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Post by admin on Jul 24, 2007 12:34:25 GMT -5
Well, here we go. It has happened again. As a Freehold Borough resident and her daughter were pulling into the bus station parking lot, their vehicle was swarmed by day laborers looking for work. Needless to say the woman and her young daughter were scared out of their minds. They have every right to be irate about this. No person should have to deal with this nonsense.
I had heard about this incident from a third party and was able to track the victim down. I will try to get a full account of what happened and more interesting, how the police handled this. From what I heard, the police did not handle it very well. I am stopping short of making accusations at this time, but this is the part of the incident that concerns me the most.
I am going to try to get the best and most accurate account of this for you readers. Freehold residents need to know about this garbage and we can not allow it to be swept under the rug by anyone. This is all a continuation of the very real issues that Borough residents have which are not being addressed.
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Post by richardkelsey on Jul 24, 2007 13:17:08 GMT -5
Well, here we go. It has happened again. As a Freehold Borough resident and her daughter were pulling into the bus station parking lot, their vehicle was swarmed by day laborers looking for work. Needless to say the woman and her young daughter were scared out of their minds. They have every right to be irate about this. No person should have to deal with this nonsense. I had heard about this incident from a third party and was able to track the victim down. I will try to get a full account of what happened and more interesting, how the police handled this. From what I heard, the police did not handle it very well. I am stopping short of making accusations at this time, but this is the part of the incident that concerns me the most. I am going to try to get the best and most accurate account of this for you readers. Freehold residents need to know about this garbage and we can not allow it to be swept under the rug by anyone. This is all a continuation of the very real issues that Borough residents have which are not being addressed. I would be interested to hear the facts on this. With respect to the police -- I hate to say that they are even more hamstrung then most local departments because of the settlement in the lawsuit. One side-effect of the settlement is a chilling effect on policing these types of incidents -- lest the Borough open itself up to more frivolous complaints engineered and financed by the open borders' lobby that is exploiting illegals for their own political agenda. |
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Post by Freehold Resident on Jul 24, 2007 13:29:39 GMT -5
I don't really understand what happened.
Why were they swarming the car? Why not other cars? Didn't they see it was just a woman and her daughter? Were they violent or just walking around the car? Can you clarify? Thanks.
FR
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Post by admin on Jul 24, 2007 13:41:49 GMT -5
I don't really understand what happened. Why were they swarming the car? Why not other cars? Didn't they see it was just a woman and her daughter? Were they violent or just walking around the car? Can you clarify? Thanks. FR FR, Rich and others, AS I wrote, it appears the day laborers were looking for work. From what I have learned they were banging on this woman's windows and she had to yell at them to go away. I am only putting this up here so that people are aware that this occurred. As I have tried to make clear, I do not yet have all of the facts. I will be speaking with the victim in the near future. In my above post about the police, it was my OPINION based on what I have heard. I am awaiting further facts so that you the readers can make up your own minds. For now, here is an excerpt from an email I received from the victim. I will also make clear that person reporting this DID NOT HAVE anything negative to say about the police. they ran to my car tapping the windows and I had to yell at them to back off....
........ was scared by them.
I immediately went towards 6 & 12 where a cop is stationed now and told them
about it and they they said if they were to go over to them , they'd probally file
harassment charges ect.... I'm tired Brian, this town is going NOWHERE |
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Post by Freehold Resident on Jul 24, 2007 14:00:21 GMT -5
Wow, that's crazy!
FR
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Post by LS on Jul 24, 2007 15:21:56 GMT -5
Unfortunately, FIGFY, you are not going to see the type of involvement that you seek.
There other way to approach this problem is for the silent majority to not patronize these places, and to let the businesses know why you are not patronizing them. They may not change their policies, but at the very least, you have done your part to help end this sort of activity.
Remember, that these 6-12 people are there are the owners permission. I am not sure about the Rita's property owners (and I assume that the bus station is fair game according to some judge).
Going to another post, the motorcycle business owner suggestion a parking garage... You can finally get me to endorse eminent domain if you make the 6-12 and adjoining strip mall into a public parking garage. You would hail the way for a train station and give more business to other sections of the town.
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Post by Freehold Resident on Jul 24, 2007 15:29:49 GMT -5
Hmm...I like what you said LS, but the only things I would say are 1.) Most of the businesses over there are patronized by the hispanic community, so they don't really care if others don't patronize there, because they generally don't already. And also, if we were to stop patronizing, what will happen is those places would probably just go 'bye bye' like some of the other businesses in town.
I love the idea of using eminent domain to build a parking lot over there for a train station. Great idea.
FR
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Post by LS on Jul 24, 2007 15:40:56 GMT -5
You know how the Olympics look at the facilities of a potential host city before bestowing on them the Honor and Privilege of being a Host City. I wonder if amenities are part of the equation of any plans for a train line...
And FR, I know, those businesses (except Eric's when it was there) most likely don't care. I was at the 6-12 recently... Yes, it is clear that they are catering towards this hang-out community. It's a smart business move, for now. But they'll think differently when we are opening the champagne bottles when we knock down that building...
Mr. Wilson, tear down that 6-12.
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Jul 24, 2007 15:46:18 GMT -5
I would be interested to hear the facts on this. With respect to the police -- I hate to say that they are even more hamstrung then most local departments because of the settlement in the lawsuit. One side-effect of the settlement is a chilling effect on policing these types of incidents -- lest the Borough open itself up to more frivolous complaints engineered and financed by the open borders' lobby that is exploiting illegals for their own political agenda. With appropriate prosecution of a disorderly conduct charge involving a citizen willing to issue a complaint, why would any Judge see that as a frivolous complaint? A developing pattern of non enforcement of quality of life crimes is a huge red flag that this activity is acceptability. To the majority of Legal Boro residents, this conduced that is not Acceptable. This can no be allowed to persist! RK... "I hate to say that they are even more hamstrung then most local departments because of the settlement in the lawsuit." But you just said it! This URL is a report prepared for the US Justice Department. It is recombination on how to "Police" unruly street day labor's. www.cops.usdoj.gov/mime/open.pdf?Item=1960U.S. Department of Justice
Office of Community Oriented Policing Services.
Problem-Oriented Guides for Police
Problem-Specific Guides SeriesSee Page 18, Page 20, According to the USDoJ, SWARMING is not FRIVOLOUS...., it s Criminal Behavior that should be enforced! Property owners like Rita's, Bank of America, 6-12 (stop laughing). need to be advised that they are allowing criminal activity to be perpetrated on their property, and that there are consequences! HOWEVER,....the settlement is a chilling effect on policing these types of incidents,  so the inmates are now running the asylum. |
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Post by Freehold Resident on Jul 24, 2007 15:58:36 GMT -5
Yes, I agree. I wish they would knock down that 6-12....and also one of the convenient stores over on South Street. One of them is nice, but the other is such a dump and totally unnecessary as there's one a block away. I don't understand that.
FR
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Jul 24, 2007 16:11:38 GMT -5
I do notice the lines are smaller at Ritas this year?
Is there a conscious protest because of what they allow to happen on their parking lot, it there isn't there should be!
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Jul 24, 2007 16:19:35 GMT -5
I don't understand that. FR Thats what you have in El Barrio, a convience store on just about every corner....once you start noticing this pattern your on your way to being NJ, San Jose....Boyyyyyo |
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Post by bergsteiger on Jul 24, 2007 19:13:40 GMT -5
Pepper spray works as well on a swarm Illegals as bee spray works on bees. I feel bad for those savages if they swarm my wife’s SUV, she carries a 12 OZ can.  www.udap.com/product.htm |
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Post by fedupinfreehold on Jul 24, 2007 21:50:35 GMT -5
Brian, Thank you for the chat . or the rest of you out there, I was driving down West Main and decided to stop by the BOA to get some cash for the beach. As I pulled into the driveway, my SUV scraped the under carriage so I slowed down. Thats when my 9 year old daughter and I saw a bunch of day labors approach my truck , some waving as if hailing a cab, some tapping at her window. three were in front of my bumper and I shouted to them , no- go... thats when I saw the cops just up ahead. Im not sure what any one can do for this town , I have spoke with several people yesterday from the Mayor, to the police officials and they were all comforting. I have lived in this town along time and never in a million years would I think you cannot look into another person's eyes ect without them mis-understanding your intentions. I will no longer use that BOA, just as I will not go to 6 and 12 because of being harassed. It is sad that these people feel they can do whatever they please and will not pay the price for breaking the law. As I said tonite Brian, I too am jumping on the real estate band wagon in hopes of cheaper taxes and a better quality of life. This town has fallen apart, gotten run down, pride has been lost and now my daughter was scared by thier aggressiveness. Take care.  FED UP IN FREEHOLD |
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Post by bergsteiger on Jul 25, 2007 6:41:55 GMT -5
Brian, Thank you for the chat . or the rest of you out there, I was driving down West Main and decided to stop by the BOA to get some cash for the beach. As I pulled into the driveway, my SUV scraped the under carriage so I slowed down. Thats when my 9 year old daughter and I saw a bunch of day labors approach my truck , some waving as if hailing a cab, some tapping at her window. three were in front of my bumper and I shouted to them , no- go... thats when I saw the cops just up ahead. Im not sure what any one can do for this town , I have spoke with several people yesterday from the Mayor, to the police officials and they were all comforting. I have lived in this town along time and never in a million years would I think you cannot look into another person's eyes ect without them mis-understanding your intentions. I will no longer use that BOA, just as I will not go to 6 and 12 because of being harassed. It is sad that these people feel they can do whatever they please and will not pay the price for breaking the law. As I said tonite Brian, I too am jumping on the real estate band wagon in hopes of cheaper taxes and a better quality of life. This town has fallen apart, gotten run down, pride has been lost and now my daughter was scared by thier aggressiveness. Take care. FED UP IN FREEHOLD Thanks for taking the time to tell your story. Sounds like it was a scary situation for you and your daughter. I’m outraged that such a thing did happen and could happen again. Running away from Freehold Borough will only prevent this type of confrontation from happening to you and your daughter here. Every town in New Jersey has Illegal Aliens and there are troublesome people all over this country. You can run but you can’t hide. Please do yourself and your daughter a favor and enroll in a self-defense course. It will be a great experience for the both of you; it’s great exercise and will give you and your daughter the confidence needed to handle situations like this one and the others that can and will happen. It is also something that the two of you could do together. |
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Post by AGM on Jul 25, 2007 8:23:48 GMT -5
What type of truck was this?
An SUV or a pick-up truck?
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Post by bergsteiger on Jul 25, 2007 8:24:24 GMT -5
Was a police report filed? What do you mean by the mayor and the police were comforting? Comforting how? What are they going to do about it?
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Post by bergsteiger on Jul 25, 2007 8:28:34 GMT -5
What type of truck was this? An SUV or a pick-up truck? What difference does it make? What if this happened twice once to an SUV and once to a pick up? |
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Post by AGM on Jul 25, 2007 9:37:07 GMT -5
who said it had anything to do with the incident? I was asking. touchy-touchy...
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Post by bergsteiger on Jul 25, 2007 9:51:24 GMT -5
who said it had anything to do with the incident? I was asking. touchy-touchy... Oh, so you ask questions just for the sake of asking. ... Ok. What kind of shoes where were they wearing? |
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Post by Freehold Resident on Jul 25, 2007 11:54:40 GMT -5
I'm a grammar nazi, so I'm going to have to pop my nose in here.
Isn't it "were they wearing?"
"Where" has to do with location.
FR
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Post by AGM on Jul 25, 2007 12:00:17 GMT -5
who said it had anything to do with the incident? I was asking. touchy-touchy... Oh, so you ask questions just for the sake of asking. ... Ok. Oh, you mean what you're doing right now? |
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Post by bergsteiger on Jul 25, 2007 12:08:24 GMT -5
Oh, so you ask questions just for the sake of asking. ... Ok. Oh, you mean what you're doing right now? It takes you a while to catch on. Doesn’t it?  Did the little yellow bus pick you up for school? ;D |
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Post by bergsteiger on Jul 25, 2007 12:13:43 GMT -5
I'm a grammar nazi, so I'm going to have to pop my nose in here. Isn't it "were they wearing?" "Where" has to do with location. FR Did you know that the Nazis came up with the pink triangle? |
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Post by Freehold Resident on Jul 25, 2007 13:51:19 GMT -5
Yes, your point?
FR
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Post by admin on Jul 25, 2007 15:53:47 GMT -5
Here is what gets me about this entire situation. Let's turn things around and, hypothetically, I banged on a strangers car window for what ever reason. That stranger goes to a cop and reports me. Does anybody think for a second that the police officer would not stop, detain, and question me for odd behavior? I have plenty of experience in knowing that yes, a cop would rightfully stop me and deal with me in a similar situation.
It is the actions of the first police officer that gets under my skin in this incident. I do not blame the first officer. I would bet that this officers actions are reflective of the whole department.
When our town reached the settlement, our town leaders sat up on their bench and looked at the audience and the camera's and clearly stated that all laws would be followed evenly and fairly. Rightfully without any discrimination. We were told that illegal immigrants would have to adhere to the law as anyone else does. This latest incident reeks of a double standard.
This latest incident is a demonstration that this town is waving the white flag. What was really in that settlement?
Chief Roth stated in previous articles that he wants to build good relations with the illegal immigrant community. I agree with him, it is needed. But, if things go as they are he had better work harder because that is all who will be left here.
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Post by admin on Aug 2, 2007 4:57:48 GMT -5
From what I understand, this swarming incident was discussed on radio 101.5 the other day and may have made it into a news paper or two.
If anyone hear the radio or finds articles about this incident, please post it here.
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