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Post by Libyan Sibyl on Jan 18, 2008 10:33:07 GMT -5
newstranscript.gmnews.com/news/2008/0116/Front_Page/031.htmlCouncil announces 2008 municipal appointments BY CLARE MARIE CELANO Staff Writer FREEHOLD - Municipal appointments for 2008 were on the agenda when the Borough Council held its annual reorganization meeting on Jan. 6. Borough Administrator Joseph Bellina was appointed as the deputy clerk and the affirmative action officer. Bellina is also in charge of damage assessment. Nancy Foreman was appointed as treasurer and collector of water and sewer rents. She also serves as the deputy tax collector. Edward Lewis was appointed deputy treasurer. Kevin Coyne was appointed as Freehold Borough's historian, Hank Stryker III was appointed coordinator of the Office of Emergency Management, with Daniel Megill as deputy OEM coordinator. Freehold Borough Police Chief Mitchell Roth was appointed to public safety in the OEM and former Freehold Fire Department Chief William Maushardt will head up fire and rescue for the OEM. Former Freehold Fire Department Chief Garry Jackson was appointed as the fire prevention representative and the borough's fire official. The following individuals were appointed to the Community Information Committee: Brian Sullivan, Steven P. Le Vine, Lisa Schofield, Bob Byrne, Lisa Kristiansen, Allen Goldberg, Cecilia Reynolds and Ann Mackolin. Each individuals was appointed for a one-year term. Appointed by Mayor Michael Wilson to the Design Review Committee were Councilman Marc Le Vine, James Kovacs (or designee), Wayne Mason, Hank Stryker III and Laura Mulroy. Each member will serve a one-year term. Appointed to the Human Relations Committee were the Rev. Frederick Parrish, the Rev. Andre McGuire, Cecilia Reynolds, Ricky White, Heshy Moses, Ismael Castro and James Wallace. Alice Mc Cobb will continue to head the Memorial Day Parade Committee. Freehold Borough Planning Board appointments were Hank Stryker III, Lisa Kristiansen, Kevin Mulligan and Danielle Sims. Appointed to the Recreation Committee were Sheryl Mott and Bob Bennett. The mayor appointed Andrea Adams to the Shade Tree Commission. A resolution was passed naming Councilman Kevin Kane as police commissioner for 2008 and Councilman Jaye Sims as assistant police commissioner. A resolution was passed to appoint Councilwoman Sharon Shutzer as fire commissioner and council President Michael DiBenedetto as assistant fire commissioner. Kane will head up the finance committee and the health and welfare committee. Shutzer was appointed as council representative to the personnel committee. D iBenedetto was appointed as the council's representative to public works, Le Vine is the representative to the code enforcement department and Sims was appointed as the council's representative to the municipal court. Shutzer serves as liaison to the Advisory Council on Aging and the Multiple Dwelling Review Board. Sims serves as liaison to the Freehold Borough Board of Education, the Community Information Committee, the Freehold Community Alliance to Prevent Alcoholism and Drug Abuse, and the Human Relations Committee. Kane serves as liaison to the Freehold Center Partnership. Councilman George Schnurr will be liaison to the Memorial Day Parade, the Planning Board and the Shade Tree Commission, and Le Vine will serve as liaison to the Freehold Library and to the Historic Preservation Commission.
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Post by Libyan Sibyl on Jan 18, 2008 10:38:09 GMT -5
anyone ever hear of the design review committee before?
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Post by richardkelsey on Jan 18, 2008 12:11:24 GMT -5
I declare total vindication.
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Post by Libyan Sibyl on Jan 18, 2008 15:56:40 GMT -5
It's a bad precedent too. She is also the clerk for Freehold township's planning and zoning boards - which may have raised eyebrows for the Olive Garden application. To avoid any appearance of wrong-doing, she should have recused herself.
This is not to say that I think there was some mis-deed by that person, but the better part of valour is discretion. Appointments of family members will only bring criticism. There were numerous members of the planning board and zoning board that may have been considered to the new consolidated board. But, well, why bother to go on, no one really cares anyway....
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Post by novillero on Jan 19, 2008 20:14:17 GMT -5
It's a bad precedent too. She is also the clerk for Freehold township's planning and zoning boards - which may have raised eyebrows for the Olive Garden application. To avoid any appearance of wrong-doing, she should have recused herself. This is not to say that I think there was some mis-deed by that person, but the better part of valour is discretion. Appointments of family members will only bring criticism. There were numerous members of the planning board and zoning board that may have been considered to the new consolidated board. But, well, why bother to go on, no one really cares anyway.... it's called "an appearance of impropriety."
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Post by novillero on Jan 20, 2008 11:26:05 GMT -5
It must be that olive branch that was being extended was instead a stick in the eye...
So much for the end of that partisanship.
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Post by cloris on Jan 20, 2008 20:28:01 GMT -5
anyone ever hear of the design review committee before? They do the interior design for the Mayor's office.
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Post by cloris on Jan 20, 2008 20:32:02 GMT -5
I see these topics about appointments and I have questions. Does the town advertise when there is an opening? They should make the public aware of any openings. I am sure that plenty of people would like to volunteer to help the town.
Is there anything wrong with a councilman's wife or other relative sitting on a board or committee? I would hope that people are not making any unfounded accusations. I have heard nothing but the best about Councilman Sims.
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Post by Libyan Sibyl on Jan 21, 2008 10:14:28 GMT -5
I see these topics about appointments and I have questions. Does the town advertise when there is an opening? They should make the public aware of any openings. I am sure that plenty of people would like to volunteer to help the town. Is there anything wrong with a councilman's wife or other relative sitting on a board or committee? I would hope that people are not making any unfounded accusations. I have heard nothing but the best about Councilman Sims. I do not believe there is any advertising. A prior posting from the Fall had Marc looking into such an ordinance. As to appointing relations, if you re-read this post, there are no accusations of wrongdoing. There are remarks about bad public policy.
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Post by adefonzo on Jan 21, 2008 10:29:08 GMT -5
I see these topics about appointments and I have questions. Does the town advertise when there is an opening? They should make the public aware of any openings. I am sure that plenty of people would like to volunteer to help the town. Is there anything wrong with a councilman's wife or other relative sitting on a board or committee? I would hope that people are not making any unfounded accusations. I have heard nothing but the best about Councilman Sims. I have to agree with Libyan...I have never seen nor heard of advertising for these openings. To further comment on your inquiry, what's the point of advertising an open position? The appointments are made by the mayor (and town council). There is a regular pool of people / families that are chosen to fill seats on these various committees, advertising the open spots will not change this.
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Post by Libyan Sibyl on Jan 21, 2008 10:36:46 GMT -5
I see these topics about appointments and I have questions. Does the town advertise when there is an opening? They should make the public aware of any openings. I am sure that plenty of people would like to volunteer to help the town. Is there anything wrong with a councilman's wife or other relative sitting on a board or committee? I would hope that people are not making any unfounded accusations. I have heard nothing but the best about Councilman Sims. I do not believe there is any advertising. A prior posting from the Fall had Marc looking into such an ordinance. As to appointing relations, if you re-read this post, there are no accusations of wrongdoing. There are remarks about bad public policy. here are the prior postings on the topic: freeholdvoice.proboards46.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mayorandtowncouncil&thread=1190735487&page=1and scroll down on this one (abnout 1/2 way down), look for my post which provides the entire APP article: freeholdvoice.proboards46.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=humanrelation&thread=1190650387&page=1
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Post by Libyan Sibyl on Jan 21, 2008 10:41:07 GMT -5
newstranscript.gmnews.com/news/2008/0116/Front_Page/031.htmlCouncil announces 2008 municipal appointments BY CLARE MARIE CELANO Staff Writer ... Shutzer serves as liaison to the Advisory Council on Aging and the Multiple Dwelling Review Board. Sims serves as liaison to the Freehold Borough Board of Education, the Community Information Committee, the Freehold Community Alliance to Prevent Alcoholism and Drug Abuse, and the Human Relations Committee... Just looking at Shutzer's and Sims liaison appointments, I don't see the following committees as having any appointments to them by the mayor: - Advisory Council on Aging - Multiple Dwelling Review Board - Freehold Community Alliance to Prevent Alcoholism and Drug Abuse Anyone know anything about these committees? Are they borough committees, county, or something else? Do residents (note I didn't say citizens)-- do residents get appointed, or are they solely for public officials?
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Post by adefonzo on Jan 21, 2008 16:26:42 GMT -5
I just got some information from a very reliable source, and I wanted to share it here to help clear up the confusion...
The names that were mentioned in the article were people who were appointed to new terms
there are many people on the various committees in town who's terms have not yet expired (2 or 3 year terms), therefore they were not new appointees and not mentioned in the article.
I am pretty sure that this would also explain why there are several committees that seemed to not have any appointees - all of the current members are still in the midst of their terms, therefore no new appointees were needed.
hopefully this will help to clear up some of the confusion, though it seems that more often than not, I add more confusion to the topic at hand...ah well...I tried!!
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Post by cloris on Jan 21, 2008 20:11:35 GMT -5
They do the interior design for the Mayor's office. It has nothing to do with interior design of anything. The Committee for Design Review was the predecessor of the Historic Preservation Commission; it had "jurisdiction" only with regard to the B-1 zones, not the B-2 downtown area. While the ordinance remains on the books, it would (or rather, should) be superceded by the HPAC. The applicable section of the zoning code is: 18.36.070 Committee for design review. A. Creation of Committee. Within the office commercial district no building shall be constructed or altered so as to be inconsistent with the residential character of the adjacent residential areas. Building design shall be subject to review and recommendation by such officially-appointed committee for design review, or similar body, as may be in existence in the borough at the time of application for approval of site and building plans for the intended use. The committee for design review shall adopt such rules and regulations as it may deem necessary to govern its procedure, and shall render all decisions and findings in writing. B. Membership--Term. The building inspector of the borough, in passing upon a building permit to be issued in the office commercial district shall be controlled and bound by the determination and decision of majority of the five members of the committee for design review consisting of the building inspector, the borough engineer, an architect, a resident of the borough, and a member of the borough council, all appointed by the mayor annually for a term of one year. C. Nonresidential Construction. The following types of constructions shall be considered not to be residential in character: 1. Store front types of construction; 2. Garage doors, larger than needed for passenger automobile and commercial vehicles of two tons gross weight; 3. Concrete block or cinder block wall surfaces. (Prior code § 19-16) Cheryl, Thank you very much for your answer! I was only joking about the Mayor's office. I really had no idea what the design review committee is. Your response is more enlightening than I would have expected in a response. Thanks again.
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Post by cloris on Jan 21, 2008 20:13:12 GMT -5
newstranscript.gmnews.com/news/2008/0116/Front_Page/031.htmlCouncil announces 2008 municipal appointments BY CLARE MARIE CELANO Staff Writer ... Shutzer serves as liaison to the Advisory Council on Aging and the Multiple Dwelling Review Board. Sims serves as liaison to the Freehold Borough Board of Education, the Community Information Committee, the Freehold Community Alliance to Prevent Alcoholism and Drug Abuse, and the Human Relations Committee... Just looking at Shutzer's and Sims liaison appointments, I don't see the following committees as having any appointments to them by the mayor: - Advisory Council on Aging - Multiple Dwelling Review Board - Freehold Community Alliance to Prevent Alcoholism and Drug Abuse Anyone know anything about these committees? Are they borough committees, county, or something else? Do residents (note I didn't say citizens)-- do residents get appointed, or are they solely for public officials? Speaking of little known committees, what do these do and who is on them? The titles of the committees give hints, but there is little public information about them.
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Post by Libyan Sibyl on Jan 22, 2008 8:05:35 GMT -5
I just got some information from a very reliable source, and I wanted to share it here to help clear up the confusion... The names that were mentioned in the article were people who were appointed to new termsthere are many people on the various committees in town who's terms have not yet expired (2 or 3 year terms), therefore they were not new appointees and not mentioned in the article. I am pretty sure that this would also explain why there are several committees that seemed to not have any appointees - all of the current members are still in the midst of their terms, therefore no new appointees were needed. hopefully this will help to clear up some of the confusion, though it seems that more often than not, I add more confusion to the topic at hand...ah well...I tried!! I understand that these are new terms, but usually the committees are set up so that there is constant turnover and not everyone's term expires at the same time.
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Post by novillero on Jan 22, 2008 8:05:41 GMT -5
newstranscript.gmnews.com/news/2008/0116/Front_Page/031.htmlCouncil announces 2008 municipal appointments BY CLARE MARIE CELANO Staff Writer ... Shutzer serves as liaison to the Advisory Council on Aging and the Multiple Dwelling Review Board. Sims serves as liaison to the Freehold Borough Board of Education, the Community Information Committee, the Freehold Community Alliance to Prevent Alcoholism and Drug Abuse, and the Human Relations Committee... Just looking at Shutzer's and Sims liaison appointments, I don't see the following committees as having any appointments to them by the mayor: - Advisory Council on Aging - Multiple Dwelling Review Board - Freehold Community Alliance to Prevent Alcoholism and Drug Abuse Anyone know anything about these committees? Are they borough committees, county, or something else? Do residents (note I didn't say citizens)-- do residents get appointed, or are they solely for public officials? The multiple dwelling review board is for places with 5 or more units ... they are supposed to provide a report to council every year by March 1... As to the other 2... I assume the titles say it all, and I can make other assumptions as well, but will refrain
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Post by admin on Jan 22, 2008 10:46:54 GMT -5
I see these topics about appointments and I have questions. Does the town advertise when there is an opening? They should make the public aware of any openings. I am sure that plenty of people would like to volunteer to help the town. Is there anything wrong with a councilman's wife or other relative sitting on a board or committee? I would hope that people are not making any unfounded accusations. I have heard nothing but the best about Councilman Sims. I have to agree with Libyan...I have never seen nor heard of advertising for these openings. To further comment on your inquiry, what's the point of advertising an open position? The appointments are made by the mayor (and town council). There is a regular pool of people / families that are chosen to fill seats on these various committees, advertising the open spots will not change this. I was just in touch with Councilman Marc LeVine. He saw these posts in reference to the Holmdel ordinance. It is not a dead issue in our town and just the contrary, it will be on the agenda for next month's council meeting. It appears the town will be seeking better ways to advertise openings on committees. I also reminded Marc to utilize the CIC. We are working on several initiatives what will compliment any new ordinance we see. For those of you who have never worked for the government, or worked in any real public service capacity, just be patient. These things can take time.
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Post by Libyan Sibyl on Jan 22, 2008 11:28:40 GMT -5
I have to agree with Libyan...I have never seen nor heard of advertising for these openings. To further comment on your inquiry, what's the point of advertising an open position? The appointments are made by the mayor (and town council). There is a regular pool of people / families that are chosen to fill seats on these various committees, advertising the open spots will not change this. I was just in touch with Councilman Marc LeVine. He saw these posts in reference to the Holmdel ordinance. It is not a dead issue in our town and just the contrary, it will be on the agenda for next month's council meeting. It appears the town will be seeking better ways to advertise openings on committees. I also reminded Marc to utilize the CIC. We are working on several initiatives what will compliment any new ordinance we see. For those of you who have never worked for the government, or worked in any real public service capacity, just be patient. These things can take time. Getting ideas from the not-ready-for-primetime-players. interesting, and not the first time, and certainly not the last. not bad for a bunch of malcontents...
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Post by novillero on Jan 22, 2008 11:34:53 GMT -5
I was just in touch with Councilman Marc LeVine. He saw these posts in reference to the Holmdel ordinance. It is not a dead issue in our town and just the contrary, it will be on the agenda for next month's council meeting. It appears the town will be seeking better ways to advertise openings on committees. I also reminded Marc to utilize the CIC. We are working on several initiatives what will compliment any new ordinance we see. For those of you who have never worked for the government, or worked in any real public service capacity, just be patient. These things can take time. Getting ideas from the not-ready-for-primetime-players. interesting, and not the first time, and certainly not the last. not bad for a bunch of malcontents... What is more interesting is you somehow seem to be complimenting yourself. wierd.
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Post by admin on Jan 22, 2008 11:50:15 GMT -5
I was just in touch with Councilman Marc LeVine. He saw these posts in reference to the Holmdel ordinance. It is not a dead issue in our town and just the contrary, it will be on the agenda for next month's council meeting. It appears the town will be seeking better ways to advertise openings on committees. I also reminded Marc to utilize the CIC. We are working on several initiatives what will compliment any new ordinance we see. For those of you who have never worked for the government, or worked in any real public service capacity, just be patient. These things can take time. Getting ideas from the not-ready-for-primetime-players. interesting, and not the first time, and certainly not the last. not bad for a bunch of malcontents... malcontents? I have often thought about renaming the main pages " The Freehold Malcontent" I always laugh when I think of that term to describe so many of us. I would be afraid that people would take it the wrong way, though.
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Post by Libyan Sibyl on Jan 22, 2008 12:12:27 GMT -5
Yes, and once referred to as a "train wreck" by the good councilman. Getting ideas from a trainwreck is rather ghoulish, don't you think?
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Post by adefonzo on Jan 22, 2008 17:18:07 GMT -5
Whoa...hold your horses there Wlisa... first of all, Brian hearing from Councilman Levine that the issue of the Holmdel Ordinance is still "in play" is hardly an example of the "olive branch" you speak of. This is an issue that was brought up on this site 4 months ago... freeholdvoice.proboards46.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mayorandtowncouncil&thread=1190735487&page=1...and it's still being discussed by our Town Council. In the past, the Council has essentially copied ordinances from other towns and enacted them in shorter time (see the ordinance on fire pits in your backyard)...why is this one taking so long? No one is asking them to restructure the tax laws...we're just looking for public notification on open committee positions... and you'll have to forgive some people if they are a bit standoff-ish at these supposed signs of and "olive branch"...for some in this town, they've been getting ignored and stomped on for so long, it's kinda tough to just one day accept that those who have been ignoring you for so long are suddenly willing to listen to everything you have to say. I would hope our elected officials, who were put into office to lead all of the folks in town, will be tolerant enough to realize that not everyone is going to accept their "olive branch" right away...it may actually take some work on their part, whether they agree with it or not.
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Post by admin on Jan 23, 2008 9:02:31 GMT -5
WTF!!! Complain if the council listens. Complain if they don't. Don't understand why this is your approach to the "olive branch." The council is starting listening to other points of view. The HRC is more mainstream. Used to be a big problem. At least in my point of view. Is it your intention to take the "olive branch" and hit Geo and the rest of the council over the head with it. The poor boy is getting enough flack for his bipartisanship comments. Lighten up. Bipartisanship should work BOTH WAYS!!! Unless of course, you want it to stop. Hello Lisa, It is good to see a new voice on board with us. Much of what you see is not so much complaining but references to insults that had been hurled in the past. It is unfortunate, but during the election season this year the site got a wee bit over heated. We saw perfectly good people come unhinged and had others who usually get along hurling a number of insults at one another. We had an on line slug fest........ The machine won. Either way, the silly season is over and we are all moving on and for the most part getting along. Luckily and thankfully, the site is also getting some non-malcontents posting again. And as far as Geo, most of us who know him like him and thought he was a very good pick. We are sure that he will help keep the machine well oiled.
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Post by admin on Jan 23, 2008 9:09:53 GMT -5
WTF!!! Complain if the council listens. Complain if they don't. Don't understand why this is your approach to the "olive branch." The council is starting listening to other points of view. The HRC is more mainstream. Used to be a big problem. At least in my point of view. Is it your intention to take the "olive branch" and hit Geo and the rest of the council over the head with it. The poor boy is getting enough flack for his bipartisanship comments. Lighten up. Bipartisanship should work BOTH WAYS!!! Unless of course, you want it to stop. Nice first post wlisa. I will agree with you Geo's appointment has been a breadth of fresh air. His influence over the council is startling and impressive. The voters will learn to love this guy, because he is Hillary, Obama and Edward with a touch of compassionate conservatism. He is Nixon, Kennedy and Khrushchev , part Reagan and part Jimmy Carter with a dash of Older and Younger Bush's. He is like part Berlin wall, the Great Wall of China, the London eye and the statue of liberty, he is part Alamo, part Shilo and part Lexington. Geo is a little bit country and a little bit rock and roll with a pinch of SLASA. Hes our very own Walt Disney, Walter Reed and Walter Cronkite all rolled up into one bundle of bi partisan joy!~ Holly, You forgot that Geo is also part Liberty bell--- Cracked! ;D Just kidding Geo!
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Post by admin on Jan 23, 2008 9:25:27 GMT -5
newstranscript.gmnews.com/news/2008/0116/Front_Page/031.htmlCouncil announces 2008 municipal appointments BY CLARE MARIE CELANO Staff Writer ... Shutzer serves as liaison to the Advisory Council on Aging and the Multiple Dwelling Review Board. Sims serves as liaison to the Freehold Borough Board of Education, the Community Information Committee, the Freehold Community Alliance to Prevent Alcoholism and Drug Abuse, and the Human Relations Committee... Just looking at Shutzer's and Sims liaison appointments, I don't see the following committees as having any appointments to them by the mayor: - Advisory Council on Aging - Multiple Dwelling Review Board - Freehold Community Alliance to Prevent Alcoholism and Drug Abuse Anyone know anything about these committees? Are they borough committees, county, or something else? Do residents (note I didn't say citizens)-- do residents get appointed, or are they solely for public officials? Speaking of committees that are not heard from very often.... Someone should reach out to the " Pretty Red Brick Sidewalk Commission" and let them know that those pretty red bricks are really slippery. Last night I watched as an upstanding citizen was turned upside down as he broke his rear end after fallin on those slippery bricks. It was quite comical, but I hope the PRBSC can get right on it.
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Jan 23, 2008 10:28:12 GMT -5
Just looking at Shutzer's and Sims liaison appointments, I don't see the following committees as having any appointments to them by the mayor: - Advisory Council on Aging - Multiple Dwelling Review Board - Freehold Community Alliance to Prevent Alcoholism and Drug Abuse Anyone know anything about these committees? Are they borough committees, county, or something else? Do residents (note I didn't say citizens)-- do residents get appointed, or are they solely for public officials? Speaking of committees that are not heard from very often.... Someone should reach out to the " Pretty Red Brick Sidewalk Commission" and let them know that those pretty red bricks are really slippery. Last night I watched as an upstanding citizen was turned upside down as he broke his rear end after fallin on those slippery bricks. It was quite comical, but I hope the PRBSC can get right on it. Brian shame on you. People slipping on a pavement is NEVER COMICAL, and I expect better from you. We are not whebbles I friends elderly mother recently slipped on our Red Brick Lined streets. The woman broke her arm in three place. Now this very independent woman can not drive till fully recovered, so there are family members who have their schedules disrupted to help the mother. Thank god this woman has close family that she can count on, other wise this would have turned into a bigger hardship. Bricked streets are nice to look at, but require a LOT of extra maintenance as such, presents an added liability. Word to the Wise... be careful not to criticize the PRBS shhhhhhh!
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Post by bergsteiger on Jan 23, 2008 15:02:27 GMT -5
Just looking at Shutzer's and Sims liaison appointments, I don't see the following committees as having any appointments to them by the mayor: - Advisory Council on Aging - Multiple Dwelling Review Board - Freehold Community Alliance to Prevent Alcoholism and Drug Abuse Anyone know anything about these committees? Are they borough committees, county, or something else? Do residents (note I didn't say citizens)-- do residents get appointed, or are they solely for public officials? Speaking of committees that are not heard from very often.... Someone should reach out to the " Pretty Red Brick Sidewalk Commission" and let them know that those pretty red bricks are really slippery. Last night I watched as an upstanding citizen was turned upside down as he broke his rear end after fallin on those slippery bricks. It was quite comical, but I hope the PRBSC can get right on it. This post is a bit over the top. I would expect an intellegent person such as yourself would be capable of expressings his thoughts in a more articulate and civil way.
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Post by Libyan Sibyl on Jan 23, 2008 15:22:52 GMT -5
Speaking of committees that are not heard from very often.... Someone should reach out to the " Pretty Red Brick Sidewalk Commission" and let them know that those pretty red bricks are really slippery. Last night I watched as an upstanding citizen was turned upside down as he broke his rear end after fallin on those slippery bricks. It was quite comical, but I hope the PRBSC can get right on it. This post is a bit over the top. I would expect an intellegent person such as yourself would be capable of expressing his thoughts in a more articulate and civil way. ahhh - touche! I wonder if the bricks have resulted in any lawsuits for trip and fall accidents - as the bricks sometimes come up from their resting place... Would be an interesting comparison...
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