APP letter 4/16/07

[admin]

I don't know this guy, but I like him.

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Monday Letters to the Press
Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 04/16/07

Illegal aliens insult to society

The March 12 letter "Keyport seeks immigrant harmony" is an insult to every legal American.

Illegal as defined by Webster's New World dictionary: "Prohibited by law, against the law, unlawful, illicit; also, not authorized or sanctioned by rules." This definition is available to those who have difficulty making the distinction between legal and illegal immigrants.

Illegals are in this country to make money and send it back home. They are not interested in becoming part of our culture or becoming American. Why do we see large demonstrations by these people carrying Mexican flags?

President Bush, sadly, used the insulting phrase, "illegals are doing the work Americans won't do." My brother and I spent the summers picking any vegetable that grew, particularly potatoes. Why? So we would have school shoes.

Freehold is my hometown. My wife and I raised our seven children in Freehold. I worked in many of the Main Street stores before opening two coffee shops. I also served on the governing body as councilman and police commissioner.

Before criticizing "Freehold's anti-illegal focus," remember the burden our legal residents are bearing for health care, schools and law enforcement, to mention a few.

After straightening out the Keyport governing body, the writer should spend his time encouraging lawbreakers to return to their country. Millions of Americans will be grateful.

W.J. Eugene Kelsey

FREEHOLD

[Freehold Resident]

I don't know this guy, but I like him.

Yes you do. Rich Kelsey's dad. He was a firebrand as a Republican (too bad) Councilman, too. Tough as Nails former Marine.

F R

[admin]

No, I don.t know him. Wouldn't know him if I passed him on the street. We need to get him back on council.

[richardkelsey]

Freehold said:

I don't know this guy, but I like him.

Yes you do. Rich Kelsey's dad. He was a firebrand as a Republican (too bad) Councilman, too. Tough as Nails former Marine.

F R

Dad is one tough old marine -- that is true. He has been writing to the Press for 50 years.

He is 82 -- and just came down for a visit to the Marine Corps Museum in Quantico Virginia.

I hate to say this -- I am not casting aspersions -- but there is no way this problem in Freehold ever would have continued under his watch -- NEVER.

Here's a quick story.

In 1978 -- one of my brothers showed my dad a picture in the daily news of an old Marine in a wheel chair picketing outside the white house. The Marine was from Long Island.

My dad didn't know him -- but he knew this much -- if he had been picketing since WWII -- this Marine had a legitimate beef.

The Marine had been ignored by his local politicians, and told to pound sand by various state and Federal officials.

What did he want? He wanted the Government to recognize his efforts in battle -- where he was hit 14 times on Guadal Canal. (Yes -- 14 times)

My dad -- never being much impressed with running uphill, into the wind, and charging at windmills if he thought he was right -- organized a group to take up this Marine's cause.

The department of the Navy told him -- sorry -- we don't have any witnesses to corroborate the story -- they are all dead now.

So -- they got witnesses from Japan!

Long story short -- On September 12, 1980, My dad was there in the Rose Garden when President Carter awarded Anthony Casemento the Congressional Medal of Honor.

What Freehold needs now -- more than ever -- is people of that character to lead a fight not for strangers from another town -- but for their friends, family, and neighbors. Someone has to take the hill -- at great cost, and great sacrifice.

If dad were still able -- I know he would.

When your elected leaders give you BS about what they can and can't do -- or whose responsibility a problem is -- or how their hands are tied -- just remember -- some people don't take no for an answer, just because the question is hard.

Dad was never much of a politician. He actually never understood cutting deals. He actually believed -- and still believes -- that one should do what is right. And, while doing what is right might be very costly -- standing up for what is right is priceless.

In the greatest of generations -- there are none greater. And, if you think he was willing to battle for a stranger -- you should have seen him stand for family.

My opinion is biased -- of course. But his record is without passion or prejudice.

It's time -- past time -- for a new generation to stand and deliver.

[Hawkeye]

Richard,

Thank you for sharing the story about your dad. He and my parents are a part of what is called the greatest generation. And they deserve it. I come from a long line of vets. It is always good to hear about their character. The younger generations could learn alot. Instead, they are cowards.

[Casual Reader]

Hawkeye Dude:

Why the harsh words for my generation?


Casually Indignant

[hawkeye]

Casual Creature, My generation is the boomers. We had those d**n hippies. The hippies gave us you. Again, listen to the real old timers. You will learn alot.

enough said

[Casual Reader]

Hawkeye Dude -- why so cryptic and mysterious?

Are we cowards because of our feelings towards this ridiculous war in Iraq?

Are we cowards because we are apathetic?

Why not be more specific? All the old-timers think things were better before -- in their youth. I doubt they were.

Casually reflective

[Hawkeye]

Casual said:

Hawkeye Dude -- why so cryptic and mysterious?

Are we cowards because of our feelings towards this ridiculous war in Iraq?

Are we cowards because we are apathetic?

Why not be more specific? All the old-timers think things were better before -- in their youth. I doubt they were.

Casually reflective

You already prove my point, ya dipstick. I did not mention Iraq. Go back to the letter from the elder Kelsey. Then read the one from his son.

For once in your spoiled life, shut up and listen. Stop emoting like the namby pamby that you are, Casual Cretin.

And didn't I read somewhere that you are a psycho major? Why waste all that money on pseudo science? Learn something real, you could use it.

[Casual Reader]

Testy -- Testy -- Testy

If I were in a counseling section with you I would have my hand near the security button.

I can see the veins bulging out of your head as you speak and write.

You cannot convince people with your words so you insult them. Are you a representative of that better, earlier generation?

Casually dipsticking

[Hawkeye]

Casual said:

Testy -- Testy -- Testy

If I were in a counseling section with you I would have my hand near the security button.

I can see the veins bulging out of your head as you speak and write.

You cannot convince people with your words so you insult them. Are you a representative of that better, earlier generation?

Casually dipsticking

And you still did not shut up and listen. You are still off topic of this thread. You will never convince people with your ADD inspired rantings.

Now, getting back to the fine Kelsey family, Casual Crazy, you could still learn a thing or two. Go read it again. Do so until you act human.

[For sales Signs]

Casual said:

Hawkeye Dude:

Why the harsh words for my generation?

The "old timers" you refer to came from nothing, the depression, from squaller, and earned everything they have to day, with out the benifit of social welfare. There old timers thought that taking from the government was shameful, and never took government handouts to be a good American. My grand parents would work three jobs rather then take welfare or government issued provisions, now called food stamps.

Today spoiled children and grand children like you, covet the constitutionally socialist welfare state. Today spoiled children and grand children like you have faulty thinking, that the welfare state owes you an education and a living through a transcended constitutional right. In the 1930's spoiled children and grand children like you would be starving to death in the streets with your hands.

Look at all the social services the illegal immigrants you worship, expunge from your proud constitutional guaranteed welfare state.

Your coveted university education has tough you nothing, which is what you are, and will always be, a first generation higher education waist.

Your chosen handle here tells all. "Casual". There is nothing casual about being a success in life.

[ls]

Hawkeye said:

Casual said:

Hawkeye Dude -- why so cryptic and mysterious?

Are we cowards because of our feelings towards this ridiculous war in Iraq?

Are we cowards because we are apathetic?

Why not be more specific? All the old-timers think things were better before -- in their youth. I doubt they were.

Casually reflective

You already prove my point, ya dipstick. I did not mention Iraq. Go back to the letter from the elder Kelsey. Then read the one from his son.

For once in your spoiled life, shut up and listen. Stop emoting like the namby pamby that you are, Casual Cretin.

And didn't I read somewhere that you are a psycho major? Why waste all that money on pseudo science? Learn something real, you could use it.

<applause>

[Zeus]

Hackeye you seemed to be a very angry person, filled with misconceptions about what younger generations are capable of or not capable of, or about what they are or what they are not.

It seems to me that if our younger generations are in the messed up world you seem to think they are in today, this is not solely their fault. Perhaps the past generations could have done a better job at keeping the house in order for their offspring.

Hawkeye said:

Casual said:

Hawkeye Dude -- why so cryptic and mysterious?

Are we cowards because of our feelings towards this ridiculous war in Iraq?

Are we cowards because we are apathetic?

Why not be more specific? All the old-timers think things were better before -- in their youth. I doubt they were.

Casually reflective

You already prove my point, ya dipstick. I did not mention Iraq. Go back to the letter from the elder Kelsey. Then read the one from his son.

For once in your spoiled life, shut up and listen. Stop emoting like the namby pamby that you are, Casual Cretin.

And didn't I read somewhere that you are a psycho major? Why waste all that money on pseudo science? Learn something real, you could use it.

[Zeus]

For sale you missed that they had to walk five miles to school with no shoes in 10-below weather in order to get an education.

For said:

Casual said:

Hawkeye Dude:

Why the harsh words for my generation?

The "old timers" you refer to came from nothing, the depression, from squaller, and earned everything they have to day, with out the benifit of social welfare. There old timers thought that taking from the government was shameful, and never took government handouts to be a good American. My grand parents would work three jobs rather then take welfare or government issued provisions, now called food stamps.

Today spoiled children and grand children like you, covet the constitutionally socialist welfare state. Today spoiled children and grand children like you have faulty thinking, that the welfare state owes you an education and a living through a transcended constitutional right. In the 1930's spoiled children and grand children like you would be starving to death in the streets with your hands.

Look at all the social services the illegal immigrants you worship, expunge from your proud constitutional guaranteed welfare state.

Your coveted university education has tough you nothing, which is what you are, and will always be, a first generation higher education waist.

Your chosen handle here tells all. "Casual". There is nothing casual about being a success in life.

[fiberisgoodforyou]

Zeus said:

For sale you missed that they had to walk five miles to school with no shoes in 10-below weather in order to get an education.

Zeus, brilliant as usual.

You ARE unintentionally correct! My father dropped out of high school, like many other MEN of that time and marched for 10, 15, 20 Miles wearing heavy steal toed boots, a 50 lbs back pack, in harsh weather to fight real tyranny. This is a selfless act that you can not ever comprehend.

His ONLY government hand out was the Higher Education he received, like many true HERO AMERICANS after the War, through the GI Bill. This was because he did Walked hundreds of miles in the harshest of conditions!

Do not belittle "For sales" comments, as he/she describes the type of American you CAN NEVER BE!

[admin]

Fiber,

In your last post you are sounding less and less like the Democrat you are. There is hope for you yet! Now, say something nice about President Bush, I know you can, I know you can, I know you can.............

And of course my generation had it the hardest. When I was a kid, we did not have remote control for the TV. We had to get up and walk across the room to change the channel-- and it was uphill both ways. And let's not even talk about the treacherous trip to the fridge to get them twinkies. Those were hard times.


On a more serious note. I will include myself among those who admire the old timers. They lived through some truly hard times that the rest of us can only read about in history books. The reason for that is due to the hard work and sacrifice they made so that the following generations could have a good life. I love to listen to an old WW2 vet, or someone who grew up in the great depression. Their perspectives are amazing. What is even more interesting is how they view the world today.

[Casual Reader]

I think every generation has its good and bad.

We all are required to take history survey courses and I remember a lot about the 1930s and 1940s and 1950s. There are a lot of stories of heroics, but there was a lot of bad stuff going on then too.

Here are some less than glorious facts about the period.

# There was widescale segregation in much of the country. African-Americans had to drink at separate water fountains. I was watching some baseball this weekend and this is the 60th anniversary of Jackie Robinson's breaking the color barrier.

@ Japanese Americans were herded into concentration camps.

& Children worked long hours in sweatshops and violence was frequently used to break up labor strikes with many killed and injured.

* Women were treated in a patronizing way and were seldom allowed to develop careers.

( Homosexuality was considered a psychological disease and gays lived hidden lives unable to express themselves.

Later in the 1960s, we fought an unnecessary war in Vietnam. My uncle fought in the war and he thought it was a senseless "political" war -- one he wished he had never fought.

I think our generation is more cynical and wary of authority -- I don't think this is a bad thing.

Casually Unsentimental

[admin]

Casual,

Good points. Your last line strikes a chord in me. Being cynical and wary of authority.

[fiberisgoodforyou]

admin said:

Fiber,

In your last post you are sounding less and less like the Democrat you are. There is hope for you yet! Now, say something nice about President Bush, I know you can, I know you can, I know you can.............

OK Hows this...AFTER GEORGE WASHINGTON, AND ABE LINCOLN...FDR WAS OUR 3RD GREATEST PRESIDENT, HAVING WEATHERED US THROUGH THE STORM OF THE GREAT (THERE WAS NOTHING GREAT ABOUT IT) DEPRESSION, AND LEADING THE FREE WORLD TO DEFEAT NAZI AND JAPANESE TYRANNY, ALLOWING US ALL TO ENJOY GREAT FRENCH WINE, MUNCH ON SNAILS AND FROGS ONCE AGAIN, VIVA LA'ROSENFEILD! I mean Roosevelt. If not for his and his administrations success with social engineering, Eisenhower would not have enjoyed the gift of the 1950's boom left for him by 25 years of Democrat domination!

Eisenhower on the other hand...if not for his Vietnam legacy (yes lets place the credit where it is due), Tricky Dick, and "The Actor" Regan (200 dead Marines in Lebanon and he cut and ran, FACT!), this country and world would not be the Flinked (my kids word, don't ask) up as it is today!

RFK was taken from us way to soon, the promise of great future was stolen, and look what we have in the White house today, the "SHAKE" from the saw dust in Knuckel Head Smiths wooden head!

"W" on the far right (sort'a say)


HOWS THAT BRI?

[admin]

fiberisgoodforyou said:

admin said:

Fiber,

In your last post you are sounding less and less like the Democrat you are. There is hope for you yet! Now, say something nice about President Bush, I know you can, I know you can, I know you can.............

OK Hows this...AFTER GEORGE WASHINGTON, AND ABE LINCOLN...FDR WAS OUR 3RD GREATEST PRESIDENT, HAVING WEATHERED US THROUGH THE STORM OF THE GREAT (THERE WAS NOTHING GREAT ABOUT IT) DEPRESSION, AND LEADING THE FREE WORLD TO DEFEAT NAZI AND JAPANESE TYRANNY, ALLOWING US ALL TO ENJOY GREAT FRENCH WINE, MUNCH ON SNAILS AND FROGS ONCE AGAIN, VIVA LA'ROSENFEILD! I mean Roosevelt. If not for his and his administrations success with social engineering, Eisenhower would not have enjoyed the gift of the 1950's boom left for him by 25 years of Democrat domination!

Eisenhower on the other hand...if not for his Vietnam legacy (yes lets place the credit where it is due), Tricky Dick, and "The Actor" Regan (200 dead Marines in Lebanon and he cut and ran, FACT!), this country and world would not be the Flinked (my kids word, don't ask) up as it is today!

RFK was taken from us way to soon, the promise of great future was stolen, and look what we have in the White house today, the "SHAKE" from the saw dust in Knuckel Head Smiths wooden head!

"W" on the far right (sort'a say)


HOWS THAT BRI?

[fiberisgoodforyou]

Casual said:

I think every generation has its good and bad.

We all are required to take history survey courses and I remember a lot about the 1930s and 1940s and 1950s. There are a lot of stories of heroics, but there was a lot of bad stuff going on then too.

Here are some less than glorious facts about the period.

# There was wide-scale segregation in much of the country. African-Americans had to drink at separate water fountains. I was watching some baseball this weekend and this is the 60th anniversary of Jackie Robinson's breaking the color barrier.

@ Japanese Americans were herded into concentration camps.

& Children worked long hours in sweatshops and violence was frequently used to break up labor strikes with many killed and injured.

* Women were treated in a patronizing way and were seldom allowed to develop careers.

( Homosexuality was considered a psychological disease and gays lived hidden lives unable to express themselves.

Later in the 1960s, we fought an unnecessary war in Vietnam. My uncle fought in the war and he thought it was a senseless "political" war -- one he wished he had never fought.

I think our generation is more cynical and wary of authority -- I don't think this is a bad thing.

Casually Unsentimental

And you did not learn, that from these (troubled) times we produced great Americans that stood up to these social challenges to effect change like Eisenhower's integration of the armed services, LBJ's legacy for the advancement of civil rights, and so on.... Yes this great generation gets even more credit!

Many of the conditions you describe are alive Today in Mexico and So. America, and how to women fit into the Machismo culture that is deep rooted so. of the Rio grand?

Spear me of the plethora of platitudes, look at how the Mexican Government treat the indigenous people of the Yucatan! The cruelty of the interment of Japanese Americans pails by far to the near genocidal treatment! I have been there I have seen this first had, while Carlos Slim Helu and his Hench men give NOTHING back to the poor people he profits from.

Hmmm so lets look a two examples of both the Greatest and Children of the Greatest Generation, The Boomer's like ME and Mayor Wilson!!!"Warren Buffette...will start giving away 85% of his wealth in July - most of it to the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation"

And there you are, enjoying the benefits of Federal and State funded, granted and loaned higher education...PLAYING on a "WEB" site, complaining about the Residents of FB, when the root cause of your "dilemma" resides south if the Boarder, not on the steps of FB Boro Hall!

NOW, ....Try to rent a house in, and send you kids to schools in Marlboro, Manalapan or Howell! Why not insist on muster zone at EVERY Lowes and Home Depot up and down RT 9, Truly one stop shopping.

Let see you negotiate with Home Depot or Lowes to have a legitimate "Day Laborer Pool" office there, instead of the chaotic, unsafe wandering hoards of street mules who prostitute their lives for human beings looking for a cheap beast of burden in human form to indenture for a day?

Ohh this is because its easer to complain about good people you chose to villanize, so you can titillate the press thought the staged, ongoing sensationalized saga of a the POOR ABUSED population segment in FB, who if you asked, do not want the outside spotlight you cast for YOUR self proclaimed agenda of race baiting (among other lascivious agenda items I will not put on this site).

Go protest at their Town Council meetings, and at their Municipal Centers. You can come back here and THANK US for being the unrecognized gracious hosts, and we MAY forgive you for being ungrateful, abusive and disrespectful. There is a difference between asking for some to help out vs. just helping yourself out!

Thank you for keeping us ALL posted on your academic status!! We all now know you have single handedly lowered the Bar on Higher Education!

(I want my money back, what a waste!)

Casually dissecting your bent logic at the speed of light...

[fiberisgoodforyou]

admin said:

Brian, I have more hope for you!!! Stop crying like a Little Girl, we're gonna <makes claping sound> PUMP YOU UP (with socialist, democratic beliefs)!!!

[sonofsilencedogood]

Freehold said:

I don't know this guy, but I like him.

Yes you do. Rich Kelsey's dad. He was a firebrand as a Republican (too bad) Councilman, too. Tough as Nails former Marine.

F R

Again with the knocks on Republicans...I just don't get it.

[sonofsilencedogood]

admin said:

And let's not even talk about the treacherous trip to the fridge to get them twinkies.

...and who put twinkies in the fridge??? or should I put that in another thread???

[admin]

sonofsilencedogood said:

Freehold said:

Yes you do. Rich Kelsey's dad. He was a firebrand as a Republican (too bad) Councilman, too. Tough as Nails former Marine.

F R

Again with the knocks on Republicans...I just don't get it.

We Republican types are a minority. FR is way out there on the left. If too much Republican stuff show up, I actually get email about partisanship!

I also think FR is quite the hetrophobic. ;D

[admin]

sonofsilencedogood said:

admin said:

And let's not even talk about the treacherous trip to the fridge to get them twinkies.

...and who put twinkies in the fridge??? or should I put that in another thread???

When I was a kid, my grandmother really did keep twinkies in the freezer. They were good that way. Now I can not stand them.

[admin]

I read this op-ed in the NY Post and thought of this recent thread. So here it is, in tribute to the greatest generation.

www.nypost.com/seven/05012007/postopinion/editorials/a_brooklyn_boys_legacy_editorials_.htm


A BROOKLYN BOY'S LEGACY
May 1, 2007 -- By now, it has become a cliché to refer to those who lived through the Depression and went on to win World War II as "The Greatest Generation."

Cliché be d**ned, it's true.

Exhibit A would be Robert Rosenthal, a Brooklyn-born hero who died last month at age 89.

A graduate of Brooklyn College and Brooklyn Law School, Rosenthal was practicing in Manhattan when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor.

He piloted B-17 bombers over Germany; he was shot down twice, making his way to safety on each occasion.

When the war ended, Rosenthal's 16 decorations included the Purple Heart and the Distinguished Service Cross - the nation's second-highest award for combat heroism.

He later returned to Germany as a member of the legal team prosecuting Nazi war criminals at Nuremberg.

Robert Rosenthal's service was exemplary, but he was just one of million of selfless young Americans who answered their nation's call at a time of crisis.

Today, he likely would be thought an odd duck.

Then, the nation was united in support of the president and the armed forces. It was focused on just one goal: total victory - and how best to achieve it.

Today, not so much.

If that was the "Greatest Generation" - and it was - what will history have to say about contemporary America?

Again, we fear, not so much.

[admin]

Hey, the filter even censored the NY Post!