machine friends tell us that the re-election of certain people time and time again is due to the great job they are doing. To that -- I always say -- run without a party affiliation ("Democrat"), and let's see how you do. Party label determines the vote of 75-90% of most votes cast in any election. That is political research 101. Even those who claim to have no party affiliation are leaners. Moreover, some percentage of "independents" are prone to vote with the wind -- that is with or against a certain party. The number of people who actually vote on issues and candidates -- are remarkable small. However, those are the voters that Andrew wishes were the only ones permitted to vote. If only the world were perfect. |
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Post by BrianSullivan on Jun 7, 2010 15:06:03 GMT -5
How does one who is politically dead commit suicide? :-) I saw that same chain of e-mails -- including actual postings from that former multi-party Councilman. It was shocking to read -- to say the least. In his own words -- he is ready to run again this year, and among his reasons for writing him in is that his is "ABLE." It must be news to his former dem colleagues who are running for re-election that they are "unable." Seriously though -- the more people who want to get into a participatory democracy and seek elected office, the better. Let the people decide who is able and unable. You know -- we have had this debate before on here -- where former elected officials or machine friends tell us that the re-election of certain people time and time again is due to the great job they are doing. To that -- I always say -- run without a party affiliation ("Democrat"), and let's see how you do. Party label determines the vote of 75-90% of most votes cast in any election. That is political research 101. Even those who claim to have no party affiliation are leaners. Moreover, some percentage of "independents" are prone to vote with the wind -- that is with or against a certain party. The number of people who actually vote on issues and candidates -- are remarkable small. However, those are the voters that Andrew wishes were the only ones permitted to vote. If only the world were perfect. I really got a lot of emails about that former councilman. I checked his facebook page and he has over 900 friends. I can say, not all of them are his friends. I received emails from surprising people. I bet he runs along side Casa Freehold next. ;D Getting back to the off topic on hand, I understand the sentiment about the real need to educate votes. If people were better educated, party would mean less and those awful campaign signs and thirty second commercials would have no real affect. If there were limits placed as to who could vote, who gets to set that criteria? It would be a never ending battle. In the beginning of our history, the fear of uneducated votes was one reason why only certain people were aloud to vote. That was a part of the big compromise. Luckily through time, we have changed for the better and increased participation, as it should be. The reality is, we have a system of checks and balances that protects against the uneducated vote. That is why we are a republic and not a pure democracy. I agree with you, Rich the more who run the better. It makes for a better race with more choices for the people. When we see one party rule, it may be because they are great, or there simply isn't anyone challenging them. No matter how good a job incumbents might be doing, a healthy challenge is a good thing to keep them on their toes. At the Freehold level, I believe a case can be made that the Dems have done well. I believe many of the very problems we have complained about on this site are directly related to what we see when any one party rules for too long. One party is never goo, and uncontested elections are never good, no matter how good the party is. That applied at the county level too, until McMorrow busted that monopoly. Was the Monmouth County GOP doing a bad job? A strong case can be made in their favor by simply looking at the fact that this county is one of the tops in the nation. Being challenged was good for them in the end no matter how people view the county GOP. Of course a few indictments did not help them. At least we do not have that in our town. |
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Post by Mike Rosseel on Jun 9, 2010 6:39:29 GMT -5
Make this election out however you want too, I have three thoughts....
1. How did Pat Scarfi get more then 3 votes(her, her husband and Ted). I have asked all over town and not one person knows of her or anything she stands for. It saddens me in 2010, that people go out and vote strictly on party lines. This is a HUGE problem in America, that why idiots get elected to office and then we will all nuts here and complain about it. Not a very impressive showing for Freeholds GOP. Voting without knowing is the worse thing someone can do, Im not saying she isnt a good canidate, she maybe the best but right now, on one knows that!
2. Before people go off making more of this then it should be, the Dems really had no true draw to go out and vote, no real primary election or race. Before people make a huge deal out of 185-107 or 103 consider that.
3.I hope this years election is far different from last years. I hope all these canidates stay on course and run an election based on facts what they can or will try to do. NO Lies, no false promises. One thing of advice, lets start debate talks ASAP! If the GOP waits until the eleventh hour, and it doesnt happen, they have no one to blame but themselves.
IMHO, this past year has been a very controverisal year in politics in town. Alot of people are unhappy with the mayor and council. I hope people really give a solid look into all canidates and vote for the people that will best work for Freehold. Do not vote based on a "R" or "D", vote based on whats best for our town and our future. Should be interesting, and in the words of our admin, Let silly season begin!!! Humorous write in vote comment!
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Post by BrianSullivan on Jun 9, 2010 15:59:49 GMT -5
Make this election out however you want too, I have three thoughts.... 1. How did Pat Scarfi get more then 3 votes(her, her husband and Ted). I have asked all over town and not one person knows of her or anything she stands for. It saddens me in 2010, that people go out and vote strictly on party lines. This is a HUGE problem in America, that why idiots get elected to office and then we will all nuts here and complain about it. Not a very impressive showing for Freeholds GOP. Voting without knowing is the worse thing someone can do, Im not saying she isnt a good canidate, she maybe the best but right now, on one knows that! 2. Before people go off making more of this then it should be, the Dems really had no true draw to go out and vote, no real primary election or race. Before people make a huge deal out of 185-107 or 103 consider that. 3.I hope this years election is far different from last years. I hope all these canidates stay on course and run an election based on facts what they can or will try to do. NO Lies, no false promises. One thing of advice, lets start debate talks ASAP! If the GOP waits until the eleventh hour, and it doesnt happen, they have no one to blame but themselves. IMHO, this past year has been a very controverisal year in politics in town. Alot of people are unhappy with the mayor and council. I hope people really give a solid look into all canidates and vote for the people that will best work for Freehold. Do not vote based on a "R" or "D", vote based on whats best for our town and our future. Should be interesting, and in the words of our admin, Let silly season begin!!! Humorous write in vote comment! I agree with a lot of what you write, Mike. I do disagree with let silly season begin. It is way too early! You bring up some very good points about civility. I believe and predict that we will see a far more civil election year this year. I would bet that a few people learned that from last year. I have always said, in a small town like this it is so important for candidates, parties and their supporters to conduct themselves in a dignifies way. We have to treat each other as friends and neighbors and we have to be able to look each other in the eye after the election. Last year those who acted the worst paid for it thus backing up what I have always said. ( In my own defense, my civility went out the window only after public and malicious lies were being written about me and had nothing to gain or lose.) Last years cadidate who came in last place had nobody to blame but himself due to his own bad behavior. People see that sort of stuff and are turned off by it. I also believe it will be a boring election. The year after will be the one to watch. As for me, silly season will be real nice and easy. I still will not be active in any party and after what happened to me I will not be able to play a part in putting together a debate. That gives me the pleasure of sitting on the sidelines and watching the show. Of course, on this site I will also be going back to my past practice on not endorsing candidates or discussing my vote. |
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!!!! That's not how a democracy works!!" Don't worry...neither party would ever let something like that happen.