adefonzo
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Post by adefonzo on Sept 11, 2008 16:06:48 GMT -5
I'm under 45 years old.
I hunt.
I am a Republican reformer.
I have taken on the Republican Party establishment.
I have many children.
I have a spot on the national ticket as vice president with less than two years in the governor's office.
Who am I?
Teddy Roosevelt
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Post by admin on Sept 11, 2008 19:00:39 GMT -5
Good one! By coincidence, I just picked up a biography on Teddy. I look very forward to reading it.
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Post by truthinesshurts on Sept 11, 2008 19:29:25 GMT -5
I'm under 45 years old.
I hunt.
I am a Republican reformer.
I have taken on the Republican Party establishment.
I have many children.
I have a spot on the national ticket as vice president with less than two years in the governor's office.
Who am I? Teddy Roosevelt Which would all be a relevant comparitive if Caribou Barbie had graduated Phi Beta Kappa and magna cum laude (22nd is a class of 177) from Harvard and attended Columbia Law School, served in the State Assembly, as NYC Police Commissioner, as Asst. Secretary of the Navy, commanded a military regiment in time of war, and - quoting from Wikipedia for the sake of brevity - "He was a Progressive reformer who sought to move the dominant Republican Party into the Progressive camp. He distrusted wealthy businessmen and dissolved forty monopolistic corporations as a "trust buster". He was clear, however, to show he did not disagree with trusts and capitalism in principle but was only against corrupt, illegal practices. His "Square Deal" promised a fair shake for both the average citizen (through regulation of railroad rates and pure food and drugs) and the businessmen. He was the first U.S. president to call for universal health care and national health insurance. As an outdoorsman, he promoted the conservation movement, emphasizing efficient use of natural resources. After 1906 he attacked big business and suggested the courts were biased against labor unions." The two are far more dissimilar than alike, and I think TR would be horrified that you think his record is anything like that of that trashy, idiotic, corrupt woman. |
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adefonzo
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Post by adefonzo on Sept 12, 2008 6:02:14 GMT -5
hmmm...I sense someone who does not support the McCain Palin ticket...I wonder if "truthinesshurts" supports the Obama Biden ticket?
And if you do support that ticket...what are your thoughts on all the comparissons between John F Kennedy and Barack Obama? I hope you see them as at least as ridiculous as the comparrison made above...
The problem, of course, is that Obama is running for President...Palin was chosen as a Vice President.
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Post by admin on Sept 12, 2008 8:34:41 GMT -5
Lisa wrote: ....it should not be a surprise that some people who post on this board prefer the D Team. Not all FV posters are diehard Republicans
Very good observation. We do welcome all view points as long as they remain civil. I hope Truthiness turns into a frequent and civil participant. Other than calling someone trashy, Truthy's first post was a good one. A respectable challenge is good.
Lisa also wrote: And really, what relevance do such comparisons really have other than being of mildly trivial interest?
I think comparisons are natural, especially for a candidate who few know much about. As Andrew pointed out, there is the Obama/Kennedy comparison as well. Of course, with deeper digging as Truthy did, we can also see some strong dissimilarities. Kennedy had a lot of modern day Republican traits, such as the use of military and tax cuts. Obama is just the opposite on those. he will likely hike taxes through the roof and decimate our military. But, people see a great orator in Obama, something that is very Kennedy-ish.
Another comparison, not about leader, but events, is yesterday. How many people compared it to Pearl Harbor when it occurred? Of course the difference is, PH was a military target, yesterdays anniversary was about the murder of civilians. But, people did draw comparisons.
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Post by admin on Sept 12, 2008 9:00:09 GMT -5
I have to disagree, Brian, about truthiness's first post being a good one. copying, cutting and pasting aside, his/her only organic statement was not respectable towards a fellow American running for vice president. Sorry, I probably wasn't very clear. I do agree with your assessment about the organic statement. Civil disagreement with Palin would have been better. |
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Post by novillero on Sept 12, 2008 9:09:33 GMT -5
The comparisons are just fun.
I read Theodore Rex and TR was accomplished for a few other reasons. Just read the list above the columns of the Museum on Natural History in Manhattan.
To catalog TR's specific accomlishments, in and out of office, would take too long. He was a really interesting guy.
As to Truthiness, the trashy and idiotic comments aside, I would like to hear about the "corrupt" Palin - aside from "troopergate" or whatever they are calling it. I will comment on other Palin things outside of this post.
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Post by truthinesshurts on Sept 12, 2008 11:13:52 GMT -5
hmmm...I sense someone who does not support the McCain Palin ticket...I wonder if "truthinesshurts" supports the Obama Biden ticket? Not that it is any of yourbusiness , but I do not support the Democratic candidates. I intended to cast my vote for Senator McCain until he displayed a serious lack of critical thought in his choice of running mate. His remarks on Fox where he called Palin his "soulmate" and brought up her experience as a member of the PTA lost my vote. Her interview yesterday reinforced my decision. My vote will go to a third party or more likely I will not vote in the race at all. And none of which has anything to do with my point, which was that TR was a man of extraordinary accomplishments at the time of his running for VP. Sarah Palin? Not so much. |
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adefonzo
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Post by adefonzo on Sept 12, 2008 17:00:03 GMT -5
Alright...
The original post was an email I received from someone...it was posted just as an interesting comparison...dare I say even something a bit fun?
Truthiness...it was not my intention to somehow pry into who you were supporting...I did not mean to make it my business.
My question remains, though, to all those who do support Barack Obama...what thoughts do you have on the comparisons being made between him and JFK?
Lisa...I wouldn't even pretend to think that all posters on this site are Republicans...I can think of several instances in the past where I was disagreed with quite....shall we say.....passionately because of my supposed "Republican ideas". If it were all Republican's on here, it would be a rather boring site.
As for his choosing Sarah Palin over other, supposedly "more qualified" options...I have to disagree with all those who think this was a poor choice.
For myself, as I stated in another thread, I love the pick of Sarah Palin. I love the fact that the well known and often proven "Maverick" of Washington has chosen a relative outsider to help him really shake things up. If I wanted to shake up Congress, I would not choose another person from Congress' ranks who may have alliances and friendships that they would be less likely to jeopardize in that effort.
I would rather bring in an outsider...someone who has a tough demeanor, a no-nonsense approach to governing, and most importantly, someone who is in no way beholden to anyone in Washington. That's the type of person that can help really make some changes. And let me be completely honest...the fact that he was able to find that type of person in a woman was just a tremendous bonus, especially in a year when Hillary Clinton made the great strides that she did.
As for her experience...I would argue that she's at least as prepared to handle the job of President as any of the other candidates...and it is because she has held an executive position before.
I know...many discount this fact. Rudy Giuliani was bringing this up when he was still in the race for the Republican nomination...he was the only one with Executive experience. And whether or not everyone else agrees with it...apparently at least John McCain and Barack Obama agree with the idea that being a Mayor or a Governor (or a President) is a completely different ballgame than being a Senator or a Representative.
If anyone watched the Forum from Columbia University last night, both Candidates commented on the reality of being a mayor and how it was much different from being a Senator.
Basically it's the difference between between "the buck stops here" and being one voice in 50 (or 200+ in the house of Representatives)
In the end, of course, I have learned that people for the most part already have their minds made up...and those of us who do are about as likely to change our minds as it is likely the sun will not rise in tomorrow morning...barring, of course, some catastrophic development.
So...while I will continue to defend and support John McCain and Sarah Palin...I am under no delusions that I am actually changing anyone's mind...so there's no use getting too heated in a discussion about it.
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Post by truthinesshurts on Sept 12, 2008 17:59:23 GMT -5
Rudy Giuliani was bringing this up when he was still in the race for the Republican nomination...he was the only one with Executive experience. The only candidate with executive experience? What about Huckabee and Romney? |
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adefonzo
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Post by adefonzo on Sept 12, 2008 19:44:30 GMT -5
Rudy Giuliani was bringing this up when he was still in the race for the Republican nomination...he was the only one with Executive experience. The only candidate with executive experience? What about Huckabee and Romney? This is what happens when you try to rush and get a post out before leaving work...you don't proofread!!! Absolutely correct...I was trying to say that Rudy's big selling point on himself was that he was selling himself as the only one with executive experience who had actually been in charge during a world altering event. You're right...the way it was written was incorrect. |
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