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Post by admin on Jul 18, 2008 8:59:38 GMT -5
No...I'm afraid Steven makes a valid SECONDARY point. To gain additional credibility, the FV MUST move to ban the use of Proxy sites. Those wishing to post from more than one IP MUST be required to send an email to the moderators, providing that IP address. If you are traavelling - send an email to the moderator regarding the hotel IP you may be using, etc. There are way too many people with single views wanting to seem like armies building concensus! It's destroyed Topix (that site has ZERO credibility - it's a joke! A place where many crazies) go to play!) and you don't need that here! Any postings being received from PROXY sites should be removed and that address must be BLOCKED. I am told that PROXY's can be identified - so they should be banned. Marc No your both wrong and neither of you have all the facts. If anything you may very well be giving out ideas to those who do not need them. My point, be careful of insinuations if all the facts are not present. Considering both of you want to take the high road on this site, I would expect you both to understand that. |
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Post by misterpr1981 on Jul 18, 2008 9:12:54 GMT -5
I didn't say anything  I don't know what you're talking about. |
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Post by admin on Jul 18, 2008 9:22:56 GMT -5
I didn't say anything I don't know what you're talking about. Yes, we all know you are innocent. ;D |
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Post by casualreader on Jul 21, 2008 12:46:23 GMT -5
Councilman Levine dude has long been an advocate of greater control and censorship on this board.
He has always been about controlling the message. He hates vocal dissent and any forceful criticism of Freehold Borough and its machine politics -- of which he is a participant.
All of this is nonsense with regards to registering IPS -- he just wants to know everyone that is posting -- he wants an elitist club of borough-praising lackeys.
Brian dude -- resist this at all costs. Go with your instincts. The board has been better since Councilman Levine dude has a reduced role.
As muddled as you are you still permit freedom of speech. If Councilman Levine dude were moderating the board it would be him and five friends and, of course, MRPR dude posting all the time.
They would tolerate a little minor dissent here and there but all within a very sterile and controlled intellectual environment.
Councilman Levine dude is all about thought Control.
Casually Arguing Against 1984
Below is Councilman Levine dude's latest effort to control the Freehold Voice.
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Post by lisas84 on Jul 21, 2008 13:54:39 GMT -5
Casual, baby! You're back!
Now, please don't get angry at me here. I just wanted to say that, reading Mr. LeVine's posts, I did not interpret that the fellow wants to exert a complete control. Rather, I interpreted that he was offering up ways of preventing true trolls from running amok on this site; banning use of proxies (to hide your true identity and allow multiple identities) is, I feel, worthy of some consideration. Just my opinion here.
I clearly discern from your posts you simply don't like him, and that's certainly your right and nobody's business as to why. And that's immaterial on this site anyway.
Freedom of speech of course is the primary objective. There will always be cases of offense to that, from local up to national, where one entity charges its freedom of speech has been violated. To me, this is one of the murkiest areas ever, especially given the intensifying "PC" environment.
Thanks for expressing your opinion about not banning proxy sites.
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Post by casualreader on Jul 22, 2008 0:37:15 GMT -5
Lisa Dudette wrote the following about my feelings towards Councilman Levine dude:
Lisa nothing could be further from the truth. I hold him to a very high standard so when he falls I feel it all the more deeply.
I have been with him through some difficult times. There was the time they appointed him to the council and hundreds of brown and black people came to chant against him.
Then there were the infamous remarks which I will not elaborate on -- through all this I stuck with him.
But, why does he write about his purchase of a box of Russell Stover candies for some kids? I ask you Lisa was this a gratuitous bit of braggadocio? (spelling??) Do we need to know about every time he holds a door for someone at the mall? If he takes out his neighbor's garbage do we need to know about it here?
I publicly call on Councilman Levine to be the man he should be -- the man he could be -- the man he wants to be...
I am on his side Lisa
Casually Thinking Good Thoughts about Councilman Levine dude
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Post by adefonzo on Jul 22, 2008 8:41:33 GMT -5
Wow, that's one miserable son of a you know what, who posted that!!!!! Ha ha! How exactly does one get bones ripped OFF your back anyway? Aren't they inside? At least with my body, they are. What is the point of this post anyway? It makes absolutely no sense. There's like three things going on in it. It's like a bad soap opera (well actually, all soap operas are bad) Wow. what a bigoted miserable diatribe. Thanks, Novillero, for posting that. I had not even thought of that. Love that song! But the fact that she used this great song for such vitriolic, hateful commentary, I'm sure would be appalling to The Boss. I finally took some time to read through this whole thread...and I am once again not surprised at the response from some of the folks on here. Anytime someone points out how the illegal immigrant population in our town is bringing down the image and the value of our town, they are labeled as bigots, racists, hateful, and "miserable son of a you know what". Now...you want to ask how does Peanut know if those folks on Ellis St are illegal immigrants? Fine...perhaps he/she does not know for sure...none of us do...which is why I still believe we need to apply for (bringing up that old dead horse) 287g capabilities...so we can determine who is here legally and who is here illegally. But of course, those who defend the idea that we can't speak about anyone because we don't know who's legal and who's illegal, still find a way to bash the idea of putting a system in place to determine who is and who isn't...so why bother Getting back... Why can't it just be that Peanut has seen...as many of us in town have...the value and the appearance of our town diminish GREATLY in the last 10 years or so? Why is it that Peanut isn't simply showing concern as a resident of the Boro that the image our town portrays to potential homeowners is one where people are turning up dead in lakes, stabbed in backyards, shot outside the police station, and...oh yeah...a safe haven for illegal immigrant day laborers to gather and look for work?? And while they're not running up to every car that pulls into the bus station, 6-12, or over by the railroad tracks...they're just loitering all over town because it's not their "turn" to sleep in the rental home they are staying in. Stop kidding yourselves everyone...the image of this town is in the toilet...still. And while I truthfully love the concept of Marc's neighborhood pride committee, planting flowers and painting porches is not going to save us. I listened to Marc at last night's Council meeting talk about the "Broken Window" effect he is hoping the NPC will have in town. Don't get me wrong...it a great idea...a concept that I agree with fully...and a concept that we have been practicing on our street for the 30+ years my family has lived here. But here's the flipside...by looking to the residents of the Boro to "take back" their streets, I can't help but view this as the Mayor, Town Council, Police Department, and Code Enforcement essentially saying, "We can't handle it" or "we're not going to handle it"...so now it's falling to the residents to handle it. Maybe it's better that way? Maybe the residents of the Boro should have started taking their streets back years ago. Maybe the residents of the Boro were foolish for waiting on their elected officials to do something about the problem? Marc, you said last night that the hope is people will start to pressure their neighbors into fixing up their properties...even the absentee landlords...you even went so far as to say that people will "become the worst nightmare" of those who won't take care of their property...and yes, I know you meant through constant badgering and harping, not by any sort of physical means. With any luck, the people of the town will start to do just that. With any luck, the homeowners here in Freehold Boro will start to do what our elected officials have failed to do for years now...bring the value and image of Freehold Boro back from the depth were it has been wallowing for years now. Then I hope that the people start to realize that those who have been in charge here in town for so long, and who have watched and done nothing while the problem grew and grew, are no longer needed...and can be voted out of office. |
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Post by lisas84 on Jul 22, 2008 9:04:54 GMT -5
Hi, Casual!
I read Mr. Le Vine's initial commentary with his examples as pointing out solely that being an effective and caring elected councilperson means you sometimes have to pay out of pocket on the spot for things, in the context of the nominal raise. I did not read that as him attempting to be vainglorious. (how's that vocab???).
BTW, you get points for "braggadocio." Good word!
Andrew, it was nice meeting you last evening at hte meeting. You have some solid points, for sure. Remember, though, 287G capabilities, as you write, is not a measure to determine who is here legally or illegally. But it is, theoretically, a good measure for major crime control. It is not a measure of wiping out all Mexicans, which is just, to me, a horribly wrong thought. , not that you alluded to this, but others seem to think that's what it is.
Marc's Neighborhood Pride Committee is truly a grand concept, where neighbors and allied folks work together to take and build pride in their neighborhoods and surrounding areas. It's a great social boosting tool, and the results are immeasurable.
Anyway, I guess the "image of the town in the toilet" is extremely subjective. I have many friends in the borough who have been there for years, second and third generation and new folks. They all seem to love the town, recognize there is a problem with the influx of illegals; some don't like it, others say live and let live. I guess, Andrew, it really depends on who you talk to!
But, this is where Marc's initial foray with the NPC may come in handy; I think it's a stellar initiative, and it may go a long way to nourishing and strengthening the foundation of what makes this town so great -- it's people.
Just my thoughts.
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Post by stffgpr2003 on Jul 22, 2008 10:55:15 GMT -5
Actually, this is "Mayor Michael Wilson's Neighborhood Pride Committee." But, it mostly the town's Neighborhood Pride Committee under the fine yeoman-ship of Debbie Keelen and Anthony DiFlumeri, as co-chairs, and with a huge cast of excellent volunteers. I am simply the committee liaison - a facilitator and a cheerleader, who believes it is a great program for our town. Anyone attacking the work of the committee is only seeking to harm the town and insult those volunteers trying to make a difference. That would make those who do, hypocrites, in fact.
As for the criticisms received (I won't bore you with repeating them) from those who are only offering it as a way to benefit their own personal agendas (look at from where/who they arise) ...I'll share this... An old boss of mine, who is also a church deacon in Spring Lake used to say - Marc, no good deed goes unpunished! If the worse thing I have done in life is to share myself with others and mention to others what I've done - than I am guilty of having good intentions and trying to make a difference in the lives of others that others may join me in doing. Shame on me for doing that. At least I got off my arse and DID SOMETHING!
I do not need to create praise for myself, believe me (LOL!!)... I am very much at peace with who I am and what I have accomplished as a professional...a businessman...and as a person. No one can take these things away from me! I am also very proud of my son, MRPR1981 - he was very successful starting his own business at 26 years of age and he knows how to stand up for himself pretty well, while being a good person that many love!
Marc
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Post by novillero on Jul 22, 2008 11:38:42 GMT -5
The best and most efficient efforts of the Mayor, council, and Code enforcement won't be worth a d**n if the residents don't take pride in the places where they live.
At the same time, it is hard for the residents to take pride when their neighbors are permitted to use their yards as dumps and overcrowd their residences.
We need both.
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Post by adefonzo on Jul 22, 2008 11:41:19 GMT -5
Lisa...it was nice to meet you as well...however briefly...last night. It's always nice to put a face to a name. I appreciate you noting that I never referenced 287g as a method of "wiping out all Mexicans". I have tried to always make the distinction in my arguments that I am opposed to illegal immigrants...I don't care where they may have come from. Of course, there are always those who refuse to see this distinction, and continue to simply label myself and others as racists and bigots and haters of Mexicans because we complain about illegal immigrants. I can only speak for myself, but again, my only issue is with illegal immigrants no matter where they are from. I am in agreement that the NPC is a positive force that has the potential to do a lot of good here in town...let's hope it can deliver on it's mission. As for the view of the town...you're absolutely right, it is subjective...just as the view as to whether or not our town has a problem with illegal immigrants is apparently subjective. I know many people in town who have lived here as long or longer than I and my family have who do still love the potential of this town because they can remember how wonderful it once was...I am one of those people. I will say this...a great number of people I know from the surrounding area look down on the Boro as simply a place to go get a bite to eat but not much more. Nowhere is that viewpoint more evident than in the adament blocking of merging Freehold Boro schools with any of the surrounding districts, and the sometimes blatant hostility coming from other sending districts on the High School level about the students who "come from the Boro". Furthermore, I was shocked when I was working at the Xanadu project up by the Meadowlands and was talking with guys who lived in Bergen County, Morris County, and way up in North Jersey...and they all said to me, essentially, "Freehold...that's where you have all those illegals living, right?". So you'll have to forgive me if I feel that our town's image is in the toilet. Actually, this is "Mayor Michael Wilson's Neighborhood Pride Committee." But, it mostly the town's Neighborhood Pride Committee under the fine yeoman-ship of Debbie Keelen and Anthony DiFlumeri, as co-chairs, and with a huge cast of excellent volunteers. I am simply the committee liaison - a facilitator and a cheerleader, who believes it is a great program for our town. Anyone attacking the work of the committee is only seeking to harm the town and insult those volunteers trying to make a difference. That would make those who do, hypocrites, in fact.As for the criticisms received (I won't bore you with repeating them) from those who are only offering it as a way to benefit their own personal agendas (look at from where/who they arise) ...I'll share this... An old boss of mine, who is also a church deacon in Spring Lake used to say - Marc, no good deed goes unpunished! If the worse thing I have done in life is to share myself with others and mention to others what I've done - than I am guilty of having good intentions and trying to make a difference in the lives of others that others may join me in doing. Shame on me for doing that. At least I got off my arse and DID SOMETHING! I do not need to create praise for myself, believe me (LOL!!)... I am very much at peace with who I am and what I have accomplished as a professional...a businessman...and as a person. No one can take these things away from me! I am also very proud of my son, MRPR1981 - he was very successful starting his own business at 26 years of age and he knows how to stand up for himself pretty well, while being a good person that many love! Marc Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves just yet, Marc. As I said, this is a great concept and one that I would hope works for the best...however if this committee goes the way of other committees in town (FCP which is currently being sued over several issues is a perfect example)...if it seems to concentrate on only certain areas in town, or if it looses it's passion after a year or so...expect criticism. You used some pretty strong words there...and quite honestly, it sounds like the typical drum beating of that old political machine here in the Boro, which has a history of a "How dare you question us" mentality. I'll be very honest with you, Marc...I am curious as to what other project the committee is working on currently that don't center around Center St and the Rug Mill apartments...as all I have heard about are several projects on people's homes on Center St, the Community Garden behind the Rug Mill, and extending the Henry Hudson Trail...again behind the Rug Mill area. I should think there are other areas of town that are also deserving of attention, and that the committee isn't concentrating solely on that one area. Please inform us as to the other projects the committee is undertaking in other areas of town. Like I said...the concept behind this committee is great, and I would hope the passion holds up, and the work spreads to all parts of town. I even offered, in another thread, to be there to help with the work...just tell me when and where...and I come with my own tools (having worked in construction for a number of years now). 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Post by stffgpr2003 on Jul 22, 2008 12:26:42 GMT -5
Andrew -
Following the successful Columbus Ohio, Mayor Coleman model, our NPC focuses, approximately, on one area a year and focuses many resources on that area, before moving on to the next street/neighborhood and - all the while - bringing the neighborhoods and residents closer together as a community. This is the chief goal - Neighborhood Pride leading to Town Pride thereby enhancing our overall appeal to others. It's supposed to be the Atom bomb of good will and that's what it takes to build a stronger community.
These are not totally uncharted waters for us. We have terrific mentors from tried and true NPC programs from across America. I think the Columbus NPC is already 9 years old and has garnered much praise. We are also taking the best from other models (Ravenswood, IL, etc.) and adding some of Freehold Borough's unique flavor into the mix.
During the bad weather months there will be helpful and entertaining programming for the residents of Center Street and for other parts of town. There's plenty to do as offered by the other NPC's were learning from. During the winter months, we will also look at and plan for the next set of goals, some of which may be tied to where our town's repaving program goes next. Or, we may decide to use different criteria for choosing the next good weather project. It's up to the committee.
The reference to "political machines" and such! Now, what possible good purpose does that serve, Andrew? And, how does that make everybody feel positive about the work they are putting in to the effort? Some of them the very same people you serve with on the Board of Ed or their family members - Annette Jordan, Debbie Keelen. Positive people - All. Come on Andrew...let their purpose be noble, just like those who serve on NPC's in other towns. Oh...that's right we're coming to that time of the year when people throw mud on the best of good efforts in order to help themselves and others succeed. Too bad there is the need to do that. Better folks come up with better ideas on their own rather than devalue those of others for some sort of gain.
Yes, the committee is created by those currently serving on council, because setting such things in motion is part of the job. BUT, this committee is powered by good will and charged with producing even more of it for the town. I will continue to produce strong words not only to protect it...but to propel it forward! Built into this committee is high energy based on a YES WE CAN attitude. Your offer to help is appreciated and we expect to see you and your tools on Center Street and wherever we go next.
I doubt very much that the committee members are very interested in anything more than producing good results for the Borough. And, what exactly does the FCP have to do with the NPC, which is completely different type of group - the FCP is an SID not a council advisory committee? That's like comparing apples to oranges, I'm afraid, but it DID give you a chance to drop a council dig way out of context. Why the need to do that in this positively charged place, I wonder? Oh well... back on track - the NPC , as an advisory committee to Council, is much more favorably compared with the town's many other successful advisory committees including the CIC, the Rental Property Advisory Board (now the MDRB), Recreation, etc. I don't mention the Library, Historical Preservation, Planning Board, etc. because those are commissions, yet another different category.
Yes, the council gave birth to a good idea and it is the fine work of the volunteers who get the most credit. The council gets some too for making it happen and supporting its growth, and the deliberate detractors get none. Sorry. That's just the way it works.
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Post by lisas84 on Jul 22, 2008 13:40:35 GMT -5
I don't know, Andrew, I believe there are two kinds of folks in this world -- those who wallow in the negatives, and those who see challenges that need to be conquered, remain positive and do something about it.
I know you personally give a lot of your time and effort to the school system, so this is not a reflection on you.
And your relation of comments about perception, well, I'm here to tell you I am doing all I can and am devoted to using my skills to help change that. I can't do it alone and I am very blessed with equally devoted folks who are my teammates to get us there. I love this challenge!
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Post by admin on Jul 22, 2008 14:04:31 GMT -5
Marc wrote...
Anyone attacking the work of the committee is only seeking to harm the town and insult those volunteers trying to make a difference. That would make those who do, hypocrites, in fact.
Marc,
I do not believe that any on this site are attacking the committee or its members. Just the opposite. I believe that people are very supportive of the NPC and I predict it will be a success that will do plenty of good.
Some of the alleged nay saying that you, Lisa and maybe a couple of others are looking at is nothing more than typical cautious optimism. There is nothing wrong with that and it is very healthy. Not to mention the fact that that anyone in this town who has been around certainly has good reason for that caution.
A good example of that is the FCP, which was also mentioned. Now, I have cited positive examples of what the FCP has done for the town in the past, so obviously I do not support a slash and burn mentality toward them. But the fact remains that our business district is nowhere near what it should be. I realize that every time I go to Red Bank or Cookman Ave in AP. They are leaving us in the dust. Couple that with the vision study that will be coming out, and people in this town had better be cautious and well prepared to criticize all of you on the governing body. These issues are far too crucial to just sit back like sheep and say hey "swell job."
None of us can say good job until the results are in. That is the bottom line. That applies to everything, the rental issues ( still waiting for positive results), the negative impact of illegal immigration( still waiting), schools (Doing much better), NCP (Too new to judge) CIC ( working hard, give us time), and so on.
Marc, you are right to move forward with positive initiatives. There is nothing wrong with that and it is very much the right thing to do. I also do not agree with those who are poison pills and only bash. But, people in this town have every reason to have caution. There is nothing wrong with that and don't be so offended when you see it. Constructive criticism of any committee should be welcome. Andrew did nothing more.
Speaking of the NPC and the FCP, one thing that has gained little attention this year is the adopt a park program that the FCP offers. Has the NPC looked into some sort of joint tie in with this? After all, the adopt a pocket park program is a neighborhood pride issue. One that has done well.
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Post by admin on Jul 22, 2008 14:12:20 GMT -5
I don't know, Andrew, I believe there are two kinds of folks in this world -- those who wallow in the negatives, and those who see challenges that need to be conquered, remain positive and do something about it. I know you personally give a lot of your time and effort to the school system, so this is not a reflection on you. And your relation of comments about perception, well, I'm here to tell you I am doing all I can and am devoted to using my skills to help change that. I can't do it alone and I am very blessed with equally devoted folks who are my teammates to get us there. I love this challenge! Lisa, You forgot the third type of person, the ones who only want to wear rose colored glasses and do not have the guts or courage to look real problems in the eye. In many ways they are just as bad as those who are only poison pills. Our town needs people who are balanced. That is key toward moving this town ahead the right way. We can not afford to either destroy all the good we have,- and we do have plenty- just as we cannot afford to allow the problems in this town to go unchecked. See my last post about the real need for results. We have to be more aggressive and continue with cautious optimism. I am not pointing fingers in any given direction with this post. This is simply the attitude I believe we need to embrace. |
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Jul 22, 2008 14:12:33 GMT -5
Who is against Neighborhood pride? The 7-06 letter gets to the point of the matter . FAMILY...Pride, and Neighborhood Pride lets feel good about growing a Family here, having family visit here, or even consider having family move in and live here. That takes a lot of Neighborhood Pride. How many people TODAY would tell family to move into FB?  |
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Post by admin on Jul 22, 2008 14:15:00 GMT -5
[quote author=stffgpr2003 board=anythingfreeholdborough thread=3559 post=16033 time=1216747602 Who is against Neighborhood pride? That is what I am trying to figure out! |
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Post by lisas84 on Jul 22, 2008 14:15:56 GMT -5
There ya go with the rose-colored glasses thing again. If you mean me, come out and say it. I know that is the perception. The funny thing is, I actually do have a pair, and they look quite good on me!
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Post by admin on Jul 22, 2008 14:26:45 GMT -5
There ya go with the rose-colored glasses thing again. If you mean me, come out and say it. I know that is the perception. The funny thing is, I actually do have a pair, and they look quite good on me! No, No, No! I am not pointing the finger at you! I said I was doing no finger pointing, just some general opinion. And I bet you would look d**n good in a pair of rose colored glasses.  |
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Post by stffgpr2003 on Jul 22, 2008 15:06:35 GMT -5
Marc wrote...
Brian -
Do you happen to know anybody with the name, "anyone?" LOL!!! I can't imagine why anybody would read a post that uses the general, nonspecific term "anyone" and believe that someone's name, in particular, is attached to the term. Did I happen to mention who "anyone" was or did someone decide, on their own, that may have earned the name by posting something in a tone leading us to believe who "anyone" might really be (a larger task when you consider the anonymity which runs rampant on this board to begin with, by the way)?
In fact, someone pointed out in an email to me that they thought they knew exactly who "anyone" was from the negative sounding tone of a response to my post regarding the positive efforts of the NPC. Maybe that's why "anyone" thought that it might be him or her?
Really, it could have been "anyone" at all. But, it beats the heck out of me who "anyone" really is only that he or she could be anybody who might wish to live "down" to my earlier statement. If nobody does (know who "anyone" really is), then the discussion is over and "anyone" could be "anybody" or nobody at all. Right? And, we can - then - all move on with good intentions, a similar understanding and a positive outlook regarding the NPC and all the volunteers that make it up.
Thanks,
Marc
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Post by novillero on Jul 22, 2008 15:16:45 GMT -5
Marc wrote... Brian - Do you happen to know anybody with the name, "anyone?" LOL!!! I can't imagine why anybody would read a post that uses the general, nonspecific term "anyone" and believe that someone's name, in particular, is attached to the term. Did I happen to mention who "anyone" was or did someone decide, on their own, that may have earned the name by posting something in a tone leading us to believe who "anyone" might be? In fact, someone pointed out in an email to me that they thought they knew exactly who "anyone" was from the negative sounding tone of a response to my post regarding the positive efforts of the NPC. Maybe that's why "anyone" thought that it might be him or her? Really, it could have been "anyone" at all. But, it beats the heck out of me who "anyone" really is only that he or she could be anybody who might wish to live "down" to my earlier statement. If nobody does (know how "anyone" really is), then the discussion is over and "anyone" could be "anybody" or nobody at all. And, we can then all move on with a similar understanding and a positive outlook regarding the NPC and all the volunteers that make it up. Thanks, Marc Is there an avatar out there of someone scratching his head? It is desparately needed! Anyone??? |
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Post by admin on Jul 22, 2008 15:20:42 GMT -5
Marc wrote... Brian - Do you happen to know anybody with the name, "anyone?" LOL!!! I can't imagine why anybody would read a post that uses the general, nonspecific term "anyone" and believe that someone's name, in particular, is attached to the term. Did I happen to mention who "anyone" was or did someone decide, on their own, that may have earned the name by posting something in a tone leading us to believe who "anyone" might be? In fact, someone pointed out in an email to me that they thought they knew exactly who "anyone" was from the negative sounding tone of a response to my post regarding the positive efforts of the NPC. Maybe that's why "anyone" thought that it might be him or her? Really, it could have been "anyone" at all. But, it beats the heck out of me who "anyone" really is only that he or she could be anybody who might wish to live "down" to my earlier statement. If nobody does (know who "anyone" really is), then the discussion is over and "anyone" could be "anybody" or nobody at all. Right? And, we can - then - all move on with good intentions, a similar understanding and a positive outlook regarding the NPC and all the volunteers that make it up. Thanks, Marc I have to admit, I started laughing when I read this. The first thing that came into my head was our former commander in briefs, Bubba Clinton, trying to define the word "is. " On a serious note, I am just trying to figure out when or where any fool may have tried to put down the NPC or its members. I cant see why anyone wouldn't support it and be a part of it. |
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Post by stffgpr2003 on Jul 22, 2008 15:29:02 GMT -5
Quote:Is there an avatar out there of someone scratching his head? It is desparately needed!
Anyone???
Come on, Nov. You need to be sharper than that...
Anyone? Abbott & Costello would know that "anyone" is their first baseman's second cousin, "who?" "Who" knows as well as "anyone," himself, who Brian thinks I was referring to in that statement. That's right! And if "anyone" sounds negative, he would deflect the criticism with "nobody" else to blame but himself.
Poor "nobody" is always the fall guy in these matters. Isn't he?
Marc
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Post by adefonzo on Jul 22, 2008 17:07:53 GMT -5
The reference to "political machines" and such! Now, what possible good purpose does that serve, Andrew? And, how does that make everybody feel positive about the work they are putting in to the effort? Some of them the very same people you serve with on the Board of Ed or their family members - Annette Jordan, Debbie Keelen. Positive people - All. Come on Andrew...let their purpose be noble, just like those who serve on NPC's in other towns. Oh...that's right we're coming to that time of the year when people throw mud on the best of good efforts in order to help themselves and others succeed. Too bad there is the need to do that. Better folks come up with better ideas on their own rather than devalue those of others for some sort of gain. I am not going to continue to go round and round on this topic, but let me make something very clear, because obviously Marc misunderstood my comments from earlier. The Neighborhood Pride Committee is an excellent idea and one that has the potential to help this town a great deal. Never did I question the passion or the commitment of those who volunteer there time and effort to this cause. Everyone willing to donate their personal time and put forth the effort that it takes to create and maintain this type of undertaking are worthy of commendation, and I look forward to the town recognizing these folks in some form...because they certainly deserve it. Their purpose is already noble, regardless of my or anyone else's opinion on it. My comment on the political machine, Marc, referred to your harsh words to anyone who would dare speak ill of the committee at anytime. It was in no way an attempt to "throw mud on the best of good efforts in order to help themselves and others succeed". Comments like that are why there are those of us who feel their is that sense of "how dare you question us" with the current governing body. Let me be completely open and honest with you...as I am sure it is not hard to determine by my comments, I have absolutely no love for certain members of the town's governing body...in particular those who have been there for a number of years now. I question things such as why something like the neighborhood pride committee was not thought of when the Columbus model was 3 years old...or 5 years old...or 7 years old. I am certainly glad that it's here...but what was everyone doing 5 years ago that this program could not be put in place? I question why it seems to have taken George Schnurr's appointment to the town Council to bring attention to the fact that the bus stop in town has looked deplorable for several years now. I am glad to see that some changes have been set in motion to clean up that area...but why did it take so long for someone on the Council to open their eyes and notice that? I question why we are paying to repave Center St and not a street such as Bowne Ave which has to be the most beat up street in the Boro. I question a great many things that are done by my Mayor and Town Council...and because of this I am labeled as a malcontent and someone who spews nothing but negativity about the town. Speaking ill of the governing body is not the same as speaking ill of the people they govern...just ask all those who like to rip into our current President if they feel they are bashing America by doing so. I question things done by the mayor and town council because they are the paid elected leaders who the majority of voters in town put into office to handle the problems which this town faces. Everyone up on that podium wanted to be up there, so I would hope they knew what responsibilities came with the position. I understand the concept of community and regular residents working together to make their community better...but when we see what we perceive as poor leadership and a lack of action at the top, it becomes very disheartening. And when our expressions of disappointment are met with "Well what ideas do you have to fix the problem", some of us wonder why those people were elected to lead in the first place. And further, when our expressions of disappointment are met with people calling us hate mongers, bigots, racists, miserable you know whats, and negative people just trying to bring down the town...well, speaking for myself, it pi$$es me off to no end...which unfortunately, is exactly what some of those folks were hoping to do in the first place. Lisa, I believe in rolling up my sleeves and working to make the world a better place...whether everyone believes it or not quite frankly I don't care. I know what I do to make the world a better place, and I wish all the time that I could do more. I don't need approval from others or positive words of encouragement to keep myself going. I do things because I know it makes other people's lives better and easier, not to pat myself on the back and make me feel better about me. While I do these things, however, I am a realist. I don't sugarcoat things just so we can skip down the road of life whistling "zip-a-dee-doo-da" with the sun shining down and the birds chirping in my ear. This idea that somehow speaking out about the problems in this town means that you are against the progress of this town is B-S...plain and simple...and I am sick and tired of being told that by so many people around this town. I'm done with this topic...it's obviously one that will simply go on and on and continue to be misunderstood and misinterpreted. 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Post by lisas84 on Jul 22, 2008 17:18:56 GMT -5
Brian,
I think perhaps you should change the color of this board from blue to red!
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Post by admin on Jul 22, 2008 17:23:06 GMT -5
Brian, I think perhaps you should change the color of this board from blue to red! I never thought about that! Good idea. |
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Post by richardkelsey on Jul 23, 2008 11:19:09 GMT -5
The reference to "political machines" and such! Now, what possible good purpose does that serve, Andrew? And, how does that make everybody feel positive about the work they are putting in to the effort? Some of them the very same people you serve with on the Board of Ed or their family members - Annette Jordan, Debbie Keelen. Positive people - All. Come on Andrew...let their purpose be noble, just like those who serve on NPC's in other towns. Oh...that's right we're coming to that time of the year when people throw mud on the best of good efforts in order to help themselves and others succeed. Too bad there is the need to do that. Better folks come up with better ideas on their own rather than devalue those of others for some sort of gain. I am not going to continue to go round and round on this topic, but let me make something very clear, because obviously Marc misunderstood my comments from earlier. The Neighborhood Pride Committee is an excellent idea and one that has the potential to help this town a great deal. Never did I question the passion or the commitment of those who volunteer there time and effort to this cause. Everyone willing to donate their personal time and put forth the effort that it takes to create and maintain this type of undertaking are worthy of commendation, and I look forward to the town recognizing these folks in some form...because they certainly deserve it. Their purpose is already noble, regardless of my or anyone else's opinion on it. My comment on the political machine, Marc, referred to your harsh words to anyone who would dare speak ill of the committee at anytime. It was in no way an attempt to "throw mud on the best of good efforts in order to help themselves and others succeed". Comments like that are why there are those of us who feel their is that sense of "how dare you question us" with the current governing body. Let me be completely open and honest with you...as I am sure it is not hard to determine by my comments, I have absolutely no love for certain members of the town's governing body...in particular those who have been there for a number of years now. I question things such as why something like the neighborhood pride committee was not thought of when the Columbus model was 3 years old...or 5 years old...or 7 years old. I am certainly glad that it's here...but what was everyone doing 5 years ago that this program could not be put in place? I question why it seems to have taken George Schnurr's appointment to the town Council to bring attention to the fact that the bus stop in town has looked deplorable for several years now. I am glad to see that some changes have been set in motion to clean up that area...but why did it take so long for someone on the Council to open their eyes and notice that? I question why we are paying to repave Center St and not a street such as Bowne Ave which has to be the most beat up street in the Boro. I question a great many things that are done by my Mayor and Town Council...and because of this I am labeled as a malcontent and someone who spews nothing but negativity about the town. Speaking ill of the governing body is not the same as speaking ill of the people they govern...just ask all those who like to rip into our current President if they feel they are bashing America by doing so. I question things done by the mayor and town council because they are the paid elected leaders who the majority of voters in town put into office to handle the problems which this town faces. Everyone up on that podium wanted to be up there, so I would hope they knew what responsibilities came with the position. I understand the concept of community and regular residents working together to make their community better...but when we see what we perceive as poor leadership and a lack of action at the top, it becomes very disheartening. And when our expressions of disappointment are met with "Well what ideas do you have to fix the problem", some of us wonder why those people were elected to lead in the first place. And further, when our expressions of disappointment are met with people calling us hate mongers, bigots, racists, miserable you know whats, and negative people just trying to bring down the town...well, speaking for myself, it pi$$es me off to no end...which unfortunately, is exactly what some of those folks were hoping to do in the first place. Lisa, I believe in rolling up my sleeves and working to make the world a better place...whether everyone believes it or not quite frankly I don't care. I know what I do to make the world a better place, and I wish all the time that I could do more. I don't need approval from others or positive words of encouragement to keep myself going. I do things because I know it makes other people's lives better and easier, not to pat myself on the back and make me feel better about me. While I do these things, however, I am a realist. I don't sugarcoat things just so we can skip down the road of life whistling "zip-a-dee-doo-da" with the sun shining down and the birds chirping in my ear. This idea that somehow speaking out about the problems in this town means that you are against the progress of this town is B-S...plain and simple...and I am sick and tired of being told that by so many people around this town. I'm done with this topic...it's obviously one that will simply go on and on and continue to be misunderstood and misinterpreted. Everyone is of course entitled to respond with their own thoughts, but I am done...we'll just have to agree to disagree. I am not much of a follower. I am too much of a d**n maverick for that. But I will tell you this Andrew -- I'd follow you into any fight you want. I love your passion, you commitment, your honesty, and your unwillingness to settle for nonesense. Freehold needs more people like you. |
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I don't know what you're talking about. 
