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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Aug 15, 2007 9:33:43 GMT -5
Something smells wrong here! I read about Illegal immigrants, and Downtown but vacuous COMMITMENT TO HOMEOWNERS, the investor/voters, THE LION SHARE TAX BASE AND CONSTITUENTS WHO ARE BEING BRUSHED ASIDE FOR TRENTON POLITICS! newstranscript.gmnews.com/news/2007/0815/Front_Page/055.htmlFreehold mayor seeks spot on new immigration panel BY MARK ROSMAN Staff Writer FREEHOLD - Mayor Michael Wilson is asking Gov. Jon Corzine to name him to a new panel that has been charged with developing recommendations "for a comprehensive and strategic statewide approach to successfully integrating immigrants in the state." In an Aug. 8 letter to the governor, Wilson, who has been Freehold Borough's mayor since 1985, said, "I applaud the action you have taken with the establishment of a Blue Ribbon Panel on Immigrant Policy to comprehensively study the immigration issue. This issue, more than any other, continues to have a significant impact on Freehold Borough." Last week in remarks delivered at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, Corzine announced the creation of the blue ribbon panel to study the impact of immigration on New Jersey. According to a press release from Corzine's office, the panel will develop recommendations for a comprehensive and strategic statewide approach to successfully integrating immigrants in the state. The press release makes no differentiation between legal and illegal immigrants who reside in New Jersey. "For years New Jersey has been a gateway to America - a place of opportunity and new beginnings," Corzine said. "And today we take an important step in creating a comprehensive statewide strategy for weaving immigrants into the economic, social and civic fabric of our communities and state." In his letter, Wilson told Corzine that " the impact of this dilemma (immigration) has both its advantages and disadvantages. The positive advantages are obvious and they are welcome. The influx of immigrants has enriched our town's culture with a group of individuals who have a profound work ethic, strong family and religious values, and have even added new, vibrant businesses to our downtown." The mayor continued, saying, "The advantage of this new community, however, comes with its share of challenges. The unchecked flow of immigrants into our town and country has resulted in overcrowded, unsafe housing and has overtaxed our school system beyond both its physical and financial capacity." Wilson told the governor that he believes his " longevity in office coupled with my hands-on experience with this complex issue makes me eminently qualified to serve both you and the people of my town. I would be most appreciative if you would take heed of my offer." According to the press release from Corzine's office, the Governor's Blue Ribbon Advisory Panel on Immigrant Policy will examine a number of areas important to New Jersey's immigrant population, including education, citizenship status, civil rights, fair housing, healthcare, language proficiency and employment and workforce training. The panel will be chaired by New Jersey Public Advocate Ron Chen and must report its findings and recommendations to the governor by the 15th month after its organizational meeting. |
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Post by bergsteiger on Aug 15, 2007 9:53:31 GMT -5
Bad move Mayor, longevity in office? Maybe not for long. That’s the wrong Blue Ribbon Panel to be on in my opinion.  |
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Aug 15, 2007 9:59:11 GMT -5
What happened to this MAYOR?, did he find a new press secretary? [/color]http://newstranscript.gmnews.com/news/2006/0510/Front_page/114.html
Freehold mayor takes illegal aliens to task
BY CLARE MARIE CELANO
Staff Writer
FREEHOLD - Mayor Michael Wilson told anyone who attended the Borough Council's May 1 meeting exactly what he thought of a rally that brought more than 200 immigrants to the borough earlier that day.
The immigrants - those who are in the United States legally and those who are here without the permission of the government - rallied in an attempt to prove their economic value to the nation and to decry federal legislation that would make being in the United States illegally a felony. The House of Representatives has passed such a bill, but the Senate has not.
In a statement he read near the end of the May 1 council meeting, Wilson said, "There is a beautiful irony in today's protest by illegal immigrants. Those who have shown no respect for the laws of this sovereign nation by crossing our borders illegally, and once here, by working here illegally, demand greater rights than those who have worked and toiled to be a part of this country through legal means.
"These protesters are doing here what they cannot do in their own country - enjoy the right of free speech. Imagine these protests occurring in front of (Mexican president) Vincente Fox's home.
"And while it is the very essence of who we are as Americans to allow everyone to speak freely, it is a bitter pill to swallow when that right is being used to taunt law-abiding citizens and legal immigrants by demanding that they should be exempt from the laws and regulations that govern immigrants from every other nation or part of the world who seek a better life here in America. While workers from Eastern Europe, Africa and all other reaches of the globe spend years of waiting and filling out forms and requests to immigrate to this country, today's protesters feel that they should not be subject to these same requirements. They believe that they, above everyone else, have the right to cross our borders and avail themselves of all the benefits that our nation has to offer without being subject to our rules and laws," the mayor said.
"They come without vaccinations or medical clearance, without criminal background checks, and without legal documentation.
"The alleged message today is that these millions who cross our borders illegally are vital to our economy. They claim they do jobs Americans will not do. The truth is that they get jobs because they undermine the American worker by undercutting wages and benefits. In truth, they place a severe burden on our economy by overcrowding the schools and housing stock, by availing themselves of medical care at hospitals that is reimbursed from the public pocket for this uncovered care. And all this is happening at the same time that the working poor of America cannot find affordable housing and are denied medical care - when the displaced poor of New Orleans and the Gulf Coast are still homeless and jobless after Hurricane Katrina," Wilson said.
"Until we can care for our own poor and homeless, people who are willing to work for a decent and legal wage, until we can provide affordable housing for Americans who work full time, we should not entertain any thoughts of legitimizing illegal immigrants. We cannot lose sight of the ideals upon which this nation was founded - E Pluribis Unum - From Many, One."
Asked to respond to Wilson's comments, Frank Argote-Freyre, director of the Monmouth County Chapter of the Latino Leadership Alliance, said, "For the last three years Mayor Wilson has treated us to one disgraceful display of divisiveness after another. His speech before the council on May 1 was more of the same. Lacking ideas and a constructive program for Freehold Borough, Mayor Wilson chose to scapegoat immigrants.
"Immigration is a complex issue, presenting both opportunities and challenges. Mayor Wilson only chooses to emphasize what he perceives as the negatives. He does this for his political advantage, so he can divide people against each other. Who profits from this? Mayor Wilson and his tired, old, good-old-boy network that has run the borough for more than 20 years," Argote-Freyre said.
"The mayor, since it does not fit his political agenda, fails to acknowledge the economic revival taking place across the borough as a result of the immigrant community. From Broad Street to South Street to Main Street - the borough is thriving. Latino businesses are fueling the renaissance. [/u]
"The immigration rallies on May 1 were aimed at promoting comprehensive and fair immigration reform. The system is broken and needs to be fixed. You cannot use immigrant labor to provide child care for our children, mow our lawns, serve us our food and do our dirty work and then discard them. They are part of the solution and must be considered in any immigration reform legislation.
"As the debate continues, Mayor Wilson needs to be reminded that he is supposed to serve all the residents of his community - not just those that look like him," Argote-Freyre said.
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Aug 15, 2007 10:45:51 GMT -5
Bad move Mayor, longevity in office? Maybe not for long. That’s the wrong Blue Ribbon Panel to be on in my opinion. More like a New Haven CT. style Red White and Green Ribbon Panel! How do you groom/court a prospective voting block for the Governor? Has anyone outside of the privacy of the Council Chambers seen the Oct 06' Settlement? |
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Aug 15, 2007 11:19:54 GMT -5
Forgive me Fiber, but I don't see how anything “smells” here, just from reading this particular NT article. My viewpoint is that there is a population that exists and has existed here and in many other towns/cities nationwide. This has all come about due to the total failure of the Federal Government to have reacted and appropriately address this burgeoning problem years ago; they sat back and did nothing when border crossing became the norm, not an isolated wave or two. This is the reality. It appears to me that this mayor wants to contribute to providing suggestions and solutions for such a panel, and for this aging and looming issue in general. After all, he's been dealing with this issue for quite a while. It isn't easy trying to keep everybody happy and do so lawfully. At least this mayor is trying to do what he can to try to find some balance. Overall, regarding Corzine’s panel/plan, at least he h as recognized that somehow, something must be done. Better than ignoring it all, in my opinion. I respect that at least these folks decided to address the issue starting with a panel. I see your POV. However other the majority of Mayors, congressmen and senators are of a different opinion. I share this different, majority opinion too! Remember.... "when that right is being used to taunt law-abiding citizens and legal immigrants by demanding that they should be exempt from the laws and regulations that govern immigrants from every other nation or part of the world who seek a better life here in America. While workers from Eastern Europe, Africa and all other reaches of the globe spend years of waiting and filling out forms and requests to immigrate to this country, today's protesters feel that they should not be subject to these same requirements. They believe that they, above everyone else, have the right to cross our borders and avail themselves of all the benefits that our nation has to offer without being subject to our rules and laws," It was correct last year, is is correct today, and will be correct tomorrow! |
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Post by bergsteiger on Aug 15, 2007 11:33:24 GMT -5
I agree something must be done.
How about a blue ribbon panel to discuss how we could enforce the laws that are on the books right now?
How about a blue ribbon panel to discuss what actions this state could take to protect it’s citizens against the criminals like the Illegal Alien gang-members who raped and killed those boys in Newark.
How about a blue ribbon panel to discuss providing some tax relief to citizens who are being over burdened by education, healthcare, and a hundred other social services to anyone who decides they want a better life at our expense.
I tired of the excuses.
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Aug 15, 2007 11:57:26 GMT -5
OK very simple (AGAIN) Guest Worker visa. you go to a US State Dept office and apply. You need to prove a) you have a job here in the US secured b) you have a place to live secured c) you have the proper inoculations and pass the medical requirements. I'll make it even simpler, You have a job and roof waiting for you, and your healthy by US Standards. Please remember too, that eveidence may be required to show that you are not take a job away from a american too! This is the work visa process. What new laws do we need, Why is there a rush to decriminalize those who have chosen the "Break in and Entry" method that unfairly burdens us all. When the parties over, its time to leave, and the band is now playing its last tune.....  |
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Aug 15, 2007 12:29:14 GMT -5
I agree something must be done. How about a blue ribbon panel to discuss how we could enforce the laws that are on the books right now? How about a blue ribbon panel to discuss what actions this state could take to protect it’s citizens against the criminals like the Illegal Alien gang-members who raped and killed those boys in Newark. How about a blue ribbon panel to discuss providing some tax relief to citizens who are being over burdened by education, healthcare, and a hundred other social services to anyone who decides they want a better life at our expense. I tired of the excuses. Why was Petra Hernandes, an admitted illegal alien, along with the many, many other repeat offenders that have had a brush with law enforcement not been deported? Why is it not reasonable to expect obedience to the LAW as a signal of appreciation for living this country, particularl from "Good Citizen Illegal Aliens"? |
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Post by LaTreena P King on Aug 15, 2007 20:23:14 GMT -5
OK very simple (AGAIN) Guest Worker visa. you go to a US State Dept office and apply. You need to prove a) you have a job here in the US secured b) you have a place to live secured c) you have the proper inoculations and pass the medical requirements. I'll make it even simpler, You have a job and roof waiting for you, and your healthy by US Standards. Please remember too, that evidence may be required to show that you are not take a job away from a American too! This is the work visa process. What new laws do we need, Why is there a rush to decriminalize those who have chosen the "Break in and Entry" method that unfairly burdens us all. When the parties over, its time to leave, and the band is now playing its last tune..... Even simpler, cross the boarder under cover of darkness and come to Freehold Boro, or any other sanctuary city. Keep a low profile as best as you can, while you do what you want regardless. Just have a hand full of aliases like Petra, Carmen, Consuela, Dora, Alma, etc.. Thats the convenience of being undocumented, you can almost get a way with murder. |
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Post by Bill S Hit on Aug 15, 2007 20:53:09 GMT -5
Bad move Mayor, longevity in office? Maybe not for long. That’s the wrong Blue Ribbon Panel to be on in my opinion. There is no opposition, so what the hay Wilson's good for the next four years. Not to long ago I had admired this man because he stood his ground and drew the line, now he just follows the Dem party line like a good hack. Surprised you didn't pick up on this fiber, thought you where smart. Mr Arogte-Frey '06 "acknowledge the economic revival taking place across the borough as a result of the immigrant community. From Broad Street to South Street to Main Street - the borough is thriving. Latino businesses are fueling the renaissance." Mayor Wilson '07 "advantages are obvious and they are welcome. ....have even added new, vibrant businesses to our downtown" Now they both speak the same political language. |
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Post by Marc LeVine on Aug 16, 2007 8:41:14 GMT -5
Be pleased that someone who actually understands the impact of illegal immigration on small NJ towns is requesting to be on that committee. And, let's see if our bold Governor is willing to stir the pot by accepting some counterpoints within the discussions to take place.
Believe me, our Mayor wouldn't be going to those meetings with rose colored glasses. He'd be going with two outstreched hands -- one, welcoming the quality people who will eventually gain legalization and remain FB residents, in good standing, and the other to receive something back from Trenton to help Freehold Borough cope with its present problems related to the massive influx -- $$$$ and better control over abuse of our laws.
Let's just hope the committee also receives similar interest from other "experienced" NJ Mayors such as Wildes (Englewood), Wekilski (Boonton), Hilton (Riverside) and Lonegan (Bogota) to balance disussion on the issues, discussed. Along with Mayor Wilson, these are Mayors right in the thick of the matter.
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Post by admin on Aug 16, 2007 8:56:51 GMT -5
Be pleased that someone who actually understands the impact of illegal immigration on small NJ towns is requesting to be on that committee. And, let's see if our bold Governor is willing to stir the pot by accepting some counterpoints within the discussions to take place. Believe me, our Mayor wouldn't be going to those meetings with rose colored glasses. He'd be going with two outstreched hands -- one, welcoming the quality people who will eventually gain legalization and remain FB residents, in good standing, and the other to receive something back from Trenton to help Freehold Borough cope with its present problems related to the massive influx -- $$$$ and better control over abuse of our laws. Let's just hope the committee also receives similar interest from other "experienced" NJ Mayors such as Wildes (Englewood), Wekilski (Boonton), Hilton (Riverside) and Lonegan (Bogota) to balance disussion on the issues, discussed. Along with Mayor Wilson, these are Mayors right in the thick of the matter. Marc Marc, I was going to come back to this thread myself. Although I think it is way too premature to go on the attack toward our Mayor, I can understand the concerns the above participants have expressed. As we have discussed here on other threads, most of us see this blue ribbon panel as a fraud. Look at who is appointing it. Most of us are skeptical that anything good will come from it. For that reason alone, Mayor Wilson would be wise to be careful what he puts his name and time into. In fifteen months when this panel puts out it's recomendations, does our Mayor want to be associated with a sell out of our state? I share your view that it would be good to have one of our own on the panel. When I read it, my first reaction was " go Mayor". My second reaction is the Corzine is a socialist and will not do the right things as he has not with anything he has done while in office. There is an old saying-- Dance with the devil and you WILL get burned. Our Mayor would be wise to use caution. Marc, you also mention that the illegals will gain legal status. Do not put so much faith in that. It is a piece of the puzzle with merit, but it is one of the least important aspects of the illegal immigration debate. If you and the council are putting faith in that as the best part of our solutions, we are screwed. |
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Post by LS on Aug 16, 2007 9:11:08 GMT -5
wow, that's great!!!
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Aug 16, 2007 9:54:18 GMT -5
A committee is not what is needed, we all know the problem and the cost! We need local, state and fed cooperation through enforcment. Capitulation and accommodation of criminal behavior only encourages more of the same. Because criminal "Illegal" activity is now at a critical mass, tweaking laws that are not enforced is not a solutions. Like moving the Goal post or moving home plate closer to 3rd base during the game to make it easier to score. www.wfmz.com/view/?id=137384Northampton County District Attorney John Morganelli says agents from the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency have arrested five illegal immigrants working at a construction site in Hanover Township, Northampton County. Morganelli says the men are from El Salvador. WFMZ's Joscelyn Moes reports. Resolute action taken by John Morganelli is to be commended. This Governor would better serve The taxpayers, home owners and voters with a committee of Prosecutors and DA's to fix the problem. A room full of Mayors and elected officials will provide a divisive pandering session. Money and votes?!?! When this Governor talks of 100K "Affordable" housing units in NJ, who is he looking to house? How about education and job skills programs to help those constituents to better afford housing. We already have programs today that address affordable housing. A rewards program for criminals is not why my grandparents LEGALY imagrated here, and this is not the lesson we teach our children. IMO |
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Post by LS on Aug 16, 2007 10:27:36 GMT -5
This committee sounds like a bunch of BS. It doesn't address the problem of illegal immigration and its numerous problems. It is simply a committee to integrate immigrants.
Why do we need a committe and spend taxpayer dollars on integration programs???
okay, so it's not great. See, I have to turn to being negative. I can't help myself.
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Post by richardkelsey on Aug 16, 2007 10:50:13 GMT -5
Something smells wrong here! I read about Illegal immigrants, and Downtown but vacuous COMMITMENT TO HOMEOWNERS, the investor/voters, THE LION SHARE TAX BASE AND CONSTITUENTS WHO ARE BEING BRUSHED ASIDE FOR TRENTON POLITICS! newstranscript.gmnews.com/news/2007/0815/Front_Page/055.htmlFreehold mayor seeks spot on new immigration panel BY MARK ROSMAN Staff Writer FREEHOLD - Mayor Michael Wilson is asking Gov. Jon Corzine to name him to a new panel that has been charged with developing recommendations "for a comprehensive and strategic statewide approach to successfully integrating immigrants in the state." In an Aug. 8 letter to the governor, Wilson, who has been Freehold Borough's mayor since 1985, said, "I applaud the action you have taken with the establishment of a Blue Ribbon Panel on Immigrant Policy to comprehensively study the immigration issue. This issue, more than any other, continues to have a significant impact on Freehold Borough." Last week in remarks delivered at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, Corzine announced the creation of the blue ribbon panel to study the impact of immigration on New Jersey. According to a press release from Corzine's office, the panel will develop recommendations for a comprehensive and strategic statewide approach to successfully integrating immigrants in the state. The press release makes no differentiation between legal and illegal immigrants who reside in New Jersey. "For years New Jersey has been a gateway to America - a place of opportunity and new beginnings," Corzine said. "And today we take an important step in creating a comprehensive statewide strategy for weaving immigrants into the economic, social and civic fabric of our communities and state." In his letter, Wilson told Corzine that " the impact of this dilemma (immigration) has both its advantages and disadvantages. The positive advantages are obvious and they are welcome. The influx of immigrants has enriched our town's culture with a group of individuals who have a profound work ethic, strong family and religious values, and have even added new, vibrant businesses to our downtown." The mayor continued, saying, "The advantage of this new community, however, comes with its share of challenges. The unchecked flow of immigrants into our town and country has resulted in overcrowded, unsafe housing and has overtaxed our school system beyond both its physical and financial capacity." Wilson told the governor that he believes his " longevity in office coupled with my hands-on experience with this complex issue makes me eminently qualified to serve both you and the people of my town. I would be most appreciative if you would take heed of my offer." According to the press release from Corzine's office, the Governor's Blue Ribbon Advisory Panel on Immigrant Policy will examine a number of areas important to New Jersey's immigrant population, including education, citizenship status, civil rights, fair housing, healthcare, language proficiency and employment and workforce training. The panel will be chaired by New Jersey Public Advocate Ron Chen and must report its findings and recommendations to the governor by the 15th month after its organizational meeting. Okay -- I am going to take a day or two before writing on this one -- lest I write something I regret. But I will say, the quoted material from the Mayor's letter makes me VERY unhappy. |
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Aug 16, 2007 11:56:35 GMT -5
I know I hold a viewpoint that is rather rare here. But here it is. This is how I have viewed the entire situation, and this is all, obviously, my opinion and insight. We have a population of folks, for the most part and in general, are hard workers. Hence, a potential human resource that if cultivated properly can be quite productive and enrich the fabric of this nation. Integration, helping these folks attain some sort of VISA or citizenship is a sensible solution. Why? Because is it really fiscally feasible and physically possible to round up every illegal alien and send them straight back home? No. Of course not. Just imagine what that would entail – approaching everyone who looks like “an illegal immigrant” (profiling) to show immediate proof of US citizenry, then if they don’t have it, herd them into a huge van. That van goes to a huge warehouse of sorts, with specific rooms representing specific nations. The illegal immigrant hangs out in his room (South Korea, Guatamala, Mexico, Jamaica, etc.) and waits to be shuttled to the airport for the next flight to his original home. (Besides for felonious and repeat offenders definitely – one-way boot back home. Immediately.) And, integration keeps the future in mind, as I said, potentially enhancing the productivity, the human resources of this nation. After all, in my opinion, this nation has been built and allowed to thrive in large part from myriad transplants and their descendants. The reality is that millions of illegal immigrants have been here for awhile. The choice is to ship ‘em all back home or find a way of making their presence work, integration, implementing tax paying programs, etc. This is not a solution that will be niftily packaged in a few short months. This is my diatribe of the day. I gotta get back to work. Very well stated, and noted!  |
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Post by Marc LeVine on Aug 16, 2007 13:19:18 GMT -5
Brian:
Corzine is going to form this committee one way or another. Better to be part of the process than to be a victim of it. I wouldn't want the wrong people in any room negotiating my future. I'd want to have my say and maybe get to change a few minds along the way.
The legalization issue IS a big piece of the issue - because it says alot about what future relations are going to look like with a large number of people likely to remain here. We need to have a balanced appproach of lawful compliance and human rights. If those committees come off as one sided "let's make unconditionally nice," we will have lost alot of what we, as a small town suffering from illegal immigration issues, are entitled to.
In short, we need a voice on ANY federal, state or county commission or committee arranged to directly or indirectly decide our future.
Marc
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Post by Marc LeVine on Aug 16, 2007 13:22:22 GMT -5
The Mayor will then have the right to PUBLICALLY object to what has been agreed upon if he does not think it benefits our town.
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Post by confounded guest on Aug 16, 2007 15:40:55 GMT -5
The Mayor will then have the right to PUBLICLY object to what has been agreed upon if he does not think it benefits our town. Marc After looking over this thread, I must comment. I am not being negative, I am confounded by this onion committee. The more I peal it back, the more I cry. The Mayor, as well as any citizen can publicly object regardless of a committee appointment. Read up on the appointed Committee head, Ronald Chen. He is a long standing advocate for Amnesty. This Mayor, other Mayors in the same boat all stand together, in the steps of the state house, hold a press conference discussing how the Federal Government and this State has failed to resolve illegal immigration at the great cost to small municipalities. Council member from these municipalities should be present too. 15 months for a committee is waiting time. This is typical for NJ politics. Look how long it has taken for a School Funding Formula. Who is leading the charge for this committee michaelwildes.org/CorzineInitiatesImmigrationPanel.htmEnglewood Mayor Michael Wildes, one of four panel members from Bergen County, says working as an immigration attorney and serving as the mayor of a city with a large immigrant population allows him to see both sides of the immigration issue. "How do you address this as seamlessly as possible so we are not at risk for bringing people into the system and treat them with dignity?" Wildes said. www.michaelwildes.org/profile.aspSenator Kennedy most recently said he has "high expectations" that Michael Wildes will be joining them in the United States Congress in the future. The Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) voted him one of their “100 National Up and Coming Leaders to Watch. www.michaelwildes.org/WildesForSenate.htmHere are additional committee member I have found... Monsignor William Reilly, pastor of Most Holy Name Roman Catholic Church in Garfield. He helps immigrants in North Jersey adjust to life here, often representing them as they deal with paperwork and court appearances in their quest for permanent residence. Samer E. Khalaf of Paramus, an attorney who serves on the board of directors for the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee's New Jersey chapter. Ralph Rivera Jr. of Ridgefield Park. . Please post the names of others who have been appointed. Is there balance, this is looking stacked. |
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Post by Eisenhowers balls on Aug 16, 2007 16:32:42 GMT -5
I know I hold a viewpoint that is rather rare here. But here it is. This is how I have viewed the entire situation, and this is all, obviously, my opinion and insight. We have a population of folks, for the most part and in general, are hard workers. Hence, a potential human resource that if cultivated properly can be quite productive and enrich the fabric of this nation. Integration, helping these folks attain some sort of VISA or citizenship is a sensible solution. Why? Because is it really fiscally feasible and physically possible to round up every illegal alien and send them straight back home? No. Of course not. Just imagine what that would entail – approaching everyone who looks like “an illegal immigrant” (profiling) to show immediate proof of US citizenry, then if they don’t have it, herd them into a huge van. That van goes to a huge warehouse of sorts, with specific rooms representing specific nations. The illegal immigrant hangs out in his room (South Korea, Guatamala, Mexico, Jamaica, etc.) and waits to be shuttled to the airport for the next flight to his original home. (Besides for felonious and repeat offenders definitely – one-way boot back home. Immediately.) And, integration keeps the future in mind, as I said, potentially enhancing the productivity, the human resources of this nation. After all, in my opinion, this nation has been built and allowed to thrive in large part from myriad transplants and their descendants. The reality is that millions of illegal immigrants have been here for awhile. The choice is to ship ‘em all back home or find a way of making their presence work, integration, implementing tax paying programs, etc. This is not a solution that will be niftily packaged in a few short months. This is my diatribe of the day. I gotta get back to work. Hard work and cultural enrichment? This is uninformed and confused by contrived bleedinghart spin. Immigration quotas are established for a reason. This country needs Scientists, Technologists, Engineers, Medical Professionals. The well educated hard workers are who enrich this great land. Economic migrants, generally do not gain legal admission, refugees, as defined by international law, can gain legal status through a process of seeking and receiving asylum, either by being designated a refugee while abroad or by physically entering the United States and requesting asylee status thereafter. A specified number of legally defined refugees, who either apply for asylum overseas or after arriving in the U.S., are admitted annually. Refugees compose about one-tenth of the total annual immigration to the United States, though some large refugee populations are very prominent. Since World War II, more refugees have found homes in the U.S. than any other nation and more than two million refugees have arrived in the U.S. since 1980. Of the top ten countries accepting resettled refugees in 2006, the United States accepted more than twice as much as the next nine countries combined. For example, Japan accepted just 16 refugees in 1999, while the United States took in 85,010 for resettlement, according to the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR). The US will accept 70,000 refugees in FY 2007 and President Bush stated that his eventual goal is a program that resettles 90,000 refugees in the United States each year. In 2006, the State Department officially re-opened the Vietnamese resettlement program. In recent years, the main refugee sending-region has been Africa (Somalia, Liberia, Sudan, Ethiopia).[61] A July 22, 2007 article notes that in the past nine months only 133 of the planned 7000 Iraqi refugees were allowed into the United States A History lesson on illegal immigration Burgeoning numbers of illegal aliens prompted President Dwight D. Eisenhower to appoint his longtime friend, General Joseph Swing, as INS Commissioner. According to Attorney General Herbert Brownell Jr., Eisenhower had a sense of urgency about illegal immigration immediately upon taking office. In a letter to Sen. William Fulbright, Eisenhower quoted a report in The New York Times that said: "The rise in illegal border-crossing by Mexican 'human beings' to a current rate of more than 1,000,000 cases a year has been accompanied by a curious relaxation in ethical standards extending all the way from the farmer-exploiters of this contraband labor to the highest levels of the Federal Government." Eisenhower became increasingly concerned that profits from illegal labor led to corruption. An on-and-off guest-worker program for Mexicans was operating at the time, and farmers and ranchers in the Southwest were becoming dependent on additional low-cost labor. The operation was modeled after the deportation program that invited American citizens of Mexican ancestry to go back to Mexico during the Great Depression because of the bad economy north of the border. See Mexican Repatriation. Operation The operation began in California and Arizona and coordinated 1,075 Border Patrol agents along with state and local police agencies to mount an aggressive crackdown, going as far as police sweeps of Mexican-American neighborhoods and random stops and ID checks of "Mexican-looking" people in a region with many Native Americans and native Hispanics.[1] In some cases, illegal immigrants were deported along with their American-born children, who were by law U.S. citizens. The agents used a wide brush in their criteria for interrogating potential aliens. They adopted the practice of stopping "Mexican-looking" citizens on the street and asking for identification. 750 agents targeted agricultural areas with a goal of 1000 apprehensions a day. By the end of July, over 50,000 aliens were caught in the two states. Around 488,000 people fled the country for fear of being apprehended. By September, 80,000 had been taken into custody in Texas, and the INS estimates that 500,000-700,000 illegals had left Texas voluntarily. To discourage re-entry, buses and trains took many illegals deep within Mexico before being set free. Tens of thousands more were put aboard two hired ships, the Emancipation and the Mercurio. The ships ferried the aliens from Port Isabel, Texas, to Veracruz, Mexico, more than 500 miles (900 kilometers) south. |
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Aug 16, 2007 16:49:06 GMT -5
The operation began in California and Arizona and coordinated 1,075 Border Patrol agents along with state and local police agencies to mount an aggressive crackdown, going as far as police sweeps of Mexican-American neighborhoods and random stops and ID checks of "Mexican-looking" people in a region with many Native Americans and native Hispanics.[1] In some cases, illegal immigrants were deported along with their American-born children, who were by law U.S. citizens. The agents used a wide brush in their criteria for interrogating potential aliens. They adopted the practice of stopping "Mexican-looking" citizens on the street and asking for identification. 750 agents targeted agricultural areas with a goal of 1000 apprehensions a day. By the end of July, over 50,000 aliens were caught in the two states. Around 488,000 people fled the country for fear of being apprehended. By September, 80,000 had been taken into custody in Texas, and the INS estimates that 500,000-700,000 illegals had left Texas voluntarily. To discourage re-entry, buses and trains took many illegals deep within Mexico before being set free. Tens of thousands more were put aboard two hired ships, the Emancipation and the Mercurio. The ships ferried the aliens from Port Isabel, Texas, to Veracruz, Mexico, more than 500 miles (900 kilometers) south. 488,000 people fled the country for fear of being apprehended, Riiiiight......., then came the ACLU. I don't see this happening today E.B.! And this I liked..Eisenhower quoted a report in The New York Times that said: "The rise in illegal border-crossing by Mexican 'human beings' to a current rate of more than 1,000,000 cases a year has been accompanied by a curious relaxation in ethical standards extending all the way from the farmer-exploiters of this contraband labor to the highest levels of the Federal Government." A report like this in the NY Times? "contraband labor"!!! Well stated Wow that that help get the Fed's on the job ahhh...Those fabulous 50's, |
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Post by bergsteiger on Aug 17, 2007 8:14:29 GMT -5
At least Corzine is admitting that this state has reached critical mass regarding unassimilated foreigners both legal and illegal. The Corzine plan, form a Blue Ribbon Commission to figure out how to pull the wool over your eyes. Figure out how to convince the citizens of this state to accept something they know in their heart is bad for them, their children and their grandchildren. New Jersey, Tough on Citizens, Soft on Crime. |
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Post by Marc LeVine on Aug 17, 2007 8:47:37 GMT -5
Yes...but better to be part of the internal discussions. I remember a certain advocate appointed to a Borough Committee and caused quite a stir with the other committee members and the media about some recommendations he objected to. Came across quite strong coming fro the inside out.
We need to be sure that committee is NOT weighted to one side. It MUST be balanced. Wildes is a good choice. I have a CD from his Overcrowding presentation at last year's NJ League of Municipalities. Brian has it, now, if anyone wants to borrow it. He was quite impressive and definately understands the challenges we all face. Let's hope there are two or three more REALISTS appointed to that committee.
Matter of fact, if they do not choose Mayor Wilson it is an indictment of the process. Who is better informed on this issue?
Marc
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Post by admin on Aug 17, 2007 9:12:02 GMT -5
Yes...but better to be part of the internal discussions. I remember a certain advocate appointed to a Borough Committee and caused quite a stir with the other committee members and the media about some recommendations he objected to. Came across quite strong coming fro the inside out. We need to be sure that committee is NOT weighted to one side. It MUST be balanced. Wildes is a good choice. I have a CD from his Overcrowding presentation at last year's NJ League of Municipalities. Brian has it, now, if anyone wants to borrow it. He was quite impressive and definitely understands the challenges we all face. Let's hope there are two or three more REALISTS appointed to that committee. Matter of fact, if they do not choose Mayor Wilson it is an indictment of the process. Who is better informed on this issue? Marc Marc, it is time to take off the rose colored glasses. It is not necessary better to be a part of the internal process. When this new panel proves to be the fraud it is, our Mayor will have his name associated with a sell out. Not good. You mention a certain advocate and his tasteless antics. That should be a learning lesson to not associate with wrong minded people. Will you guys learn? What we need to see form our Mayor is for him to band together with other like minded Mayors and fight against this blue ribbon panel. We also need to see him shed his party affiliation and get away from the defeatocrats. It is not good to be associated with the party that always sells out. |
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Post by LS on Aug 17, 2007 9:14:55 GMT -5
Matter of fact, if they do not choose Mayor Wilson it is an indictment of the process. Who is better informed on this issue? Marc Answer: Frank Freyre. He beat the mayor on the lawsuit, the rental committee suggestions... do we need more. |
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Post by bergsteiger on Aug 17, 2007 9:42:37 GMT -5
In his letter, Wilson told Corzine that "the impact of this dilemma (immigration) has both its advantages and disadvantages. The positive advantages are obvious and they are welcome. The influx of immigrants has enriched our town's culture with a group of individuals who have a profound work ethic, strong family and religious values, and have even added new, vibrant businesses to our downtown."[/color] I’m sorry but I’m not seeing it. I keep looking but I can’t see the positive that Wilson is seeing. Could someone point it out to me? I remember it to be better before the influx. Maybe I should just not believe what I can see with my own eyes.  |
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Post by Marc LeVine on Aug 17, 2007 11:33:02 GMT -5
To get appointed to such a committee you need to love the sinner, but hate the sin. Our enemy is illegal immigration and not the immigrants. Our goal is to use every opportunity to make Washington and Trenton listen to us and act to help Freehold Borough.
I know that if I were appointed to that committee, I'd be going there to fight for Freehold Borough, first and foremost. You want a committee? Well...here I am! If the other participants "didn't get it," I'd be standing on the steps of the statehouse telling the media what the hell is going on. I would not bashing the immigrants. I'd be bashing the system that allows all the abuses.
OK..we'll agree to disagree on this one.
How would I solve the problem of illegal immigration - take away all the artificial and illegal supports (untaxed jobs, overcrowding, free medical care, etc.) level the playing field and let the best man/woman win. Those that manage to succeed should be admired for successfully working through the system (e.g. learning English, working multiple taxed jobs), not circumventing it.
Unskilled or semi-skilled people earning less than $10.00 per hour, before taxes, and living one family to a $1250 per month apartment in an expensive state like NJ? Best of luck! Just like the way it's always been for all aspiring Americans as well as the rest of our struggling, legally authorized residents.
Marc
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Post by LS on Aug 17, 2007 11:45:08 GMT -5
In his letter, Wilson told Corzine that "the impact of this dilemma (immigration) has both its advantages and disadvantages. The positive advantages are obvious and they are welcome. The influx of immigrants has enriched our town's culture with a group of individuals who have a profound work ethic, strong family and religious values, and have even added new, vibrant businesses to our downtown."[/color] I’m sorry but I’m not seeing it. I keep looking but I can’t see the positive that Wilson is seeing. Could someone point it out to me? I remember it to be better before the influx. Maybe I should just not believe what I can see with my own eyes. [/quote] Want to cry? got through the News Transcript archives and read how the opinion of the town council has changed over the years. Frmo tough talker to a person vying for a chance to be part of a committee looking at ways to integrate illegals (let's face facts, that is what this committee is about). Read how tough measures are sending a message on quality of life issues: "More important than the money, however, was the message that the summonses, the special court session and the hefty fines sent to the community.
"The word is going out to other landlords who persist in overcrowding properties in the borough. It’s a war between us and them," Wilson said." newstranscript.gmnews.com/news/2002/1009/Editorials/097.html |
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Post by Marc LeVine on Aug 17, 2007 11:48:01 GMT -5
Like or dislike him...he moved his agenda forward based on those "tasteless antics." As for associating with "wrong minded people?" I like Don Corleone's advice about which people to keep closest to you. I know of business examples of this that you might speculate on.
If something like this is going on that might decide our future - d**n sure we need to be part of it. Associated with the panel? That's a personal and political risk one may choose to take if they think they can make a difference. Funny, I view that as courage.
Marc
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