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Post by LS on Jul 24, 2007 15:56:49 GMT -5
We will have to stay tooned to see what the local papers have to say yes, stay looney tuned everyone. What kind of court would we have if Brian was issuing written orders??? As for the return on Friday of Ms. H, ummm, I wonder if she'll return as she has seen $4000 being handed down by the judge. She must be halfway to Lakewood by now. |
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Post by admin on Jul 25, 2007 4:44:30 GMT -5
www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070725/NEWS01/707250376/1004Landlord pleads guilty to running eatery from home It's second time in less than a year Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 07/25/07 BY NICK PETRUNCIO FREEHOLD BUREAU FREEHOLD — A landlord, who also is a police officer, pleaded guilty Tuesday for the second time in less than a year to charges related to running a restaurant out of a home. Douglas Borst, who is an officer in Wall, admitted in a plea deal to four of the most serious violations the borough brought against him, which amounted to $4,000 in fines plus costs. Borst told Freehold Municipal Court Judge Scott J. Basen that he was able to make payment in full after the proceeding. The hearing for Borst's tenant, Petra Hernandez of 58 Mechanic St., was postponed until 9 a.m. Friday. Hernandez's attorney, Ricardo Del Rio of Perth Amboy, asked that his client — who with Borst pleaded guilty in August 2006 for basically the same violations — be given time to discuss an offer from the local prosecutor. Basen granted the request but said, "We need to resolve it (this case) as quickly as possible." Ninety-five percent of the 600 rental properties in Freehold are owned by absentee landlords, borough officials have said. They said they have been battling code enforcement issues that range from eyesore-complaints to potentially dangerous overcrowding conditions, and are implementing additional measures to demonstrate their intent to eliminate the problems. "We have absolutely no intention to turn this town over to absentee landlords who refuse to abide by our laws," said Councilwoman Sharon Shutzer, who, with Councilman Marc Le Vine, made it a point to attend the court hearing. Shutzer, a teacher, said she teaches accountability and responsibility. "It's justice served," she said. "If you're going to be a landlord, you have to accept the responsibility of being a law-abiding landlord." Borst and his attorney, Norman Hobbie of Eatontown, ignored reporters' attempts to get comments from them and left the building after Borst paid the fines. Wall Township Administrator Joseph Verruni said that municipality is reviewing the case against the officer and was waiting for a disposition from Freehold before deciding on a course of action, if any. "We respect Freehold Borough's right to regulate the properties within their borough, and we're hopeful that our employees are respectful of that as well," Verruni said. Borst, 34, who also lives in Wall, was cited with 10 code enforcement and health department violations between May 31 and June 1. At the hearing, he pleaded guilty to overcrowding, allowing a nuisance, operating a restaurant in a residential area and a health code violation, said Municipal Prosecutor Kathleen A. Sheedy. Hernandez was issued 17 code and health summonses over those two days. Basen said it concerns him that this is Borst's second offense, but also acknowledged comments from Hobbie that his client is accepting responsibility. Still, the judge admonished him. Borough officials, with an administrative warrant, entered the Mechanic Street home on May 30 and reported that they discovered evidence of a restaurant being operated out of the building, including boxes of food stored in closets and the basement, freezers and refrigerators full of food and beer, 30 additional cases of warm beer, take-out containers and a table set up in the basement. News of the visit spread through town, and there were cries from residents in a local online chat room for state alcohol enforcement officials to get involved as well as federal immigration authorities because Hernandez and some others in the home admitted in a news article to being in the country illegally.
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Post by Bill Lowney on Jul 25, 2007 7:01:37 GMT -5
Logic for allowing a Borst and Hernandes to please bargain on a second offense for the same CRIMES?
Why was Petra Hernandez of 58 Mechanic St..... given time to discuss an offer from the local prosecutor? Why was there an offer, and why was the States ABC not brought in on this case with a separate set of charges. Why was the NJ department of the New Jersey Department of Revenue, or the US Internal Revenue Service asked to investigate both Office Borst and Undocumented Hernandes.
This episode is now reduced to Fines and Misdemeanors. The Mayor can advise his Prosecutor on how firm or how lenient to prosecute, The Mayor can demand that ABC, IRS , NJ DoR AND ICE to be called into, but apparently not.
So we see yet another example of Boro leadership cowering for a SETTLEMENT with an undocumented illegal alien criminal.
We have been reduced to a Silent Sanctuary City.
Life goes on for Borst and Hernandes, their pockets a bit lighter, and the Teflon Swarmer's from Throckmorton can find a new DIY Tocoria in a Basement.
What is now happening is not justice, Boro residents must fill this courtroom on Friday.
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Post by LS on Jul 25, 2007 8:27:59 GMT -5
These are valid points. But this is just the municipal proceedings, and not any other proceedings. Which begs the question: were any other agenciees called in and, if so, are any other charges pending in different courts/administrative agencies?
I am glad that the fines were $4,000 - I think the last time was less than a slap on the wrist and this time was a newspaper on the snout. Borst was charged with 10 counts (I assume possible range for each was $1,250 for each charge???) and Hernandez was charged with 17 different counts. I assume that she is the more culpable party and that any settlement with her would have fines greater than Borst's. So, again, as I said before, I assume that we will never see her again. I hope she was fingerprinted at some point in time so that there is a record that follows her.
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Post by LS on Jul 25, 2007 12:38:20 GMT -5
I am surprised by the dominance of another topic on this board over this one. Here are some comments from the APP forum. forums.app.com/viewtopic.php?t=14224nj.com Freehold forum is as dead as usual. |
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Post by admin on Jul 26, 2007 4:50:31 GMT -5
This is a very good follow up article from the APP and written by Nick Petrnucio. This highlights how right Freehold Borough is in regulating rentals. www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070726/NEWS01/707260390/1004TENANT: Charged again with running an illegal eatery BLAZE: Same situation led to death of firefighter in 2004 Parallels drawn from fatal fire Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 07/26/07 BY NICK PETRUNCIO FREEHOLD BUREAU FREEHOLD — The overcrowded Mechanic Street home that doubled as an eatery and was owned by a police officer has angered some in a Middlesex County community that suffered a fatal house fire under similar circumstances less than three years ago. Kathleen McKenzie Cupano, program development administrator for the Rutgers University Center for Government Services, said she was struck by similarities between the home here and one in New Brunswick that caught fire on Sept. 3, 2004, and took the life of the city's Deputy Fire Chief James D'heron, 51. That home also was owned by a police officer and was the setting for a food-service business. "It must be emphasized that violations such as overcrowding, illegal uses, etc., are not just "code infractions' but real-life hazards that can have tragic results for first responders, tenants and all residents. Maybe drawing parallels between the two municipalities will serve as a wake-up call for those who have chosen to ignore their responsibilities," Cupano said in an e-mail. Petra Hernandez, a tenant of 58 Mechanic St. in Freehold, is accused for the second time since August 2006 of running a restaurant out of the home. She is charged with 17 code enforcement and health violations, and has a scheduled hearing at 9 a.m. Friday in Municipal Court, 38 Jackson St. Last year, she pleaded guilty, as did her landlord, Douglas Borst, a Wall police officer and resident. On Tuesday, Borst pleaded guilty again, admitting to four of the 10 complaints brought against him this time and paying $4,000 in fines, plus costs. The rest of the charges were merged. The New Brunswick fire was started by a cigarette belonging a man sleeping on a tablecloth in a hallway, according to investigators. The fire spread to a gasoline container, and as it burned, nearby propane tanks released their contents, creating a fireball that killed D'heron instantly after he rushed into the building to rescue those inside, the investigation found. Freehold authorities discovered a propane tank in the Mechanic Street home when they entered it with an administrative warrant in May. The two-family home at 50 Lee Ave. in New Brunswick, which city Mayor Jim Cahill said at the time was owned by police Sgt. Victor DeFilippo, was believed to have had a total of 21 people living inside it. Fifteen people — 13 adults and two children — were home when the fire erupted around 3 a.m. Resident Nannette Baretto was charged with illegally storing propane tanks indoors, using the house to operate a food-service business and obstructing the investigation. Reaction in Freehold to the outcome of Tuesday's case was mixed, with some saying justice was served, others believing Borst got off too lightly and still others hoping this will send a stern message of warning to borough landlords. This story contains information from previous Gannett New Jersey articles. Nick Petruncio: (732) 308-7752 or npetruncio@app.com
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Post by LS on Jul 26, 2007 8:57:07 GMT -5
WOW! The New Brunswick story is horrible and certainly shows the dangers in this sort of situation.
Again, I note that there has not been too much discussion on this forum and I have noticed that there has been some on the APP forum link above (Marc posted his thoughts there and one person took him to task).
Why are we silent on this. I am trying to get discussion: whether it is good or bad.
I think this is the sort of fine that should have been for the first time. For a guy with eight rental properties, this is a minor set back. I am not sure of the legalities, but settlements - while they don't smack the offender like you want them to, they do prevent the miscarriage of justice that the person fight the offense and somehow get off scot-free. So I am not complaining about this outcome: would I have liked it to have been harsher, yes - but I realize that other things can come into play. (Maybe I sound defeated by the legal system) I wonder if there are other things in the works with other agencies.
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Post by Freehold Resident on Jul 26, 2007 9:27:31 GMT -5
I think the idiot that trashed Marc's post is among us. I recognize his writing style. Hey, idiot: thanks for inviting more slum landlords to town by trashing Marc's get tough message.
At least Marc and Councilwoman Shutzer showed up for the trial. They probably had to sit there until all the alchys and panhandlers were heard from. They probably also had to sit there being stared at by the Wall cop and his gang, too.
Marc said he was unhappy with any plea bargaining that took place and I'm sure he made that clear when he needed to. He's only one guy and he can't be blamed for the whole mess. He's always trying and he cares. I wish some others would do as much as he does for our town.
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Post by admin on Jul 26, 2007 19:33:08 GMT -5
WOW! The New Brunswick story is horrible and certainly shows the dangers in this sort of situation. Again, I note that there has not been too much discussion on this forum and I have noticed that there has been some on the APP forum link above (Marc posted his thoughts there and one person took him to task). Why are we silent on this. I am trying to get discussion: whether it is good or bad. I think this is the sort of fine that should have been for the first time. For a guy with eight rental properties, this is a minor set back. I am not sure of the legalities, but settlements - while they don't smack the offender like you want them to, they do prevent the miscarriage of justice that the person fight the offense and somehow get off scot-free. So I am not complaining about this outcome: would I have liked it to have been harsher, yes - but I realize that other things can come into play. (Maybe I sound defeated by the legal system) I wonder if there are other things in the works with other agencies. LS, Don't forget the APP message board is huge and caters to a much larger audience. I was going through the members list and they have people from all over the country and the world. This is just a local site for our town. And speaking of Marc, why is he not posting here? But there? He must be pissed at us. This whole incident with the slumlord is egg on the face of this town. That cop did get off light. What he paid he will get back when he sells those homes. We all know the story does not end. We still have the tenant getting fined, if she shows. And more importantly, this whole incident will give us all cause to watch what the town does with future problems. How serious are they about dealing with the creeps who ruin our town? Four thousand dollars is nothing for some of the slumlords. Will the town have the guts to pull CO's? and of course, 109 Main Street........... |
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Post by admin on Jul 26, 2007 19:35:09 GMT -5
PS I cleaned up all the crap on this thread
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Post by Guest on Jul 26, 2007 20:52:00 GMT -5
Yet another settlement. We get continuous lip service about how tough the town proclaims to be, but when the chips are down, they cave.
With all the eyes on this situation, you would think they would follow through with their "message" and truly stand up for what's right and show the citizens they can put their money where their mouth is. This settlement was entered into by their very own appointees/employees. They can have rental advisory committee after rental advisory committee, but when violations happen, the town's actions grossly belie their words.
The pattern of "settlements" should raise suspicions all the way around.
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Post by LS on Jul 27, 2007 8:59:17 GMT -5
Guest, yes, agreed: if you talk tough, you have to follow through with it. So settlements are a sign of weakness if you yell and hollar and rattle your sabres. And if there is a weakness in the system, it should be fixed instead of always negotiating settlements. The C.O. should also be pulled. It is written right there in our ordinance book (but the mayor wrote that we can't do it?  ) We still don't know if any of these other agencies were contacted: ABC, state police, state health dept, etc. It really seems that on this front is really where the ball was dropped (again). |
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Post by Freehold Resident on Jul 27, 2007 10:03:23 GMT -5
LS - According to Marc the ABC is involved. See...I used all the right words and spelled everything correctly. Take note after you return with your Miriam Webster.
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Post by LS on Jul 27, 2007 10:57:57 GMT -5
Well, FR, let me rephrase the question: is the ABC still involved? The "bust" was on May 21, then the Mayor said the ABC is not involved, then according to Marc's post on June 1, the ABC came to town.
I must repeat a few things. Back in the fall, I posted saying that the ABC has to be in on the bust from jump street (knoweldge gained from my buddy in the ABC). Now, the 2nd time around, the ABC was called in 11 days later. It was probably too late. But regardless, it is 2 months since that time... where are they? what is going on? Was this flubbed???
There are serious state violations involved here, and are we to learn that only local code violations have been prosecuted?
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Jul 27, 2007 12:07:13 GMT -5
Breaking NEWS
$6,992.00 in fines for Petra Hernandes, plead guilty on 9 charges.
Next time there will be jail time for Petra, Per the Judge.
More to follow!!!!
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Post by admin on Jul 27, 2007 16:08:15 GMT -5
We will have to stay tooned to see what the local papers have to say yes, stay looney tuned everyone. What kind of court would we have if Brian was issuing written orders??? As for the return on Friday of Ms. H, ummm, I wonder if she'll return as she has seen $4000 being handed down by the judge. She must be halfway to Lakewood by now. Well, LS your question is answered. She returned and got whacked upside the head. Moving on, this person Ms, Hernandez, is a prime example of an illegal alien who needs to be deported. I will bet that she will do something wrong again in the future. I think it is safe to say the welcome mat needs to be yanked out from under her. During this whole incident we saw seventeen summonses issued. The Borough will collect about eleven thousand dollars in fines and court costs. I hope that we can find a break down of what each of the defendants paid per offense they were found guilty of. I will also be interested to see if the press gives Hernandez the same coverage as the cop received. |
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Jul 27, 2007 16:22:02 GMT -5
The Judge pointed out to Petra, being this is a repeat offense, WHY did you do this AGAIN? Petra's answer"... que no sabía que hacía cualquier cosa illegal (I didn't know I was doing anything illegal)"
The judge repeated the question, reminding Petra that she had been in his court room before, faced with the same charges, with another attorney, "how can you tell me. "I didn't know I was doing anything illegal"
Her answer was, something like... "What I did was a mistake", and am sorry, and will not do this ever again!
The Judge commented, what she did was "whatever she wanted to" regardless of the law, the health and safety codes, that her actions put lives of her fellow residents, neighbors and the community at serious risk, for money!
The Judge warned here next time, its Jail TIME!
The charges where
Failure to have functioning Smoke Alarms
Over Crowding (per code enforcement, 56 Mechanic St is zoned for 4)
Sleeping on the floor of the living room
Unsafe (restaurant) equipment
Unregulated food handling
Operating an unlicensed Restaurant
Unidentified food sources (or something like that)
and a bunch more, again total Fines where just under $7,000.
The Guilty Petra will be making Monthly Payments, I did not stick around for the payment details.
It was interesting that her Visa Status (or lack of) was not introduced into the preceding.
If an alien was here with a legitimate Temp Visa, chances are that individual would have lost their visa and been deported...IMO
Will we need to see people dead from a fire like in New Brunswick, before these poor examples of immigration are deported?
Why is Petra not being escorted the heck back to he HOME? Why does she get the PRIVILEGE to walk our streets, why is she here in the US?
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Jul 27, 2007 16:42:56 GMT -5
Guest, yes, agreed: if you talk tough, you have to follow through with it. So settlements are a sign of weakness if you yell and hollar and rattle your sabres. And if there is a weakness in the system, it should be fixed instead of always negotiating settlements. The C.O. should also be pulled. It is written right there in our ordinance book (but the mayor wrote that we can't do it? ) We still don't know if any of these other agencies were contacted: ABC, state police, state health dept, etc. It really seems that on this front is really where the ball was dropped (again). Non Functional Smoke alarms should have been enough to pull CO's, in which case Mr. Wall COP would have needed to provide alternative living arrangements, at his expense! The CO could have been pulled as well, until all of the restaurant equipment, mattresses and other sundries that constituted this situation, had been re mediated while, again, Mr. Wall COP would have needed to provide alternative living arrangements, at his expense....IMO The Boro could have come down much harder on all parties, an no just generated $11K most of which may never be collected. Will 58 Mechanic Street be vacant by Wed Aug 1st? What say you? |
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Jul 27, 2007 17:26:31 GMT -5
A few other observations from this AM's Courts Session.
1) All Court proceedings were Bilingual
2) By my count there where 4 cases involving domestic violence
3) Most of the defendants had at least one prior bench warrant
4) One no-show alone, had 5 prior Bench Warrants plus one new one for being a no-show
5) one woman had several MV charges, no insurance, no documentation, operating an illegal Taxi Service
6) One Plaintiff file a complain against the Women whose vehicle hit his, however, her "International" Drivers license proved to be phony,(?). He asked the judge to throw the book at her, she received the Max. Fine
7) The State vs. Hernandes
8) A drunk and disorderly that went to trial
9) Some guy who punch a window on South Street
and except for the prisoner asking the judge for a revised release date....
EVERY DEFENDANT WAS A LATINO, MOST OF WHOM, SPOKE LITTLE OR NO ENGLISH, MOST OF WHOM WERE HERE ILLEGALLY!!!WHY IS THAT
I submit this suggestion, is you have a Morning or Afternoon to kill, go hang out at the Boro's Municipal Cout and see what challanges our law enforcment! Maybe Friday is Latino court?
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Post by admin on Jul 27, 2007 17:36:38 GMT -5
A few other observations from this AM's Courts Session. 1) All Court proceedings were Bilingual 2) By my count there where 4 cases involving domestic violence 3) Most of the defendants had at least one prior bench warrant 4) One no-show alone, had 5 prior Bench Warrants plus one new one for being a no-show 5) one woman had several MV charges, no insurance, no documentation, operating an illegal Taxi Service 6) One Plaintiff file a complain against the Women whose vehicle hit his, however, her "International" Drivers license proved to be phony,(?). He asked the judge to throw the book at her, she received the Max. Fine 7) The State vs. Hernandes 8) A drunk and disorderly that went to trial 9) Some guy who punch a window on South Street and except for the prisoner asking the judge for a revised release date.... EVERY DEFENDANT WAS A LATINO, MOST OF WHOM, SPOKE LITTLE OR NO ENGLISH, MOST OF WHOM WERE HERE ILLEGALLY!!!WHY IS THAT I submit this suggestion, is you have a Morning or Afternoon to kill, go hang out at the Boro's Municipal Cout and see what challanges our law enforcment! Maybe Friday is Latino court? maybe Friday is Latino day so that ther can be a translator on hand. And, are you sure most of them were illegal? Did you take a poll with the help of a translator? Or maybe the cops found out and told you? Wait. they don't pay attention to that do they? |
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Jul 28, 2007 10:15:41 GMT -5
maybe Friday is Latino day so that ther can be a translator on hand. And, are you sure most of them were illegal? Did you take a poll with the help of a translator? Or maybe the cops found out and told you? Wait. they don't pay attention to that do they? So, whats you point Brian? |
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Post by admin on Jul 28, 2007 11:55:43 GMT -5
maybe Friday is Latino day so that there can be a translator on hand. And, are you sure most of them were illegal? Did you take a poll with the help of a translator? Or maybe the cops found out and told you? Wait. they don't pay attention to that do they? So, whats you point Brian? Fiber, I don't want to get too far off topic. This thread is dedicated to officer slumlord and his Mom and Pop diner he ran. Your observations and report on the municipal court are good and interesting. I just wish it was on it's own thread. My point is so easy, a caveman could get it. I will pick apart my own post. maybe Friday is Latino day so that there can be a translator on hand. Regardless of immigration status, we do have a large Latino population. Predictably, we will see more Latino's in court as we would with any group that is present in our town. My question. What was the make up of defendants on Wednesday's court? I am wondering if maybe the Friday is set aside so that there is a translator present for those who need it. It would make sense and is done elsewhere. And, are you sure most of them were illegal? Did you take a poll with the help of a translator? Or maybe the cops found out and told you? Wait. they don't pay attention to that do they? This next statement is meant to stir it up a bit. First point. I do not like to equate Latino with illegal immigration. That is two different issues, even though that brings me to my next point. We know we have a large illegal immigrant population. Is this tracked in the courts and police station as to how many or what percentage of defendants are illegal residents attending our municipal court? The next statement speaks for itself |
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Post by GEICO Caveman on Jul 28, 2007 13:43:54 GMT -5
My point is so easy, a caveman could get it. I will pick apart my own post. And what is that supposed to mean? I have to say I find that very offensive.  |
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Post by novillero on Jul 29, 2007 10:05:04 GMT -5
Friday was a special spanish session for the court, usually held once a month.
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Post by admin on Jul 30, 2007 16:25:39 GMT -5
Friday was a special Spanish session for the court, usually held once a month. Thank you Novellero. That is what I was trying to get at. It makes sense to have a special court so that a translator is not needed for every session. I have sat in courts where they routinely deal with several languages. |
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Post by admin on Jul 31, 2007 4:35:31 GMT -5
www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070731/NEWS01/707310340/1004Guilty plea in illegal eatery case WOMAN FINED $6G Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 07/31/07 BY NICK PETRUNCIO FREEHOLD BUREAU FREEHOLD — A woman who has admitted to being in the country illegally has pleaded guilty in Municipal Court for the second time in less than a year to charges related to operating a restaurant out of a home she was renting. Petra Hernandez of Mechanic Street pleaded guilty in August 2006 to similar charges. She was fined Friday $6,700 plus court costs and reportedly was warned by Judge Scott J. Basen that another violation will land her in jail. Hernandez was charged with 17 code and health violations and pleaded guilty to nine of them; the rest were merged. She pleaded guilty to providing a food source not documented from a regulated facility; preparing food in a private home for retail consumption; operating a restaurant in a residential zone; overcrowding; having an improperly working smoke detector; unsanitary food preparation; sleeping in an undesignated sleeping area; nuisance; and storing prohibited cooking equipment in the basement. Hernandez could not be reached for comment Monday. There was a "for sale" sign outside the Mechanic Street house, which is owned by Wall resident and police officer Douglas Borst. Borst earlier last week pleaded guilty to similar charges, also for the second time since August 2006. Some Freehold residents have called for state offices such as the Division of Alcoholic Beverage Control to take action because borough officials discovered large quantities of alcohol on the premises when they entered the home with an administrative warrant in May. However, a spokesman for the state Attorney General's Office — of which the division is part — said the division is satisfied with the charges brought by the borough and indicated that the agency would take no action. Some residents also are calling for Hernandez to be deported, but federal immigration officials typically only deport those in the country illegally who are involved in the commission of a felony, not borough ordinance violations. Street house, which is owned by Wall resident and police officer Douglas Borst. Borst earlier last week pleaded guilty to similar charges, also for the second time since August 2006. Some Freehold residents have called for state offices such as the Division of Alcoholic Beverage Control to take action because borough officials discovered large quantities of alcohol on the premises when they entered the home with an administrative warrant in May. However, a spokesman for the state Attorney General's Office — of which the division is part — said the division is satisfied with the charges brought by the borough and indicated that the agency would take no action. Some residents also are calling for Hernandez to be deported, but federal immigration officials typically only deport those in the country illegally who are involved in the commission of a felony, not borough ordinance violations. Nick Petruncio: (732) 308-7752 or npetruncio@app.com
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Post by Elliott Ness on Jul 31, 2007 13:51:47 GMT -5
Once again, bigger government squanders a terrific opportunity to set the right example for those people, who view the system as a huge joke.
So, let me understand this. Towns like Freehold Borough can't normally administer federal or state laws, but in this particular case it was ok for this one little town to act out the role of bigger government in its tiny municipal court? You mean that the state couldn't have offered even greater consequences than what comes along with small town ordinance violations?
And, what is the purpose of keeping Mrs. Hernandez in this country to perpetuate even more law breaking than the average illegal immigrant that crossed the border and, at least, tried to follow the rules from that point on? There are some.
But, NO. It is OK for this one lady to have exposed dozens of people to countless, deadly food bourne illnesses like E-coli and salmonella and does not have to be sent home, only because she didn't shoot her customers with a gun or strangle them with twine? Why is our government being so lenient with people, here illegally, who show a continuing, total disregard for right or wrong?
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Post by Elliott Cass on Jul 31, 2007 14:01:30 GMT -5
Good question Mr. Ness. Why don't you call up President Bush and ask him? After all, he and his capitol hill cronies are the only ones who can answer your question, not the local government people.
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Post by Freehold Resident on Jul 31, 2007 14:46:42 GMT -5
Why is our government being so lenient with people, here illegally, who show a continuing, total disregard for right or wrong? Maybe because our own president and his administration show a continuing, total disregard for right or wrong? After all, they don't seem to follow the rules....so why do they care if anyone else does or not... FR |
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Post by Sheikh Urbooty on Aug 1, 2007 0:10:27 GMT -5
Good question Mr. Ness. Why don't you call up President Bush and ask him? After all, he and his capitol hill cronies are the only ones who can answer your question, not the local government people. Elliott Ness, Elliott Cass, Chef Ramsay should all be on the Borough Council. We need a good head around here. |
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