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Post by admin on Aug 4, 2008 15:05:00 GMT -5
www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080804/OPINION04/808040303/1032Legal citizens not placed first Aformer 42-year resident of Freehold Borough, I served on the governing body as a councilman. I have many family and friends there. It's time to retire the current governing body before they do more harm. The influx of illegals into the county seat is the direct result of a one-party administration too long in office. Councilman Mark LeVine's plan for a review board to monitor rentals is ludicrous without enforcement powers. His July 17 letter, "Seeking return to old values," speaks volumes as to his position on the occupation of my hometown by illegals. Who pays for the children going to public school? Who pays for fire and police protection and health care for these intruders? The vote by council of a 3 percent raise for themselves and then seeking a giveback by borough employees in terms of benefit costs sure sounds like a club to enrich themselves. It's time to issue a recall election. W.J. Eugene Kelsey FREEHOLD TOWNSHIP
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Post by admin on Aug 4, 2008 15:26:09 GMT -5
I re-posted this letter, although it was posted, because it was quickly lost in some back in forth between participants. I believe a letter like this, or any other, should first stand on its own before the attack dogs pull it apart.
When ever I read a letter like this, I take it for what it is, a view point. And thankfully, all view points do count. IMO, this was a fairly tame letter. A very short, simple and to the point letter that reflects the authors sentiments. That is to be respected and in the case of Mr. Kelsey who continues to write letters to the papers, it is to be commended. This letter could have been about the long line of failures the Dems in Freehold have been responsible for, but it was not. It was a short to the point letter.
Letters like this are not always about solutions, although, there are a couple that jump out. It is about expression that we all enjoy under our much valued freedom of speech. It is about our ability to express our discontent with our our elected leaders. We, as a people, have to keep them in check and any elected leaders who are intimidated by that are the first ones who should go.
I say kudos to Mr. Kelsey for taking the time to share his views that many share and others may not. It is a shame that more do not take the time to speak up and get involved.
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Post by misterpr1981 on Aug 4, 2008 16:30:43 GMT -5
Brian, you can re-post this weak piece of GOP propaganda all the live long day and it still remains what it is...an anti illegal immigration letter (that aspect is fine) that is also anti-democrat and, especially, anti-Mike Wilson. Let's not forget that there is always that axe to grind. Readers must understand that this call to war is written by a former old guard GOP politico in support of his party line. It's been rushed to the papers during a tough election year before a once beaten GOP candidate gets a fork stuck in him to close out his political career, allowing him to continue the one that should be earning his family a living.
And, who gets attacked here. Why of course it's the Councilperson who is getting some great kudos and terrific press for the work he is doing with the NPC, rental advisory board, etc. All positive stuff that makes a malcontent want to slit his wrists. And this letter? Its publication makes perfect sense and the timing is designed to make Mama Miller beam coming at the heals of her sonny boy's recent editorial rant of sound and fury signifying nothing about the impact of $210 on a multimillion budget.
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Post by admin on Aug 4, 2008 16:39:27 GMT -5
Brian, you can re-post this weak piece of GOP propaganda all the live long day and it still remains what it is...an anti illegal immigration letter (that aspect is fine) that is also anti-democrat and, especially, anti-Mike Wilson. Let's not forget that there is always that axe to grind. Readers must understand that this call to war is written by a former old guard GOP politico in support of his party line. It's been rushed to the papers during a tough election year before a once beaten GOP candidate gets a fork stuck in him to close out his political career, allowing him to continue the one that should be earning his family a living. And, who gets attacked here. Why of course it's the Councilperson who is getting some great kudos and terrific press for the work he is doing with the NPC, rental advisory board, etc. All positive stuff that makes a malcontent want to slit his wrists. And this letter? Its publication makes perfect sense and the timing is designed to make Mama Miller beam coming at the heals of her sonny boy's recent editorial rant of sound and fury signifying nothing about the impact of $210 on a multimillion budget. Very funny post! Thank you for the entertainment! |
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Post by misterpr1981 on Aug 4, 2008 16:50:38 GMT -5
They say those things that hold humor also bear truth....
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Post by admin on Aug 4, 2008 16:58:52 GMT -5
They say those things that hold humor also bear truth.... Don't get me wrong, your post and your views are always welcome. You do an outstanding job of bringing the left wing views out in the open. Your compassion, tolerance and respect toward others really shines. You represent the left as CR does the open borders crowd. This is all the beauty of this site, there is room for all here. AS I always say, we do cherish our freedom of speech and take advantage of that here. |
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Post by misterpr1981 on Aug 4, 2008 17:40:02 GMT -5
Brian, you did an amazing job of totally circumventing my original post, by changing the subject completely. And by immediately tagging my views as "left wing," you're using that to evade any sense of answering my initial argument. That says a lot about your initial position.
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Post by bergsteiger on Aug 4, 2008 19:04:11 GMT -5
Brian, you can re-post this weak piece of GOP propaganda all the live long day and it still remains what it is...an anti illegal immigration letter (that aspect is fine) that is also anti-democrat and, especially, anti-Mike Wilson. Let's not forget that there is always that axe to grind. Readers must understand that this call to war is written by a former old guard GOP politico in support of his party line. It's been rushed to the papers during a tough election year before a once beaten GOP candidate gets a fork stuck in him to close out his political career, allowing him to continue the one that should be earning his family a living. And, who gets attacked here. Why of course it's the Councilperson who is getting some great kudos and terrific press for the work he is doing with the NPC, rental advisory board, etc. All positive stuff that makes a malcontent want to slit his wrists. And this letter? Its publication makes perfect sense and the timing is designed to make Mama Miller beam coming at the heals of her sonny boy's recent editorial rant of sound and fury signifying nothing about the impact of $210 on a multimillion budget. Ok, admit it |
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Aug 4, 2008 22:03:59 GMT -5
Its publication makes perfect sense and the timing is designed to make Mama Miller beam coming at the heals of her sonny boy's recent editorial rant of sound and fury signifying nothing about the impact of $210 on a multimillion budget. ..., I am not familiar with this expression, please explain in detail |
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Post by cloris on Aug 6, 2008 17:25:42 GMT -5
Mr. Kelsey,
I couldn't agree with you more. There is more than just the consideration of rental space itself. Perhaps the council should join with Bound Brook and the other towns that are going to court to get a handle on this situation. It seems that the lawsuit took a great deal out of the council, their determination in this department has noticeably diminished.
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Post by juanvaldez on Aug 6, 2008 18:44:43 GMT -5
What kind of lawsuit do you suggest (with Bound Brook)? Who are you suggesting we sue? Be very specific. I want to be informed about the ways of the white women in Freehold. I want to know your mind.
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Post by admin on Aug 6, 2008 19:12:55 GMT -5
What kind of lawsuit do you suggest (with Bound Brook)? Who are you suggesting we sue? Be very specific. I want to be informed about the ways of the white women in Freehold. I want to know your mind. Juan, Welcome to the site. As with all new participants, I just ask that you familiarize yourself with the site rules. If you have questions, suggestions, or problems, reach out to any of the site moderators and we will be happy to help. I have to ask out of curiosity, what makes you think Cloris is white? Do you know each other? Brian admin |
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Post by bergsteiger on Aug 7, 2008 8:15:14 GMT -5
I'm shocked I had no idea that "only white women wear that" Ban him for life. I would give him the death penalty but I do not have the authority to do so.  |
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Aug 7, 2008 8:37:05 GMT -5
only BLAH - BLAH women wear that. . Sorry Admins, but that is a nasty slur, just fill in this blank (blah, blah) with any other ethnic or racial reference and Brian got a problem This is a violation of board policy, and has no business being left up for public viewing. I also liken this lax enforcement of any gender slur to the poster who knowingly and repeatedly issues an identity reference of a cricket when referring to another poster of Jewish heritage, again replace cricket with Meatball as a reference to an Italian American poster, or beaner or watermelon and it is all equally offensive as a gender slur... IMHO Its time to reestablish a atmosphere of fun yet respectful levity! We all understand that when your angry you say/post things out of character, and then self-edit because most of us can manage mature restraint which our intelligent, well intentioned good posters strive to exhibit. I think there is another ban to consider, and maybe then a few Missing in Action, quality posters will return! OR...., What you may be left with are three admits and a councilman ... IMHO |
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Post by misterpr1981 on Aug 7, 2008 9:49:08 GMT -5
only BLAH - BLAH women wear that. . Sorry Admins, but that is a nasty slur, just fill in this blank (blah, blah) with any other ethnic or racial reference and Brian got a problem This is a violation of board policy, and has no business being left up for public viewing. I also liken this lax enforcement of any gender slur to the poster who knowingly and repeatedly issues an identity reference of a cricket when referring to another poster of Jewish heritage, again replace cricket with Meatball as a reference to an Italian American poster, or beaner or watermelon and it is all equally offensive as a gender slur... IMHO Its time to reestablish a atmosphere of fun yet respectful levity! We all understand that when your angry you say/post things out of character, and then self-edit because most of us can manage mature restraint which our intelligent, well intentioned good posters strive to exhibit. I think there is another ban to consider, and maybe then a few Missing in Action, quality posters will return! OR...., What you may be left with are three admits and a councilman ... IMHO Oh, puh-lease--it's not considered an ethnic slur or racism if the person saying those things is also of that ethnicity. Nice try, buddy. I also don't even see how alluding to someone who is Jewish eating Jewish delicasies is even an ethnic slur in the first place. It's a well known fact that Jewish people eat cricketes. I'm Jewish and I eat them. Nice try, grasping at straws. I think your post about my "underroos," especially considering I'm a 26-year-old guy and you're in your 50s AND running for a council seat, is far more obscene and personally offensive. It even borders (if not totally sinks its teeth into) on sexual harassment. And I actually didn't pursue that, so you should be quite thankful. |
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Post by stffgpr2003 on Aug 7, 2008 9:58:41 GMT -5
I have to agree with Fiber on this one. Right is right. THAT poster signed up as a registered troll to disrupt your board. There was no intelligent discussion shared by him/her, only insults. He could have easily and intelligently disagreed with Cloris' valid point of view, but decided to attack her person.
Leaving such posts up for others to read really helps such people accomplish what they originally have set out to do - deliberately inflame others. These trolls, registered or not, shouldn't be given the opportunity to have their messages read by more readers, once they are banned from the site. His/Her message remains for others to read and so does his/her insult to a poster, who played by the rules.
You don't need to prove that you made the right decision to ban this poster, by leaving up his/her disgusting post.
Marc
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Post by lisas84 on Aug 7, 2008 10:01:51 GMT -5
OK, Fiber and Marc, I took your advice, it's a goner, into the ether, the haunted graveyard of ugly troll posts.
Thank you both for your guidance.
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Aug 7, 2008 10:33:53 GMT -5
boys! BOYS! Don't make me come over there! Play nice. Please, enough. Let us all move on. There seems to be a Right (and left) Flight going on here, and we need to attract back the good posters plus more. I feel, suddenly, a bit like a schoolmarm. EXCUSE ME WITH THE "BOYS, BOYS"..., first Nothing D vs R here. I have never spoken of fellow Jew using a slur in a public forum because it is insulting to all, it is a childish perpetuation of a stereo type, it disrespects my heritage, reeks of low class, lacks intelligence and exhibits immaturity, likening to African Americans calling each other "N"'s which is NOT OK public or private, or two gay men calling each other "F's" or "B's" public or private. Claiming objection to ethnic trash talk is very reasonable, regardless of who the trash talker is, and has absolutely nothing to do with R vs D, Lib vs Con, Right vs Left or even Straight vs Gay.... Lisa! If that is where this site is going fine! I am tired of reading trash because "you don't want to get Stevie Angry" because that is more important than addressing the " need to attract back the good posters plus more!"[/i] |
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Post by lisas84 on Aug 7, 2008 10:49:35 GMT -5
Fiber, you "misunderguesstimate" me.
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Aug 7, 2008 11:38:11 GMT -5
I have to agree with Fiber on this one. Right is right. THAT poster signed up as a registered troll to disrupt your board. There was no intelligent discussion shared by him/her, only insults. He could have easily and intelligently disagreed with Cloris' valid point of view, but decided to attack her person. Marc Great points all Marc, I have a suggestion for our Admins, Think about a policy of Banning for a month, once your once your KARMA dips plow Negative (-) 50. Usually that level of negative Karma is indicative of a poster who's intentions are clearly designed to disrupt the board, and attack other posters. IMHO |
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Post by stffgpr2003 on Aug 7, 2008 12:10:04 GMT -5
Nah, there are a few people who post here, often, that many disagree with more than not. It has nothing to do with these folks DELIBERATELY acting like jerks, like today's banned poster.
Didn't our own Bergsteiger have a horrible Karma at one point, recently? I know that I also was in the minus numbers, when I stopped posting on the site last year - YOU ALL MISSED ME! AND WERE JUST SHOWING YOUR LOVE!!!
In Berg's, case, he has been smited dozens of times and warned by the admins, on more than a few opportunities. Often this has happened for his offering some inappropriate views and posting some offensive articles - some "outside of what, some of us many of us might consider, the mainstream." I'll just leave it at that.
But, Berg's views, diverse as they may be, are protected by his right of free speech. Indeed, Bergsteiger has crossed the line on several occasions, but he is usually open to criticism and he, generally, doesn't look to sink his poisonous fangs into anyone. I think he respects the readers, but just looks at the world in his own unique way. Generally, the Berg Dude a good sport, when he is criticized.
The trolls respond to posters by patronizing whomever they happen to disagree with (rather than accepting the right of others to express views that are different from theirs. And, their chief weapon is name calling).
Marc
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Aug 7, 2008 12:18:39 GMT -5
Generally, the Berg Dude a good sport, when he is criticized. Marc First Marc...using the term "DUDE", coming from you is scary to me...  ! To the point..Good Sport exactly, is what we're talking about, and this only comes with maturity! |
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Post by stffgpr2003 on Aug 7, 2008 14:22:26 GMT -5
Hey...DUDE is from OUR generation. It goes along with CHIEF. I really hate that one. "Hey Chief, what are you charging for this..?"
Other's using these expressions have borrowed them from US. Now...where is that copywrite, when our generation needs it?
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Post by misterpr1981 on Aug 7, 2008 15:04:29 GMT -5
boys! BOYS! Don't make me come over there! Play nice. Please, enough. Let us all move on. There seems to be a Right (and left) Flight going on here, and we need to attract back the good posters plus more. I feel, suddenly, a bit like a schoolmarm. EXCUSE ME WITH THE "BOYS, BOYS"..., first Nothing D vs R here. I have never spoken of fellow Jew using a slur in a public forum because it is insulting to all, it is a childish perpetuation of a stereo type, it disrespects my heritage, reeks of low class, lacks intelligence and exhibits immaturity, likening to African Americans calling each other "N"'s which is NOT OK public or private, or two gay men calling each other "F's" or "B's" public or private. Claiming objection to ethnic trash talk is very reasonable, regardless of who the trash talker is, and has absolutely nothing to do with R vs D, Lib vs Con, Right vs Left or even Straight vs Gay.... Lisa! If that is where this site is going fine! I am tired of reading trash because "you don't want to get Stevie Angry" because that is more important than addressing the " need to attract back the good posters plus more!"[/i][/quote] Again, I'll ask you, how exactly is referring to cricketes seen as an ethnic slur? It's common knowledge that Jewish people not only invented cricketes, but eat them regularly. An ethnic slur would be calling a Jew, a "k." Ted, you're once again grasping at straws. Dirk Diggler wouldn't approve. |
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Post by casualreader on Aug 7, 2008 16:13:19 GMT -5
Don't worry Fiber I am not leaving the site -- I will always remains a member of the Freehold Voice.
When I die I want a transcript of all the Freehold Voice posts placed in the coffin.
Casually standing by you in your time of cricket.
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