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Post by Marc LeVine on Sept 7, 2007 11:51:25 GMT -5
Just having some Friday fun. Even Councilpeople can have a good laugh once in awhile. You provided one. Thank you!! Marc  |
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Sept 7, 2007 11:52:02 GMT -5
With all due respect Fiber and Marc, but I personally did not read Zeus' entry as a sinister bait, but rather just pointing out to me that I may have been a bit too idealistic, that "be careful" this behavior still exists out there. I chose to read it as someone trying to educate me, or at least encourage me to open my eyes a bit more. I have no problem with it, again, learning and pondering is growing and evolving. Just my opinion. Look hard.... IMO  |
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Sept 7, 2007 12:01:42 GMT -5
Just having some Friday fun. Even Councilpeople can have a good laugh once in awhile. You provided one. Thank you!! Marc My reward, a talking Gefilte fish WOW, Happy New Year |
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Post by LS on Sept 7, 2007 12:04:16 GMT -5
With all due respect Fiber and Marc, but I personally did not read Zeus' entry as a sinister bait, but rather just pointing out to me that I may have been a bit too idealistic, that "be careful" this behavior still exists out there. I chose to read it as someone trying to educate me, or at least encourage me to open my eyes a bit more. I have no problem with it, again, learning and pondering is growing and evolving. Just my opinion. It's not baiting so much as over-reaching. |
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Sept 7, 2007 12:04:26 GMT -5
With all due respect Fiber and Marc, but I personally did not read Zeus' entry as a sinister bait, but rather just pointing out to me that I may have been a bit too idealistic, that "be careful" this behavior still exists out there. I chose to read it as someone trying to educate me, or at least encourage me to open my eyes a bit more. I have no problem with it, again, learning and pondering is growing and evolving. Just my opinion. Its still 2D 2 me!  |
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Post by Marc LeVine on Sept 7, 2007 12:11:38 GMT -5
Fiber: Happy New Year to you too! For next week we deal with our sins!!! For me, I just hope that God isn't working off Zeus' and Casual Reader's list. If so, I'll be in temple for awhile   |
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Sept 7, 2007 12:13:20 GMT -5
Fiber -- I don't understand the spinner image -- what does that signify? The figure spins BOTH clock wise and counter clock wise! Look Close, then follow the shadow on the bottom! |
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Post by Marc LeVine on Sept 7, 2007 12:17:06 GMT -5
Calliope: Sometimes our friend Fiber seeks things a little differently than the rest of us...  |
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Post by LS on Sept 7, 2007 12:23:51 GMT -5
Fiber -- I don't understand the spinner image -- what does that signify? FIGFY posted an optical illusion. The photo appears to be 3 dimensional, but obviously it is not. Zeus has posted random news stories to give the appearance of systemic break-down by police. In reality, it was how you originally penned it Calliope - they are trained professionals, and on ocassion, a few officers may behave badly - but you still cannot say that all officers behave badly all the time, and even further you still cannot say that a few bad officers behave badly all the time. Zeus, I'll buy your argument of stereotyping police as villians if you also apply that same generalization to hispanic illegal aliens - we know a few are rapists and murderers and therefore they all do. |
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Sept 7, 2007 12:46:12 GMT -5
Calliope: Sometimes our friend Fiber seeks things a little differently than the rest of us... Marc, my secret FIBER OPTICS are now exposed!!! Anyway, back to your point, some one has to d**n it!!!  |
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Post by Marc LeVine on Sept 7, 2007 12:55:09 GMT -5
Bottom-line is that there's enough on the Internet to pull from to support eiher side of almost any argument. It's our value judgments regarding what we read and hear that matter most. That's our internal filter.
Amazing, if we didn't have the Internet at our fingertips, split second research would be virtually responsible and we wouldn't be having real-time discussions in the same manner as we are.
Marc
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Sept 7, 2007 12:59:32 GMT -5
Frustrating. Sorry I cannot discern anything; it makes no sense to me. If it is like one of those bedeviling Magic Eye things, I'm lost. I can't seem to ever find the hidden picture. If you look at the spinning girl's silhouette below, you will think it is spinning clockwise, probably. When you check her shadow below, momentarily the spinning direction changes in your mind, and now the girl is spinning counter-clockwise. It can be quite hard at the beginning to notice switch of the spinning direction, but eventually you'll manage. Now, be honest - how long did it take you to see it spin in both directions? Depending on the paralex, point of views on "things", can be cleverly misdirects so "things" get spun around quite cleverly! Even if you see "things" moving one direction, you may be deceived by the deceivers, when the truth is no where close to the reality being sold! I always consider the source before the content! |
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Post by Marc LeVine on Sept 7, 2007 13:10:21 GMT -5
Point well taken. I'll often give people the benefit of the doubt though. I figure it this way - even the "boy who cried wolf" needed to be taken seriously that one last time. And from my perspective, if he cried out to someone named Wolf, at least he was wise enough to choose a "lanceman." Right Fiber?  I expect that Calliope and MrPR1981 may be the only ones to figure this one out.  |
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Post by Marc LeVine on Sept 7, 2007 13:16:11 GMT -5
 W-O-L-F!!! Boo Hoo!! Oh...W-O-L-F!!!!!!! So? You called?  |
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Post by Zeus on Sept 7, 2007 13:21:52 GMT -5
Value judgment...interesting choice of words Marc. As long as we agree that these vary depending on once views, than I'm fine with your comments. However if you are trying to state your VALUES as if they are universal truths, well than we are not in agreement. For instance you might make a comment regarding gay sex or premarital sex or spanking children as been wrong, and this might be consistent with a personal set of values or with the set of values of a group of people you associate with or know. However this cannot be stated as a universal truth or as a matter of fact. It is more related to a legal definition or something that you believe (religious or otherwise), but not fact. Bottom-line is that there's enough on the Internet to pull from to support eiher side of almost any argument. It's our value judgments regarding what we read and hear that matter most. That's our internal filter. Amazing, if we didn't have the Internet at our fingertips, split second research would be virtually responsible and we wouldn't be having real-time discussions in the same manner as we are. Marc |
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Post by LS on Sept 7, 2007 13:27:18 GMT -5
Marc,
what is the significance of the Star of David in Wolfe Blitzer's eyes?
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Post by Marc LeVine on Sept 7, 2007 13:32:11 GMT -5
You have your converts. Others have theirs. Headcount please... ...and the winning majority is...
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Post by Zeus on Sept 7, 2007 13:35:39 GMT -5
I'm not implying that the majority of officers are crocked, but if you are trying to deny that this is becoming a nationwide issue involving the extreme use of force by police elements. I think it might be time for you to take your head out of the sand. There isn't a week that goes by that one of this stories don't hit the front pages, I wouldn't call it "isolated incidents." www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6476www.cato.org/raidmap/Americans have long maintained that a man’s home is his castle and that he has the right to defend it from unlawful intruders. Unfortunately, that right may be disappearing. Over the last 25 years, America has seen a disturbing militarization of its civilian law enforcement, along with a dramatic and unsettling rise in the use of paramilitary police units (most commonly called Special Weapons and Tactics, or SWAT) for routine police work. The most common use of SWAT teams today is to serve narcotics warrants, usually with forced, unannounced entry into the home. These increasingly frequent raids, 40,000 per year by one estimate, are needlessly subjecting nonviolent drug offenders, bystanders, and wrongly targeted civilians to the terror of having their homes invaded while they’re sleeping, usually by teams of heavily armed paramilitary units dressed not as police officers but as soldiers. These raids bring unnecessary violence and provocation to nonviolent drug offenders, many of whom were guilty of only misdemeanors. The raids terrorize innocents when police mistakenly target the wrong residence. And they have resulted in dozens of needless deaths and injuries, not only of drug offenders, but also of police officers, children, bystanders, and innocent suspects. This paper presents a history and overview of the issue of paramilitary drug raids, provides an extensive catalogue of abuses and mistaken raids, and offers recommendations for reform. Fiber -- I don't understand the spinner image -- what does that signify? FIGFY posted an optical illusion. The photo appears to be 3 dimensional, but obviously it is not. Zeus has posted random news stories to give the appearance of systemic break-down by police. In reality, it was how you originally penned it Calliope - they are trained professionals, and on ocassion, a few officers may behave badly - but you still cannot say that all officers behave badly all the time, and even further you still cannot say that a few bad officers behave badly all the time. Zeus, I'll buy your argument of stereotyping police as villians if you also apply that same generalization to hispanic illegal aliens - we know a few are rapists and murderers and therefore they all do. |
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Post by Marc LeVine on Sept 7, 2007 13:35:43 GMT -5
It came with the photo. I suppose someone is saying that Blizter is Jewish and/or that he strongly supports the State of Israel. I'm not 100% sure if either is true.
Marc
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Post by Marc LeVine on Sept 7, 2007 13:44:15 GMT -5
Not necessarily a given, Calliope. I also can imagine that name as belonging to a fearless desert tank commander serving under Rommel in North Africa!!!  |
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Post by Marc LeVine on Sept 7, 2007 13:48:21 GMT -5
LEARN ENGLISH!!!
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Post by Marc LeVine on Sept 7, 2007 13:53:25 GMT -5
So...who is it that you prefer to enforce our laws or should we just do away with all laws, because they are too much trouble?
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Sept 7, 2007 13:58:12 GMT -5
Dont get Strip lined ..... This works good on BIG GAME FISH!  I'm not implying that the majority of officers are crocked, but if you are trying to deny that this is becoming a nationwide issue involving the extreme use of force by police elements. I think it might be time for you to take your head out of the sand. There isn't a week that goes by that one of this stories don't hit the front pages, I wouldn't call it "isolated incidents." www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6476www.cato.org/raidmap/Americans have long maintained that a man’s home is his castle and that he has the right to defend it from unlawful intruders. Unfortunately, that right may be disappearing. Over the last 25 years, America has seen a disturbing militarization of its civilian law enforcement, along with a dramatic and unsettling rise in the use of paramilitary police units (most commonly called Special Weapons and Tactics, or SWAT) for routine police work. The most common use of SWAT teams today is to serve narcotics warrants, usually with forced, unannounced entry into the home. These increasingly frequent raids, 40,000 per year by one estimate, are needlessly subjecting nonviolent drug offenders, bystanders, and wrongly targeted civilians to the terror of having their homes invaded while they’re sleeping, usually by teams of heavily armed paramilitary units dressed not as police officers but as soldiers. These raids bring unnecessary violence and provocation to nonviolent drug offenders, many of whom were guilty of only misdemeanors. The raids terrorize innocents when police mistakenly target the wrong residence. And they have resulted in dozens of needless deaths and injuries, not only of drug offenders, but also of police officers, children, bystanders, and innocent suspects. This paper presents a history and overview of the issue of paramilitary drug raids, provides an extensive catalogue of abuses and mistaken raids, and offers recommendations for reform. FIGFY posted an optical illusion. The photo appears to be 3 dimensional, but obviously it is not. Zeus has posted random news stories to give the appearance of systemic break-down by police. In reality, it was how you originally penned it Calliope - they are trained professionals, and on ocassion, a few officers may behave badly - but you still cannot say that all officers behave badly all the time, and even further you still cannot say that a few bad officers behave badly all the time. Zeus, I'll buy your argument of stereotyping police as villians if you also apply that same generalization to hispanic illegal aliens - we know a few are rapists and murderers and therefore they all do. |
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Post by Zeus on Sept 7, 2007 14:01:18 GMT -5
Marc, I'm talking about the unnecessary use of force by officers...I’m talking about police brutality (in most cases perpetuated against minorities). I’m not talking about the proper enforcement of the laws.  So...who is it that you prefer to enforce our laws or should we just do away with all laws, because they are too much trouble? |
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Sept 7, 2007 14:06:59 GMT -5
Please do not to "feed the trolls". I'm not implying that the majority of officers are crocked, but if you are trying to deny that this is becoming a nationwide issue involving the extreme use of force by police elements. I think it might be time for you to take your head out of the sand. There isn't a week that goes by that one of this stories don't hit the front pages, I wouldn't call it "isolated incidents." www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6476www.cato.org/raidmap/Americans have long maintained that a man’s home is his castle and that he has the right to defend it from unlawful intruders. Unfortunately, that right may be disappearing. Over the last 25 years, America has seen a disturbing militarization of its civilian law enforcement, along with a dramatic and unsettling rise in the use of paramilitary police units (most commonly called Special Weapons and Tactics, or SWAT) for routine police work. The most common use of SWAT teams today is to serve narcotics warrants, usually with forced, unannounced entry into the home. These increasingly frequent raids, 40,000 per year by one estimate, are needlessly subjecting nonviolent drug offenders, bystanders, and wrongly targeted civilians to the terror of having their homes invaded while they’re sleeping, usually by teams of heavily armed paramilitary units dressed not as police officers but as soldiers. These raids bring unnecessary violence and provocation to nonviolent drug offenders, many of whom were guilty of only misdemeanors. The raids terrorize innocents when police mistakenly target the wrong residence. And they have resulted in dozens of needless deaths and injuries, not only of drug offenders, but also of police officers, children, bystanders, and innocent suspects. This paper presents a history and overview of the issue of paramilitary drug raids, provides an extensive catalogue of abuses and mistaken raids, and offers recommendations for reform. FIGFY posted an optical illusion. The photo appears to be 3 dimensional, but obviously it is not. Zeus has posted random news stories to give the appearance of systemic break-down by police. In reality, it was how you originally penned it Calliope - they are trained professionals, and on ocassion, a few officers may behave badly - but you still cannot say that all officers behave badly all the time, and even further you still cannot say that a few bad officers behave badly all the time. Zeus, I'll buy your argument of stereotyping police as villians if you also apply that same generalization to hispanic illegal aliens - we know a few are rapists and murderers and therefore they all do.
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Post by Marc LeVine on Sept 7, 2007 14:07:02 GMT -5
Bad choice of photo. I had flashbacks to my briss! Ouch!!!
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Sept 7, 2007 14:09:00 GMT -5
Please do not to "feed the trolls".Marc, I'm talking about the unnecessary use of force by officers...I’m talking about police brutality (in most cases perpetuated against minorities). I’m not talking about the proper enforcement of the laws. So...who is it that you prefer to enforce our laws or should we just do away with all laws, because they are too much trouble?
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Sept 7, 2007 14:11:35 GMT -5
Bad choice of photo. I had flashbacks to my briss! Ouch!!! You had a squid? OMG Did you have a Moile or a fish monger???  |
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Post by LS on Sept 7, 2007 14:14:28 GMT -5
It came with the photo. I suppose someone is saying that Blizter is Jewish and/or that he strongly supports the State of Israel. I'm not 100% sure if either is true. Marc the website that Marc grabbed this pic from is anti-Israel/anti Jewish, etc... I took the liberty of checking out the "properties" of the picture and they lead to a nazi website. "america's nazi party" |
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Post by Zeus on Sept 7, 2007 14:14:48 GMT -5
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