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Post by Mike Rosseel on Sept 30, 2009 11:13:26 GMT -5
Lets discuss facts and who you are supporting in the upcoming freehold election and why?
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Post by Mike Rosseel on Sept 30, 2009 11:20:53 GMT -5
i am a long time republican resident of freehold boro. Through the years i have voted primarly republican in our towns elections. From Lewindowsky, Kelsey to Steinberg Toubin and Rosseel Levine. This year i find myself having a hard time. Not because i nesscary think the canidates are bad but because i know nothing about them. Miller/Newman sounds nice but what are they standing for, what are there goals? Its only a month away and alot of freehold republicans are asking that question? With that being said, its hard to back people you know nothing about. Where are the answers?
on the other hand Marc Levine and Sharon Shutzer have done a good job. Our services are excellent in this town. Downtown events are doing well. Taxes and illegal alien issues kinda are irrelevant due to there hands being tied. why should we vote these 2 out? i cant come up with one reason? any help?
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Post by richardkelsey on Sept 30, 2009 13:35:57 GMT -5
i am a long time republican resident of freehold boro. Through the years i have voted primarly republican in our towns elections. From Lewindowsky, Kelsey to Steinberg Toubin and Rosseel Levine. This year i find myself having a hard time. Not because i nesscary think the canidates are bad but because i know nothing about them. Miller/Newman sounds nice but what are they standing for, what are there goals? Its only a month away and alot of freehold republicans are asking that question? With that being said, its hard to back people you know nothing about. Where are the answers? on the other hand Marc Levine and Sharon Shutzer have done a good job. Our services are excellent in this town. Downtown events are doing well. Taxes and illegal alien issues kinda are irrelevant due to there hands being tied. why should we vote these 2 out? i cant come up with one reason? any help? Kelsey/Lewindowski Progress with a Purpose That's vintage! That was also 23 years ago. According to your profile, you would have been 9. Don't get me wrong -- I would have taken the vote. :-) I can't answer the question posed -- but I wait with interest to read what Freehold taxpayers think. |
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Post by Mike Rosseel on Sept 30, 2009 17:19:09 GMT -5
lets just say my family was involved with your election. those were the days when the freehold GOP had some power. Cocktail parties, real meetings, good times~
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Post by admin on Oct 1, 2009 6:55:26 GMT -5
Kelsey? Kelsey who? Just kidding  For now I am not commenting on who I will vote for or why. All I will say is that I am fortunate enough to know, like and respect all four candidates. IMO, no matter what people may think of any of them, it is great that our town has a race to look at. It will challenge all of them to step up and do a better job, which is what counts. |
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Post by Mike Rosseel on Oct 1, 2009 9:16:33 GMT -5
agreed admin, but dont you think the GOP should be letting us kno why we should vote for them or what there plan is? to IMO, if its this late and you havent said anything then you dont kno what to say. In years pasted, phone calls were made way before this, literature was sent out, candidates were at cruise night....where is this now? what are we going on?
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Post by admin on Oct 1, 2009 9:33:59 GMT -5
agreed admin, but dont you think the GOP should be letting us kno why we should vote for them or what there plan is? to IMO, if its this late and you havent said anything then you dont kno what to say. In years pasted, phone calls were made way before this, literature was sent out, candidates were at cruise night....where is this now? what are we going on? You have good points, and I will meet you half way. I want to hear more from all the candidates. The Dems have a record to look at, but, I am interested in the future and who has better ideas to lead our town in a good direction. At this point, they all have to earn my votes. |
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Post by Mike Rosseel on Oct 1, 2009 10:26:29 GMT -5
i agree admin, thats my point. if there are no facts givin then you stay with the existing. I would love to here the 2 new guys ideas. that could certainly change peoples minds. i hope they have new fresh ideas so people will back them. as of right now, they dont exist. after this weekend theres only 4 weekends left to get out there, i hope someone lights a fire under there a$$
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Post by richardkelsey on Oct 1, 2009 14:05:45 GMT -5
agreed admin, but dont you think the GOP should be letting us kno why we should vote for them or what there plan is? to IMO, if its this late and you havent said anything then you dont kno what to say. In years pasted, phone calls were made way before this, literature was sent out, candidates were at cruise night....where is this now? what are we going on? Retail politics is the only way to be competitive there. As well documented, the dems enjoy an enormous voting edge each year. It is somewhere between 300-500 votes from which a GOP person starts from behind. This is why carrying the GOP label is so hard in a town that has a strong voting block for the other-side. Having said that -- Freehold is a small town -- and it can be one by a great, focused, structured campaign. That campaign needs to be aggressive, funded, and well organized. First and foremost -- it must go door to door and meet the voters and do just what Freeholdboy says -- tell them why they are running, and ask for there vote. That door knocking should have been started in the spring -- followed by targeted knocking now during the election period. (targeted voters -- independents and GOP voters) You need precinct captains, coffees, letter-writing, endorsements, and -- all based around strong issues, good opinions, and a solid plan. That is not easy -- and the absence of a well-structured, working party apparatus hurts a candidate -- plain and simple. Having two vibrant parties (or more) in any town is a plus. The same would be true in an all republican town. A town run by one party -- any party -- is a town with old ideas. If the town is dominated by a particular party or person for many years, old style machine politics, and a complete imagination are the old possible outcomes from such a scenario. That would be true in Freehold Township as it is in Freehold Borough. The responsibility for winning an election is on the candidate -- and that candidate must understand the challenge, build the right apparatus, and be competitive. Running elections just to run elections does not help a town -- nor would it help a party -- any party. The party -- whichever it might be -- needs a working structure, a message, and objectives. If you live in a town where your party is in the minority -- it is even more important for such a structure and planning. In fairness to the Freehold GOP -- and any town long out of power -- it is hard to re-build an apparatus from scratch to be competitive. Hard -- but not impossible. It is not impossible because one party rule always leads to voter disenchantment over time. The only question is, will you be there with the right people and the right message to win such an election. I think it is a positive step that the Borough has 4 qualified candidates running for office. Running, however, doesn't mean putting your name on the ballot. Running means do all the other things one expects in order to run a well-thought out, competitive, strong race that even if not won -- requires ideas from your side to be adopted. Such a race builds credibility, and helps you to be a voice and build an effective apparatus. That is the secondary challenge of a minority party. I don't have my boots on the ground there in Freehold. And, Frankly, the last time I was in town, I actually spent more time talking with the democrat candidate. In fact, contrary to the musing of some -- I know the two democrats better than the two Republicans. I will call around to the various family and friends and get some idea of what is going on -- but I agree -- the GOP should be getting out there and spreading their message. |
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Post by Mike Rosseel on Oct 1, 2009 15:11:29 GMT -5
your right Rich. I remember people walking door to door, letting people know your views and what your plan would be. Making calls to remind people to vote. Going to hudson manor and offering rides to the polls to those interested. Thats what serious candiates in the past have done. i dont see that dedication here. Why would people want to get out and help these 2 if there no helping themselves. Your correct freehold has a strong democrate hold and in the past the voting has been 300+ right off the bad. Thats not as much the truth as it used to be, they certainly have a lead but not that great anymore. Alot of people in Freehold dont want to vote on party lines, they want to vote on whats best for them and there families. If this elections goes off as expected, republicans will be coming out more then they would have normally for Christie as governor, another great opportonity missed by these two. This is a year where Republicans could have made a name for themselves in freehold, not nesscarly by winning but by getting people out and showing we have numbers too. sadly this has been missed out by these 2 canidates. I will bet you that when you see the numbers from freehold, you will see the numbers for Christie far far proceed the number for these 2, a really sad thing and a killer opportunity lost!
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Post by admin on Oct 2, 2009 7:37:31 GMT -5
Freeholdboy, You say that you are GOP but support our local Dems. It is amazing how much I hear similar statements from people in town. I have met many republicans that support the Mayor and some council members. On the other hand, I also hear hard core Democrats say just the opposite. Some of them will vote against the incumbents every time if given the opportunity.
I think it just goes to show that at the local level, it is not always about party and there are a lot of declared voters who are independent minded.
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Post by Mike Rosseel on Oct 2, 2009 8:58:48 GMT -5
i touched on that in my above post. i feel on a local level more then anything, you have to throw voting by party out the window. look, im happy to finally see a race in freehold, i hope people go out and vote and show that freehold residence do care. i look forward to that. alls i am saying is i wish the 2 canidated got there name and ideas out there early. think of it like this. im the average voter, and im pretty fired up so i go vote bc i want to kick our current governor out, now if this person is voting bc of the gov race, while in the booth they look down to the local level, they have heard of Marc and Sharon, so they just hit there names. Maybe if they had some info on the 2 others they would hav hit there names. i just really think they missed the boat this year, it should be a large turn out and it was a year to make some noise. Hopefully they can do that!
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Post by admin on Oct 2, 2009 9:11:31 GMT -5
Freeholdboy,
I will be starting a ne thread that you will be very happy about, based on your posts in this one.
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Post by Mike Rosseel on Oct 5, 2009 6:42:17 GMT -5
here we go, i hav to give credit where credit is do.......the local GOP did go around town this weekend. there letter they left was actually very informative and well done. hopefully it isnt alittle too late, hats off to them for trying to get there name out there!
see im not just one sided...lol
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Post by richardkelsey on Oct 5, 2009 12:50:46 GMT -5
here we go, i hav to give credit where credit is do.......the local GOP did go around town this weekend. there letter they left was actually very informative and well done. hopefully it isnt alittle too late, hats off to them for trying to get there name out there! see im not just one sided...lol Here is an idea -- I wonder if we can get a page or sub-category here that posts the campaign literature and or ads of the candidates. (May have to be scanned) It might be nice, if workable, to have a repository of the items that each side puts out. I could see where such things, particularly adds, direct mail, or other flyers might lead to healthy discussion here. |
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Post by admin on Oct 6, 2009 9:25:58 GMT -5
here we go, i hav to give credit where credit is do.......the local GOP did go around town this weekend. there letter they left was actually very informative and well done. hopefully it isnt alittle too late, hats off to them for trying to get there name out there! see im not just one sided...lol Here is an idea -- I wonder if we can get a page or sub-category here that posts the campaign literature and or ads of the candidates. (May have to be scanned) It might be nice, if workable, to have a repository of the items that each side puts out. I could see where such things, particularly adds, direct mail, or other flyers might lead to healthy discussion here. IF I can get campaign literature from both sides, I will post it. |
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