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Post by admin on Aug 27, 2008 3:59:38 GMT -5
www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080826/GETPUBLISHED/808260439/1028/OPINIONFreehold - Freehold Borough Councilman Marc D. LeVine is calling for a statewide crackdown on New Jersey residents using out of state license plates for more than 60 days. This is the absolute limit, according to New Jersey Department of Motor Vehicle regulations. "I am hearing many resident complaints of cars parked in driveways and on borough streets for more than 60 days bearing out of state license plates. Many are from as far away as North Carolina, Tennessee and Washington State, were identification requirements seem to be far more lax. Our residents see this as not only unfair, but they also wonder whether or not these cars are properly insured and are safe on our roads." NJ MVC regulations require that an individual relocating to New Jersey from out of state has a 60 day grace period from the time they establish residency to register their automobile in New Jersey, title their vehicle in New Jersey and transfer an out of state drivers license to a New Jersey license. Despite their tough requirements, the Motor Vehicle Commission does not have enforcement agents and must rely on other public safety entities to uphold them. Councilman LeVine reached out to legisative aides in the Freehold Borough offices of Assemblywoman Caroline Cassagrande and was told that they recently contacted the office of the Attorney General, specifically regarding the Office of the Insurance Fraud Prosecutor's ability to pursue potential enforcement options. Apparently they were told that, generally, the office does not investigate claims that individuals do not carry NJ insurance. "One would think this should eventually become an area of concern, investigation and punitive measure, for that office," stated the Councilman. Also, what of the monies missing from the State Treasury as a result of lost fees for those not registering and licensingtheir vehicles through the New Jersey DMV? There is much to be considered here and the State has completely missed the boat on this entire issue." The Councilman will be speaking with local authorities to see what can be done to address the situation in his town and he will continue working with Assemblywoman Cassagrande's office and with other state legislators to deal with what he says is an inequity in the system and a loophole that must be closed in all fairness to those who comply with the State DMV's regulations. "This is a statewide problem and as long as loopholes like this one are permitted to exist in New Jersey for the cheaters to exploit, our residents will have diminished respect for our legislators and state agencies and they will have less confidence in those people's ability to address things that just should never have been allowed to get this far out of hand, in the first place."
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Post by ka19 on Aug 27, 2008 10:54:58 GMT -5
Good!
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Post by novillero on Aug 27, 2008 14:20:24 GMT -5
I think enforcement is the problem here and proving the case of 60 days...
but look to the schools... drop offs and pick ups for proof. otherwise how does a policeman justify monitoring cars for 60 days? How do they give a ticket to a guy who'll say, no just passing through...
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Post by admin on Aug 27, 2008 15:17:32 GMT -5
I think enforcement is the problem here and proving the case of 60 days... but look to the schools... drop offs and pick ups for proof. otherwise how does a policeman justify monitoring cars for 60 days? How do they give a ticket to a guy who'll say, no just passing through... I believe the initiative itself is worth exploring, but I agree with Novillero. Enforcement is going to be difficult. A cop cannot stop a car just because it has out of state plates. Then there is the issue of determining if the owner has been in our state for more than 60 days. I believe the solution, or at least part of it, has to come from community involvement. People need to report these plates and the police have to be prepared to document, document, and document some more for appropriate follow through. Even that would not be a perfect system, but at least it can take the comfort level away from those who are not registered as they should be. |
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Post by admin on Sept 18, 2008 5:33:54 GMT -5
www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080918/COMMUNITY/809180419/1285/LOCAL09LeVine addresses out-of-state plates FREEHOLD — Councilman Marc LeVine has a message for state residents: Stop driving around with out-of-state license plates. "How long is the state of New Jersey going to let this situation continue before addressing it properly and according to its own motor vehicle regulations?" LeVine asked in an e-mail. After hearing complaints from friends and relatives around the state, LeVine decided he wanted to take a stand against a problem that he says unfairly penalizes law-abiding residents whose vehicles are properly registered. Residents must register their vehicles in New Jersey within 60 days of establishing residency. An amended law passed last year requires violators to be subject to a maximum fine of $250 for the first offense, and up to $500 for a second offense. The third time a violator is caught without proper registration, the vehicle is impounded for at least 96 hours. The vehicle is not returned until the owner can provide proof of registration and insurance. Residents who fail to register their vehicles in this state have an unfair advantage, says LeVine, because they avoid paying New Jersey's high insurance rates and may even be able to skirt what he says are the state's "tough" qualifications to own and operate a vehicle. "I don't think it's fair to taxpayers," LeVine said. LeVine stresses that he is acting solely as a concerned citizen, not in his official capacity as a councilman. As a resident, LeVine says he has contacted state Assemblywoman Caroline Casagrande's office for help. Improper registration is an issue, says Casagrande (R-Monmouth). The problem is that there is a "massive" difficulty with enforcing the law, because it is difficult to prove, she says. The solution could be to rely on the local police and code enforcement officers to catch violators, suggested Casagrande. LeVine, for his part, has suggested fixes on the national and state level. One suggestion is to bring states together to discuss standardizing requirements for motor vehicle registration. Another suggestion is to establish a hotline through the state Motor Vehicle Commission. Complaints could be investigated by state and municipal authorities and, if verified, violators would receive summonses for failure to properly register their vehicles. The motor vehicle department is not an enforcement agency, said spokesman Mike Horan. Any crackdown may need to be addressed legislatively. Some progress has already been made in that direction with an amended bill passed by the state Legislature last year. The bill specifically required residents to change their registration after 60 days, and instituted punishments for violators. "Speaking to attention in recent years to crackdown on this issue, obviously there are concerns (about improper registration)," Horan said. Kim Predham: (732) 308-7752 or kpredham@app.com
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Post by admin on Sept 18, 2008 5:40:36 GMT -5
newstranscript.gmnews.com/news/2008/0917/front_page/013.htmlOut-of-state cars draw look BY CLARE MARIE CELANO Staff Writer FREEHOLD — Borough Councilman Marc Le Vine is concerned about what he said are "too many out-of-state license plates on vehicles on borough streets." Le Vine said he is working with state Assemblywoman Caroline Casagrande (RMonmouth and Mercer) to try to address this issue. He said he has received complaints from borough residents about vehicles with outof state license plates that are parked in their neighborhood for longer than the 60 days allowed by the New Jersey Motor Vehicles Commission (MVC). "I feel like we're being taken advantage of," the councilman said. According to Le Vine, the MVC allows people who move to New Jersey from another state 60 days from the time they move into their new town to establish a New Jersey license. The councilman said something needs to be done on a state level in regard to this issue. Le Vine said his concern right now is a personal initiative and not part of any formal or official action of the Borough Council. "I want to make this clear," he said. "This is me looking into the matter on my own as a resident and taxpayer, who just happens to be a town councilman." He said he may bring the issue to the council for further discussion at some point after he looks into the matter. Le Vine said in his opinion, state officials should discuss standardizing the requirements for motor vehicle registration so there is fairness and equality in the system nationally. "This is not a huge issue, but is something that is currently not fair and equitable," he said, adding that it could be a loophole some people may be exploiting for a variety of reasons. He cited unfair saving of insurance costs and having revoked driving privileges in another state as two possible reasons why someone might not want to register his car in New Jersey.
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Post by botaniseur on Sept 18, 2008 12:55:42 GMT -5
I agree, enforcement would be a nightmare and lets face it...it has the appearance of a witch hunt against illegals, the last thing this town needs is another bit of bad pr.
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Post by adefonzo on Sept 18, 2008 14:43:03 GMT -5
I agree, enforcement would be a nightmare and lets face it...it has the appearance of a witch hunt against illegals, the last thing this town needs is another bit of bad pr. This is exactly the type of attitude that the advocacy groups love to hear. When can we just say, the law is the law and if you're breaking the law, you deserve to be punished? I mean, honestly...why have laws and regulations at all? Driving is a privilege, not a right. If you want to drive in this state, there are rules that have to be followed...belive me, I have broken my share of them and been punished accordingly. It has nothing to do with illegal immigrants, it has to do with breaking the law...plain and simple. Have we gotten to the point where anything we might try to do to deal with the law being broken is going to be viewed as targeting the illegal immigrant population in town? Well, if that's the case, then anything we do is going to get a negative reaction from advocacy groups...so I guess we should just continue to shut up, say nothing, do nothing, and just continue to let them rip more and more of our tax dollars from our pockets to pay for those who continue to not contribute their share. Great idea...you should run for public office |
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Sept 18, 2008 20:13:05 GMT -5
Botaniseur -- how do you get to the conclusion that it sounds like "a witch hunt against illegals?" I'm curious as to how you believe this is the case. Actually, a lot of people register in other states to save $$$ on insurance because they can't afford the high cost of NJ auto insurance. ." How do YOU get to the conclusion? I'm curious as to how you believe this is the case. Have you spoken with insurance actuaries and underwriters about specific vehicles? Can you provide a few actual real life examples? |
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Post by admin on Sept 18, 2008 20:22:13 GMT -5
Botaniseur -- how do you get to the conclusion that it sounds like "a witch hunt against illegals?" I'm curious as to how you believe this is the case. Actually, a lot of people register in other states to save $$$ on insurance because they can't afford the high cost of NJ auto insurance. ." How do YOU get to the conclusion? I'm curious as to how you believe this is the case. Have you spoken with insurance actuaries and underwriters about specific vehicles? Can you provide a few actual real life examples? I would say that Lisa's statement is not far off at all. NJ has some of the highest, if not the highest, car insurance in the nation. People may want our higher wages, but if they can get away with paying less insurance, some will. I know of people who have done it. Is it epidemic? Who knows, but it does happen. One need not talk to actuaries or underwriters to come to the conclusion Lisa did. As per the previous discussions on this thread, enforcement is difficult. It would be a stretch to get some accurate numbers. |
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Sept 18, 2008 20:53:15 GMT -5
I agree, enforcement would be a nightmare and lets face it...it has the appearance of a witch hunt against illegals, the last thing this town needs is another bit of bad pr. This is exactly the type of attitude that the advocacy groups love to hear. When can we just say, the law is the law and if you're breaking the law, you deserve to be punished? I mean, honestly...why have laws and regulations at all? Driving is a privilege, not a right. If you want to drive in this state, there are rules that have to be followed...belive me, I have broken my share of them and been punished accordingly. It has nothing to do with illegal immigrants, it has to do with breaking the law...plain and simple. Have we gotten to the point where anything we might try to do to deal with the law being broken is going to be viewed as targeting the illegal immigrant population in town? Well, if that's the case, then anything we do is going to get a negative reaction from advocacy groups...so I guess we should just continue to shut up, say nothing, do nothing, and just continue to let them rip more and more of our tax dollars from our pockets to pay for those who continue to not contribute their share. Great idea...you should run for public office The harsh truth is, having out of state plates is not probable cause for a police stop! SO the only legal method of enforcement (on the streets) is to wait for a first offense/ moving violation to occur, which is what any good law enforcement agency should be doing any way. Lets look at Jim Bob with Maryland or North Carolina plates runs a light, or is talking on his cell phone, or has no seatbelt on...officer Smith pulls Jim bob over, issues the summons and Jim Bob pay the fine.... Two months later, theres Jim Bob again with Maryland or North Carolina plates runs a light or is talking on his cell phone, or has no seatbelt on...AND AGAIN...officer Smith pulls Jim bob over, issues the summons, only now Office smith is asking Jim Bob why he still has Maryland or North Carolina plates? Jim Bobs answer is, I come up every few weeks to visit my family, whats officer smith gonna do? Ask Jim Bob a lot of questions about his family here to trip him up for a GOTCHA?  Is office Smith gonna check Jim Bobs odometer to prove the mileage is to lower and does not account for the round trips? Are any of officers Smiths question really legal, what is the PROBABLE cause that justifies officer Smiths probing questions? A judge as well as a defense Lawyer would have a field day with Officer Smith. OK.., I had a coworker that would drive up to NJ at least one a month, from Raleigh-Durham NC. He hated to fly.plus the company would pay him .55 per mile (1500k miles round trip, ...nice). Should we pull this business person over because he's visiting once every month for the last 5 years? If your gonna crack down, you need to crack down on EVERYONE!!! And I am sorry to say....Law Enforcment will not pull over the Snow Birds from Monroe, and Covered Bridge with FL plates. So there must be another solution. We need to fix the problem not hypothisise over a sympton.... One very viable, very easy, and very precise (and very pleasing) solution will be announce very soon! I promise!  |
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Sept 18, 2008 21:16:32 GMT -5
"a lot of people register in other states to save $$$ on insurance because they can't afford the high cost of NJ auto insurance." How do YOU get to the conclusion? I'm curious as to how you believe this is the case. Have you spoken with insurance actuaries and underwriters about specific vehicles? Can you provide a few actual real life examples? I would say that Lisa's statement is not far off at all. NJ has some of the highest, if not the highest, car insurance in the nation. People may want our higher wages, but if they can get away with paying less insurance, some will. I know of people who have done it. Is it epidemic? Who knows, but it does happen. One need not talk to actuaries or underwriters to come to the conclusion Lisa did. As per the previous discussions on this thread, enforcement is difficult. It would be a stretch to get some accurate numbers. Brian, thank your for answering on behalf of lisa...sorry but wrong answer... Insurance has MUCH LESS to do with the issue of out of state Vehicles. Problem is there are states that require very little ID and/or have antiquated poorly implemented computer systems and highly porous validation-cross reference of ID...It is the easy Drivers license and NOT the insurance that is the culprit. Now lets compare car insurance rates for, say an 07 Mustang in NJ against rates in Brooklyn, Queens, SI, Manhattan, Bronx or Nassau county even, and NJ is a BARGAIN (did this make you feel better about what your paying!!!) Hey, for the 3rd DWI on a NJ license, just go to North Carolina and get a New License there...There is no National Drivers License computer cross reference, only voluntary state to state reciprocity agreements, and sometimes these agreements fail if the computer systems are not fully linked with updated ported information. Again, all there system are to keep honest people honest, and the individuals with criminal intent will find a way to get over on the system. Again, all this is a symptom to the real problem, that needs a real cure. |
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Post by admin on Sept 19, 2008 6:30:06 GMT -5
I would say that Lisa's statement is not far off at all. NJ has some of the highest, if not the highest, car insurance in the nation. People may want our higher wages, but if they can get away with paying less insurance, some will. I know of people who have done it. Is it epidemic? Who knows, but it does happen. One need not talk to actuaries or underwriters to come to the conclusion Lisa did. As per the previous discussions on this thread, enforcement is difficult. It would be a stretch to get some accurate numbers. Brian, thank your for answering on behalf of lisa...sorry but wrong answer... Insurance has MUCH LESS to do with the issue of out of state Vehicles. Problem is there are states that require very little ID and/or have antiquated poorly implemented computer systems and highly porous validation-cross reference of ID...It is the easy Drivers license and NOT the insurance that is the culprit. Now lets compare car insurance rates for, say an 07 Mustang in NJ against rates in Brooklyn, Queens, SI, Manhattan, Bronx or Nassau county even, and NJ is a BARGAIN (did this make you feel better about what your paying!!!) Hey, for the 3rd DWI on a NJ license, just go to North Carolina and get a New License there...There is no National Drivers License computer cross reference, only voluntary state to state reciprocity agreements, and sometimes these agreements fail if the computer systems are not fully linked with updated ported information. Again, all there system are to keep honest people honest, and the individuals with criminal intent will find a way to get over on the system. Again, all this is a symptom to the real problem, that needs a real cure. I was not answering on behalf of Lisa, just adding some support for her view that you appear to put down. You asked for examples. I am aware of such examples of people from PA not registering in our state because of insurance. You are right about the fraudulent ID issues, that is a part of the equation, just as insurance is. One would have to be naive to think insurance is not a reason for the problem. The fraudulent ID is just a part of it and that only pertains to those who are trying to hide their ID. That certainly is not the only reason for people not registering. Another good reason is laziness. A person moves here and is in the middle of taking care of many new things such as getting a job, etc, it is easy enough to forget to register by the deadline. Another thing, I have also had some discreet and candid discussions with members of the law enforcement community on this subject, but I will not go too far into that. And Fiber, do you have proof of having spoken with actuaries and underwriters so as to be so self righteous as to put down Lisa's very valid point? |
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Sept 19, 2008 8:18:12 GMT -5
Brian, thank your for answering on behalf of lisa...sorry but wrong answer... Insurance has MUCH LESS to do with the issue of out of state Vehicles. Problem is there are states that require very little ID and/or have antiquated poorly implemented computer systems and highly porous validation-cross reference of ID...It is the easy Drivers license and NOT the insurance that is the culprit. Now lets compare car insurance rates for, say an 07 Mustang in NJ against rates in Brooklyn, Queens, SI, Manhattan, Bronx or Nassau county even, and NJ is a BARGAIN (did this make you feel better about what your paying!!!) Hey, for the 3rd DWI on a NJ license, just go to North Carolina and get a New License there...There is no National Drivers License computer cross reference, only voluntary state to state reciprocity agreements, and sometimes these agreements fail if the computer systems are not fully linked with updated ported information. Again, all there system are to keep honest people honest, and the individuals with criminal intent will find a way to get over on the system. Again, all this is a symptom to the real problem, that needs a real cure. I was not answering on behalf of Lisa, just adding some support for her view that you appear to put down. You asked for examples. I am aware of such examples of people from PA not registering in our state because of insurance. You are right about the fraudulent ID issues, that is a part of the equation, just as insurance is. One would have to be naive to think insurance is not a reason for the problem. The fraudulent ID is just a part of it and that only pertains to those who are trying to hide their ID. That certainly is not the only reason for people not registering. Another good reason is laziness. A person moves here and is in the middle of taking care of many new things such as getting a job, etc, it is easy enough to forget to register by the deadline. Another thing, I have also had some discreet and candid discussions with members of the law enforcement community on this subject, but I will not go too far into that. And Fiber, do you have proof of having spoken with actuaries and underwriters so as to be so self righteous as to put down Lisa's very valid point? Not going to e'BATE a symptom. Going all the way to North Carolina, South Caroline, Georgia, Washington State and maybe even Maryland is a very far distance to drive, just to be an insurance cheater, sure we see a few plates from PA, and Del, but there is a VERY large number of plates from many, MANY other states too. as I stated, if your have a DWI, or you license had soooo many points the d**n NBA wants you, I know a FEW who reestablish residence in a neighboring state. But the core problem remains the ease in-which some states make it for obtaining a Drivers License to people that shouldn't be licensed. Its almost as easy as getting an on-line PHD (Opps wrong story but it should be talked about more here too ;D This guy is fleecing the taxpayers) Again, Get an insurance quote on your vehicle with a NYC address and your quoted will 25%, 50% or more than what your paying in NJ. I believe that Forrest Hills, Queens has some of the highest Insurance rates in the East. I had NJM and their rates were very low, but I understand that not everyone can join. And another thing about the perception that NJ insurance is high...look around you when your drive in NJ, you Will notice that there a soooo many NEW and late model cars. NJ has a very high number of New and Late Model cars on the road per-capita, compared to other states, so there is per-Capita a higher liability on the road every day in the State of NJ. Look at how many SUV's you see here every day, and go to other states....you will not see as many (per capita). We have A LOT of people in this state that like their BMW's, Mercedes, Lexus, (More"luxury" cars per capita) and we are a no fault state...again, statistically there is a higher liability on our roads in NJ. But back to the topic. It is the ease of obtaining a drivers license that creates these symptoms. Will we ever see a National Drivers License system that may present a resolution to this issue, BIG NO!!! ACLU will not let it happen, they will turn it into a violation of some amendment and say its really National ID card. NOW on the other hand....a NATIONAL list of your DWI record that is reported to EVERY State's (and US territory) DMV is a terrific Idea that can fix some of this problem. Locally, there can be a way, and It will be presented very soon! BTW....And my Nephew is a Sr. Actuary for a top 3 Insurance Company. |
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Post by admin on Sept 19, 2008 8:33:37 GMT -5
I was not answering on behalf of Lisa, just adding some support for her view that you appear to put down. You asked for examples. I am aware of such examples of people from PA not registering in our state because of insurance. You are right about the fraudulent ID issues, that is a part of the equation, just as insurance is. One would have to be naive to think insurance is not a reason for the problem. The fraudulent ID is just a part of it and that only pertains to those who are trying to hide their ID. That certainly is not the only reason for people not registering. Another good reason is laziness. A person moves here and is in the middle of taking care of many new things such as getting a job, etc, it is easy enough to forget to register by the deadline. Another thing, I have also had some discreet and candid discussions with members of the law enforcement community on this subject, but I will not go too far into that. And Fiber, do you have proof of having spoken with actuaries and underwriters so as to be so self righteous as to put down Lisa's very valid point? Not going to e'BATE a symptom. Going all the way to North Carolina, South Caroline, Georgia, Washington State and maybe even Maryland is a very far distance to drive, just to be an insurance cheater, sure we see a few plates from PA, and Del, but there is a VERY large number of plates from many, MANY other states too. as I stated, if your have a DWI, or you license had soooo many points the d**n NBA wants you, I know a FEW who reestablish residence in a neighboring state. But the core problem remains the ease in-which some states make it for obtaining a Drivers License to people that shouldn't be licensed. Its almost as easy as getting an on-line PHD (Opps wrong story but it should be talked about more here too ;D This guy is fleecing the taxpayers) Again, Get an insurance quote on your vehicle with a NYC address and your quoted will 25%, 50% or more than what your paying in NJ. I believe that Forrest Hills, Queens has some of the highest Insurance rates in the East. I had NJM and their rates were very low, but I understand that not everyone can join. And another thing about the perception that NJ insurance is high...look around you when your drive in NJ, you Will notice that there a soooo many NEW and late model cars. NJ has a very high number of New and Late Model cars on the road per-capita, compared to other states, so there is per-Capita a higher liability on the road every day in the State of NJ. Look at how many SUV's you see here every day, and go to other states....you will not see as many (per capita). We have A LOT of people in this state that like their BMW's, Mercedes, Lexus, (More"luxury" cars per capita) and we are a no fault state...again, statistically there is a higher liability on our roads in NJ. But back to the topic. It is the ease of obtaining a drivers license that creates these symptoms. Will we ever see a National Drivers License system that may present a resolution to this issue, BIG NO!!! ACLU will not let it happen, they will turn it into a violation of some amendment and say its really National ID card. NOW on the other hand....a NATIONAL list of your DWI record that is reported to EVERY State's (and US territory) DMV is a terrific Idea that can fix some of this problem. Locally, there can be a way, and It will be presented very soon! BTW....And my Nephew is a Sr. Actuary for a top 3 Insurance Company. You bring up many good points in your posts on this subject. I am just trying to figure why you singled out and jumped on Lisa's comment which was a good point as well. All of the dialog in this thread demonstrates the many facets of the issue and the difficulty in enforcemnt of it. |
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Sept 19, 2008 8:40:42 GMT -5
Fiber! Where ya been? It's good to see you posting again. I hope the family is very well and the kids are enjoying their new school season. Now, to answer your question, I actually knew of a few people who did just that. One had PA plates, another and DE and another had NY. To be fair to the councilman and others who agree, why SHOULD such folks get away with paying so little in auto insurance when I and other NJ residents with NJ auto plates cannot? So, this is the basis of my knowledge -- first-hand experience. BTW, not one of these folks was an illegal resident from a foreign nation. All home-grown United Statians! Again...we see a fewer plates from PA, and Del, and there ARE a VERY large number of plates from many, MANY other states. Going all the way to North Carolina, South Caroline, Georgia, Washington State and maybe even Maryland is a very far distance to drive, just to be an insurance cheater. Its the easy DL!~ And again...if your have a DWI, or you license had soooo many points because your a crappy driver, thats when you reestablish residence in a neighboring state. Again the core concern remains the ease in-which some states make it for obtaining a Drivers License to people that shouldn't be licensed. In the very early 90's I had two car accidents withing a year, and my New (ish) car was finally totaled, and the replacement car would have cost me over $4500 a year to insure. I could have used another family members LI address and applied for a NY state DL, but I know this was not ethical, and also a hassle to keep up with papers, driving to LI a few times a year and so on.... so I chose to buy and drive a a high mileage 6 year old Pontiac Sunbird because that cars insurance I could then afford.( actually that was one of the most reliable cars I ever owned drove it to 160,000 miles and it never failed to start on the coldest winders morning, never overheated on the hottest summers day) SO back to the big question, how do you enforce the law that says after 60 days you must relicense and re-register in you new home state!!!!! If it was enforced appropriately locally, these drivers would chose conduct themselves elsewhere. Stay tunes for the answer. |
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Sept 19, 2008 9:24:02 GMT -5
why you singled out and jumped on Lisa's comment which was a good point as well. Brian, now your being silly. And to answer Botaniseur, I'll start with a question -- Why do we have laws? Lets face it....a lot of people buy guns in other states because they are not allowed to in NJ (for one reason or another). So should we allow this too? Let's examine Botaniseur question further..., you can not afford Insurance in NJ, so you go all the way to North Caroline, buy a car, register and Insure there drive 750 miles back to NJ to live in an appartment you can't afford the high cost of either (so you over crowd it because the rent is too high). Then why chose to live where you can not aford the transprotation nor the living expence? Good bye! |
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Sept 19, 2008 9:33:01 GMT -5
We can quibble all day over what state license plates we as individuals see, a fart in a windstorm? Classy response! I will not quibble over hearsay, neysa, anecdotally tales of conjuncture because then there is the reality of the facts that must be faced. Bye... |
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Sept 19, 2008 9:48:22 GMT -5
there are people going to any state, often where they have relatives or friends whose addresses they can use -- to cheat NJ insurance. Well, if you know this as fact, did you contact the authorities, file reports, and fulfilled you civic responsibilities ? Insurance fraud is a crime, in many instances a Federal Crime...what have you done to help enforcement? What would you tell us to help prosecute. Have you called the NJ Office of Insurance Fraud Prosecutor and what have they told you? here I'll start... www.njinsurancefraud.org/ www.state.nj.us/mvc/Vehicle/InsuranceFraud.htmInsurance fraud RELATED LINKS Insurance Fraud Office Insurance fraud is defined as providing false information to an insurance company while making a claim or submitting an insurance application, resulting in: Incarceration Up to $15,000 in civil fines for each violation Loss of driver license How to report fraud To help the Office of Insurance Fraud Prosecutor (OIFP), report fraud by e-mail, online or by calling (877) 55-FRAUD (553-7283). Fraud increases the cost of insurance for all New Jersey drivers – please don't hesitate if you suspect something. All tips are kept strictly anonymous and confidential. |
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Sept 19, 2008 10:40:19 GMT -5
Unleash the righteous goon squad on me, Fiber, no, I did not contact any authorities. Come on you can do better than that, as a Site admin, I would expect that you, like Brian, would provide concerned readers with solutions with answers like....Each state had an Auto Insurance Fraud agency, a list posted here cant hurt. Here I'll start if you suspect insurance fraud, here are a few agencies to report this dastardly offense against the honest hardworking Boropeep'sWhere to report PA Plates Insurance Fraud How can I help in the fight against fraud? You can fight the epidemic of insurance fraud and make a difference. Contact the Pennsylvania Attorney General's Office at (717) 787-0272 or the Insurance Fraud Prevention Authority at 1-888-565-IFPA to report suspected fraud. Insurance Fraud The Cost of Insurance Fraud More expensive than the Los Angeles riots, the flood of 1996, the Oakland forest fire and Hurricane Andrew combined... What is Insurance Fraud? In Pennsylvania, insurance fraud is a felony crime. Here another source of good information about insurance Crime www.nicb.org/cps/rde/xchg/nicb/hs.xsl/18.htm |
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Sept 19, 2008 11:50:25 GMT -5
Unleash the righteous goon squad on me, Fiber, no, I did not contact any authorities. I am suggesting that insurance fraud is a smaller part to the bigger issue of out of town plates. So getting all worked up, with an autocrates analogous to an unleashed "righteous goon squad" is a bazaar comment. Really, I do not get the need for the name calling, thats not really taking the prme time high road is it. The High road would be .... "What an interesting opinion, I will disagree for the following reasons, yhata, yhata, yhata, .... but thank you for adding to the thread!" Now thats a great idea, now try it, repeat after me.... "thank you for adding to the thread!" ;D |
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Sept 19, 2008 13:23:30 GMT -5
OH, please! Read for comprehension. You asked me straight if I did anything about the illegal plate situation by calling the authorities in what I discerned as an effort to discredit me if I didn't do my civic duty. I didn't call any authority back then as I had posted and I anticipated some righteous indignation response because of it. This has nothing to do with high or low roads. It has to do with reading for comprehension and discernment. Stop with the snipes and barbs, your better than that. It is human nature to add personal anecdotal instances to help build credibility to ones opinions. I like facts backed by stats work much better than geshikhte. You see insurance fraud as the real issue, and will not comprehend the real driver (pardon the pun of this semi issue. I had along chat with Supervisory Special Agents from PA's AGs insurance fraud office and there are ongoing meeting with NJ, NY and PA AG offices to address this very complex issue. Here are even MORE resources that readers can use to report suspicious PA cars! www.attorneygeneral.gov/complaints.aspx?id=51PA INSURANCE FRAUD REFERRALS
We receive referrals from a number of different sources: the insurance industry, businesses, employees, concerned citizens and other state or law enforcement agencies. If you suspect someone is committing insurance fraud, you are encouraged to submit an Insurance Fraud Referral Form.www.attorneygeneral.gov/ComplaintFormsIFS/private_ins_form.aspx |
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Post by botaniseur on Sept 19, 2008 16:50:56 GMT -5
Oh I'm sorry Lisa, you come off as really nasty.Anyone in this town that read that article has no doubt that the estemeed councilman is absolutely referring to the illegal population in this town. It is frustration and a grasping at straws effort because nothing else has worked..the problem is worse. I support every single illegal immigrant being deported, but that doesnt mean I cant see through this ridiculous attempt to chase them. Here's a clue..the police cant enforce these residency laws on private property, and yes everyone will just say "passing through"..end game.
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cloris
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Power to the peeps!
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Post by cloris on Sept 20, 2008 7:08:00 GMT -5
OH, please! Read for comprehension. You asked me straight if I did anything about the illegal plate situation by calling the authorities in what I discerned as an effort to discredit me if I didn't do my civic duty. I didn't call any authority back then as I had posted and I anticipated some righteous indignation response because of it. This has nothing to do with high or low roads. It has to do with reading for comprehension and discernment. Lisa, You made some good points in a very tasteful way. I think it is an interesting reflection that a council candidate would be so quick to talk down to a person who is simply making a good point. Makes me wonder what we would see if he was elected. |
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Post by botaniseur on Sept 20, 2008 19:56:45 GMT -5
A bigot? please enlighten me. You obviously are way to intelligent for me.
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Post by jmania on Sept 27, 2008 17:48:14 GMT -5
Hi all!
I want to thank Lisas84 for her plug. I was shocked to see my name and the Agency on this blog I had to read it twice to make sure I wasn't seeing things. Thank you for the wonderful comments, that was very sweet. I am still there so call me some time.
Thanks again,
JoAnn
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Post by admin on Sept 28, 2008 8:48:45 GMT -5
Hi all! I want to thank Lisas84 for her plug. I was shocked to see my name and the Agency on this blog I had to read it twice to make sure I wasn't seeing things. Thank you for the wonderful comments, that was very sweet. I am still there so call me some time. Thanks again, JoAnn Hello JoAnn, I see you have been registered for quite some time. I hope we hear more from you. Brian |
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Is office Smith gonna check Jim Bobs odometer to prove the mileage is to lower and does not account for the round trips? Are any of officers Smiths question really legal, what is the PROBABLE cause that justifies officer Smiths probing questions? A judge as well as a defense Lawyer would have a field day with Officer Smith.