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Post by admin on Apr 4, 2007 17:51:42 GMT -5
I thought I would share some topics of discussion that were brought up at the meeting.
The safety Forum has not fallen to the wayside. I am very happy about that. An ad hoc committee was put together to organize it and it appears they have done an excellent job. There will be many good topics covered and several guest speakers. Due to the better weather, it may be held in an outside forum. The likely date will be May 19. Rain date will be June 9.
When I get the absolute confirmation on this , I will post it. I encourage all of you to come to this event. It will be good.
The Human Relations Committee is seeking more participation and input from all of our residents. We plan on advertising and inviting people in for a big meeting to express concerns etc. Even before that happens, please come out to our meetings. You are all welcome and should at least see what we do. The people I serve with are good people who do care about this town in it's entirety.
Frank Freyre, Cheryl Mott, and I did discuss the trip to Maplewood. The three of us and Jim Keelan were all delegates from the HRC who went. We all appear interested. Right now, Councilman LeVine, who organized and led this trip, has compiled all of our thoughts and perceptions on the trip. His report has been submitted to the Mayor and Council.
In school news
April 20 meeting will honor Stella Mayes for over twenty years of service to the BOE. Please come out and show your appreciation to this dedicated person.
Do not forget to vote on April 17
BOE meetings will likely be moved so as not to occur on the same nights as council meetings. They will likely be held on the second and fourth Tuesdays of each month.
At the Regional School level, it appears they are hurting as well. There is talk that the Freshman sports programs may be cut. I do not know all of the details at this time. Trenton had better be listening.
The last topic of discussion was the recommendations from the rental board. Although this is in the hands of the Mayor and Council, concerns were aired in our committee. We also had Tom Baldwin in attendance. He stated that he is working with a group of day laborers. Mr. Baldwin came out against numbers 1,2,3,7,12, and 15 of the list of recommendations. Mr. Baldwin also stated, clearly, that the law suit is not over.
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Apr 4, 2007 19:27:38 GMT -5
"......Tom Baldwin in attendance. He stated that he is working with a group of day laborers."
Is he now a Day Laborer? Congratulations Tom, guess this proves your never to old for a day of hard labor!
Remember to claim this on your income tax return.
Is he retaining his US citizenship at least, of has he renounced this so he can get better Social Security and medical benefits off the government?
Way to go Tom!!! Man of Vision!!!
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Apr 4, 2007 21:52:06 GMT -5
At this rate we'll have more suits than "The Donald", what ARE they doing, taking Hazelton out on us?
Please, how about we start our own suite, threats, harassment and frivolous legal action, intimidation, civil right violations leading to impeding the ability to conduct regular business, terroristic threats, the list goes on!
I thought these folks agreed to a Settlement, have they changed their Minds! I KNow a fed Judge will NOT take a liking to this AT ALL. Talk about cutting your nose to spite your face, and Alienating your few Boro supporters as well.
Hummmmm
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Post by Freehold Resident on Apr 5, 2007 8:44:53 GMT -5
He's trying to frame the full set of recommendations around #15. That's why he won't let it die. He wants the spirit of #15 to haunt the rest of the list. Mr. B. really wants to see a list of recommendations with no teeth, so that code enforcement doesn't gain any added advantages in its fight against slum landlords and stacking. Too bad the rest of the town doesn't agree with him.
F R
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Post by LS on Apr 5, 2007 9:31:28 GMT -5
the list of recommendations can be found at: newstranscript.gmnews.com/news/2007/0214/Front_page/040.htmlAccording to Brian, here is what Baldwin has a problem with: 1. Institute mandatory annual inspections of all borough rental properties. This will allow code enforcement officers access to rental properties on a regular basis. This recommendation has already been adopted by the council. 2. Hire additional well-trained support staff and inspectors in the Code Enforcement Office. This would enable the office to perform inspections in recommendation No. 1, and to handle quality-of-life complaints thoroughly and in a timely manner. 3. Ensure that tracking methods currently in use are efficient for following up on complaints and violations. The more time code enforcement staff has to spend on data entry, the less time they have to inspect and address emergencies and complaints. Records should be capable of being accessed quickly at all stages of the process. 7. Discontinue the practice of fining only one owner in a multiply owned residence. Fine each owner, thereby increasing revenue and further inconveniencing landlord(s). Similarly, in the case of overcrowding, a fine should be issued for each resident occupying the premises beyond the legal limit. 12. Deputize public works employees (sanitation, recycling, fire inspectors, water/sewer, streets) to report possible violations by calling in suspicious evidence to the Code Enforcement Office. and the infamous 15. |
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Post by Marc LeVine on Apr 5, 2007 10:43:56 GMT -5
Who can be against improved efficiency?
The full council should be discussing the full set of recommendations at the next workshop. Aside from #1 already implemented and research being conducted on the rest of the items (except #15), no solid implementation decisions have been made one way or the other.
Be aware that the Asbury Park Press praised the recommendations in a recent editorial and recommended that the City of Asbury Park pick up a copy (after the slum fire involving 35 illegals). Lakewood has also followed the Borough's lead and just set up a rental committee that is considering our recommendations, in addition to their own.
Marc
1. Institute mandatory annual inspections of all borough rental properties. This will allow code enforcement officers access to rental properties on a regular basis. This recommendation has already been adopted by the council. WE'RE ALREADY ALMOST A YEAR INTO THIS PROGRAM.
2. Hire additional well-trained support staff and inspectors in the Code Enforcement Office. This would enable the office to perform inspections in recommendation No. 1, and to handle quality-of-life complaints thoroughly and in a timely manner. I'M SURE WE'LL CONSIDER THIS IF THE BUDGET ALLOWS
3. Ensure that tracking methods currently in use are efficient for following up on complaints and violations. The more time code enforcement staff has to spend on data entry, the less time they have to inspect and address emergencies and complaints. Records should be capable of being accessed quickly at all stages of the process. WE'RE ALREADY LOOKING INTO SOFTWARE. FUNCTIONALITY AND BUDGET ARE FACTORS.
7. Discontinue the practice of fining only one owner in a multiply owned residence. Fine each owner, thereby increasing revenue and further inconveniencing landlord(s). Similarly, in the case of overcrowding, a fine should be issued for each resident occupying the premises beyond the legal limit. PENDING LEGAL REVIEW.
12. Deputize public works employees (sanitation, recycling, fire inspectors, water/sewer, streets) to report possible violations by calling in suspicious evidence to the Code Enforcement Office. THE WORD "DEPUTIZE" WAS DROPPED. COUNCIL NEEDS TO DISCUSS IF IT WANTS TO TRAIN EMPLOYEES TO ACTIVELY LOOK FOR VARIOUS CODE VIOLATIONS AROUND TOWN.
and the infamous 15.
NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, PER THE MAYOR.
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Post by richardkelsey on Apr 5, 2007 16:10:37 GMT -5
7. Discontinue the practice of fining only one owner in a multiply owned residence. Fine each owner, thereby increasing revenue and further inconveniencing landlord(s). Similarly, in the case of overcrowding, a fine should be issued for each resident occupying the premises beyond the legal limit. PENDING LEGAL REVIEW.Owners of the property should be jointly and severally liable. That is -- you can't collect the fine twice -- once form each (or more). However, each should be liable such that you can collect from any one -- in whole or in part. |
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Post by richardkelsey on Apr 5, 2007 16:21:12 GMT -5
He's trying to frame the full set of recommendations around #15. That's why he won't let it die. He wants the spirit of #15 to haunt the rest of the list. Mr. B. really wants to see a list of recommendations with no teeth, so that code enforcement doesn't gain any added advantages in its fight against slum landlords and stacking. Too bad the rest of the town doesn't agree with him. F R Don't mistake TB for FF. TB is just a clueless soul. FF - that is a smart fellow -- a master manipulator -- with a big picture vision for his own agenda. TB is one of those poor folks that just gets used by the others to make noise. His writing, his letters, his comments demonstrate his abilities -- and expose him as a bit player being used and manipulated. Most of the real players in this game are nameless. They reside outside Freehold, and they work in concert with FF and his allies to advance an agenda. The foot-soilders you often see at these protests are pawns -- most of whom lack the intellectual capital to understand the very issues they protest. If Freehold were a New Years eve party -- they would be the noise makers. They make sound without meaning -- and require someone else's action to get them started. |
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Post by admin on Apr 6, 2007 7:09:02 GMT -5
I thought I would share some topics of discussion that were brought up at the meeting. The safety Forum has not fallen to the wayside. I am very happy about that. An ad hoc committee was put together to organize it and it appears they have done an excellent job. There will be many good topics covered and several guest speakers. Due to the better weather, it may be held in an outside forum. The likely date will be May 19. Rain date will be June 9. When I get the absolute confirmation on this , I will post it. I encourage all of you to come to this event. It will be good. The Human Relations Committee is seeking more participation and input from all of our residents. We plan on advertising and inviting people in for a big meeting to express concerns etc. Even before that happens, please come out to our meetings. You are all welcome and should at least see what we do. The people I serve with are good people who do care about this town in it's entirety. Frank Freyre, Cheryl Mott, and I did discuss the trip to Maplewood. The three of us and Jim Keelan were all delegates from the HRC who went. We all appear interested. Right now, Councilman LeVine, who organized and led this trip, has compiled all of our thoughts and perceptions on the trip. His report has been submitted to the Mayor and Council. In school news April 20 meeting will honor Stella Mayes for over twenty years of service to the BOE. Please come out and show your appreciation to this dedicated person. Do not forget to vote on April 17 BOE meetings will likely be moved so as not to occur on the same nights as council meetings. They will likely be held on the second and fourth Tuesdays of each month. At the Regional School level, it appears they are hurting as well. There is talk that the Freshman sports programs may be cut. I do not know all of the details at this time. Trenton had better be listening. The last topic of discussion was the recommendations from the rental board. Although this is in the hands of the Mayor and Council, concerns were aired in our committee. We also had Tom Baldwin in attendance. He stated that he is working with a group of day laborers. Mr. Baldwin came out against numbers 1,2,3,7,12, and 15 of the list of recommendations. Mr. Baldwin also stated, clearly, that the law suit is not over. A couple of items that were discussed which I forgot to mention in my first post. 1. The memorial Day Parade is doing better with the funding. But, do not forget about the Spaghetti dinner which will help with the parade revenue. I am trying to get some people together to go to this good event at the VFW in April 28. Councilman Sims has tickets for any who are interested. If any are interested, let me know. 2. Frank Argote Freyre suggested that a Day Laborer be appointed to the Human Relations Committee. This idea should have been forwarded to the Mayor via Council liaison Sims. |
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Post by Marc LeVine on Apr 6, 2007 10:31:23 GMT -5
Let's not forget that former taxi cab driver and present public works employee, Luis DeJesus was a charter member of the HRC. Not a day laborer, but Luis was very much in touch with the Freehold Borough Latino community. After all, he spent 8-10 hours per day talking to them one on one in his cab.
A new appointee from the immigrant community? Sure. It makes perfect sense. We MUST dialog with the immigrant community and encourage them to seek out new leaders from within. This is the ONLY way the town will develop a mutual understanding with the folks.
Marc
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Post by Marc LeVine on Apr 6, 2007 11:28:16 GMT -5
Geo:
Rest assured that the decision was not made made as the result of any one person's silly ramblings or empty threats. We vote on what makes sense and is prudent.
Marc
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Apr 6, 2007 11:31:06 GMT -5
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Apr 6, 2007 12:37:54 GMT -5
Let's not forget that former taxi cab driver and present public works employee, Luis DeJesus was a charter member of the HRC. Not a day laborer, but Luis was very much in touch with the Freehold Borough Latino community. After all, he spent 8-10 hours per day talking to them one on one in his cab. A new appointee from the immigrant community? Sure. It makes perfect sense. We MUST dialog with the immigrant community and encourage them to seek out new leaders from within. This is the ONLY way the town will develop a mutual understanding with the folks. Marc First, yes .."We MUST dialog with the immigrant community and encourage them to seek out new leaders from within."and appoint this leader to a HRC. Putting a day laborer on the HSC is silly. I thought FF is there to represent these folks, as well as Rev. Andre. Will this Day laborer be asked to prove he is a LEGAL Alien? I hope so, because placing a criminal on the HRC will totally diminish the validity of the HRC, and will send a clear message to the Legal Residents of the Boro that FF can totally manipulate the Mayor and Council to his every whim. Lets appoint a "Former" sex offender too, as well as a member of the Crypts (or bloods, whoever they are) from Bond street. How about we appoint a few Pot Heads to, they deserve a voice. Please, what are we turning into, are we all being held captive by mass criminality, and now MUST ACCEPT THEM AS EQUAL MEMBERS OF OUR SOCIETY? Since when to we allow criminals, felons no less, to establish policy? ENOUGH IS ENOUGH ALREADY. THEY TAKE THE PINKIE, Next the HAND, Next the ARM, AND OUR HOMES NEXT! If FFs representation on the HRC in not enough then he is not good representation. What happened to the Mayor we had last MAY who said "Bring it on"? Well they did, and now what? It's like the folks saying for us to cut and run in Iraq, after we started this whole mess, lets not fix it, lets not do the right thing, lets just get bullied, cower like a paper tiger because the task is difficult, and let us be used as door matt's to be walked all over. Where is the PISS and VINEGAR we elected to represent us, and can any one tell me where I can find a copy of "The October Settlement"? If there is an Illegal Alien appointed, the Natives will get VERY restless., FF is their Representative on the HRC and that must be good enough. Who is running Freehold Boro, the lawers from our "Liability Insurance" company, who have their share holders, not the Boro residents best interest in mind? NOW it sounds like we need to have an HRC sponsored Town Hall meeting for Day laborers and Boro residents to speak openly, in a friendly, none confrontational venue, then lets make this happen fast!...in my opinion. |
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Post by Marc LeVine on Apr 6, 2007 13:24:30 GMT -5
FIGFY. Come on...have an open mind to a dialog. Communication is the answer to everything. When there is no talking, there is no listening. There is no understanding. There is no complying.
The Fund for an Open Society talked about inclusion and dialog with this community when our group went up there in February. Why encourage these people to live in the shadows and disregard the Borough's lawful requirements? You want continued overcrowding; illegal restaurants; unsafe bike riders; car jumping at Rita's; horn blowing; etc? The status quo will insure that continues or everything will be heavy handed rather than intuitively understood an accepted. Or, at least we can say - "we told you so."
Better that the immigrants, legal and illegal, understand the town's expectations and realize that the rules apply to EVERYONE living here. Forget this business of ignore them and they will go away. They live among us and we have to
communicate with them.
FF will no longer serve on HRC after this year and it is high time the people represent themselves instead of the LLA representing them. If we were to put an immigrant on the HRC, what are we giving up? There is no power there. There is only a body of people interested in working together for peace and community.
Piss and vinegar? I still oppose illegal immigration, vehemently. But I can still hate the sin without hating the sinner. We're not getting anywhere by not talking to the 3000 people that are living by their own rules among us. Just my opinion.
Marc
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Apr 6, 2007 13:28:10 GMT -5
I agree with most of what you say...but maybe I should have STARTED my post with...
NOW it sounds like we need to have an HRC sponsored Town Hall meeting for Day laborers and Boro residents to speak openly, in a friendly, none confrontational venue, then lets make this happen fast!...
Would this be a good start...
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Post by Hawkeye on Apr 6, 2007 15:02:15 GMT -5
FIGFY. Come on...have an open mind to a dialog. Communication is the answer to everything. When there is no talking, there is no listening. There is no understanding. There is no complying. The Fund for an Open Society talked about inclusion and dialog with this community when our group went up there in February. Why encourage these people to live in the shadows and disregard the Borough's lawful requirements? You want continued overcrowding; illegal restaurants; unsafe bike riders; car jumping at Rita's; horn blowing; etc? The status quo will insure that continues or everything will be heavy handed rather than intuitively understood an accepted. Or, at least we can say - "we told you so." Better that the immigrants, legal and illegal, understand the town's expectations and realize that the rules apply to EVERYONE living here. Forget this business of ignore them and they will go away. They live among us and we have to communicate with them. FF will no longer serve on HRC after this year and it is high time the people represent themselves instead of the LLA representing them. If we were to put an immigrant on the HRC, what are we giving up? There is no power there. There is only a body of people interested in working together for peace and community. Piss and vinegar? I still oppose illegal immigration, vehemently. But I can still hate the sin without hating the sinner. We're not getting anywhere by not talking to the 3000 people that are living by their own rules among us. Just my opinion. Marc Councilman LeVine, I am one of the new readers of this site. I found it after the little event that you were the center of. And yes, I was there that night. I was one of the residents who were not let in. Councilman, I do not know if you have noticed, but this town has problems. From where I am standing, you and the rest of the governing body are caving in. How could you, or anyone else let an illegal immigrant come to any table as a legitimate voice? You are being bullied. You are losing. The human committee seams to have people who should voice the illegal invader concerns. What have they done? Have they tried to play fair or friendly? I have never seen it. Has any other reader? What makes you think that a day laborer will be any different or better? You can cave into them all you want, but they will still March in our streets waving flags from other countries. they will still sue you at the drop of a hat. They will still call you a racist. And now you will appoint one to a committee? Sucker. It seams to me the human committee is stacked with sympathizers. Where are the voices for the rest of the town? Illegal immigrants sneak into our country and then bully their way onto our governing bodies? We are all suckers. I hope some one runs against all of you. We need backbone in this town. Otherwise just put out the welcome mat. |
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Post by Hawkeye on Apr 6, 2007 15:22:30 GMT -5
Let's not forget that former taxi cab driver and present public works employee, Luis DeJesus was a charter member of the HRC. Not a day laborer, but Luis was very much in touch with the Freehold Borough Latino community. After all, he spent 8-10 hours per day talking to them one on one in his cab. A new appointee from the immigrant community? Sure. It makes perfect sense. We MUST dialog with the immigrant community and encourage them to seek out new leaders from within. This is the ONLY way the town will develop a mutual understanding with the folks. Marc You can't have a dialog with a people who do not even speak your language. If that dude Luis was so good, were is he now? Did he do any good? Or was he like the rest of those creeps? |
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Post by Hawkeye on Apr 6, 2007 15:25:03 GMT -5
" ......Tom Baldwin in attendance. He stated that he is working with a group of day laborers."Is he now a Day Laborer? Congratulations Tom, guess this proves your never to old for a day of hard labor! Remember to claim this on your income tax return. Is he retaining his US citizenship at least, of has he renounced this so he can get better Social Security and medical benefits off the government? Way to go Tom!!! Man of Vision!!! You better get used to saying councilman Baldwin and Mayor Freyre. Those dudes own this town. Get used to it. |
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Post by admin on Apr 6, 2007 17:00:07 GMT -5
FIGFY. Come on...have an open mind to a dialog. Communication is the answer to everything. When there is no talking, there is no listening. There is no understanding. There is no complying. The Fund for an Open Society talked about inclusion and dialog with this community when our group went up there in February. Why encourage these people to live in the shadows and disregard the Borough's lawful requirements? You want continued overcrowding; illegal restaurants; unsafe bike riders; car jumping at Rita's; horn blowing; etc? The status quo will insure that continues or everything will be heavy handed rather than intuitively understood an accepted. Or, at least we can say - "we told you so." Better that the immigrants, legal and illegal, understand the town's expectations and realize that the rules apply to EVERYONE living here. Forget this business of ignore them and they will go away. They live among us and we have to communicate with them. FF will no longer serve on HRC after this year and it is high time the people represent themselves instead of the LLA representing them. If we were to put an immigrant on the HRC, what are we giving up? There is no power there. There is only a body of people interested in working together for peace and community. Piss and vinegar? I still oppose illegal immigration, vehemently. But I can still hate the sin without hating the sinner. We're not getting anywhere by not talking to the 3000 people that are living by their own rules among us. Just my opinion. Marc Councilman LeVine, I am one of the new readers of this site. I found it after the little event that you were the center of. And yes, I was there that night. I was one of the residents who were not let in. Councilman, I do not know if you have noticed, but this town has problems. From where I am standing, you and the rest of the governing body are caving in. How could you, or anyone else let an illegal immigrant come to any table as a legitimate voice? You are being bullied. You are losing. The human committee seams to have people who should voice the illegal invader concerns. What have they done? Have they tried to play fair or friendly? I have never seen it. Has any other reader? What makes you think that a day laborer will be any different or better? You can cave into them all you want, but they will still March in our streets waving flags from other countries. they will still sue you at the drop of a hat. They will still call you a racist. And now you will appoint one to a committee? Sucker. It seams to me the human committee is stacked with sympathizers. Where are the voices for the rest of the town? Illegal immigrants sneak into our country and then bully their way onto our governing bodies? We are all suckers. I hope some one runs against all of you. We need backbone in this town. Otherwise just put out the welcome mat. Hawkeye, I want to welcome you to the site, but relax with the hostility and name calling. I also have news for you. Marc has plenty of backbone. Why do you think he has been a target? And as a person who sits on the Human Relations Advisory Committee, I can tell you that they are all good people. Give us a chance. I hope you will continue to participate on this site and register as a user instead of remaining a guest. If you ever need to contact me, I can be reached at brian@people-fb.com Brian Admin |
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Post by Marc LeVine on Apr 6, 2007 17:04:18 GMT -5
My point was that we HAD Latino representation and do not to be exalt FF for bringing this to our attention. Luis was an OK member. Nice guy. Kind of quiet, but helpful.
Marc
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Post by Marc LeVine on Apr 6, 2007 17:15:10 GMT -5
No one is caving in to anything. Just looking for ways to move us ahead. There are many ways to approach the situation and many ideas are brought to the table for consideration. Ideas come from everyone, including our residents. And, then consensus is reached and we take action.
NO one approves of illegal immigration. We all wish there were no such problems effecting Freehold Borough or the nation, for that matter. Unfortunately, these issues exist throughout the entire US and it is best that we, in FB lessen the impact on our town any way we can and get ourselves some better PR, so that we remain a desirable place for others to visit, do business and live.
I don't see how talking with people about their responsibilities and gaining their compliance can be viewed as a negative thing - unless, of course, the people we are talking to do not cooperate. In that case, there are legal remedies available that apply to all of us. And once people are put on notice...well, let's hope everybody agrees to follow the same rules.
Marc
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Post by for sale sign on Apr 6, 2007 18:12:59 GMT -5
Ideas come from everyone, including our residents. And, then consensus is reached and we take action.Just like the consensus gained from the community regarding the Settlement with the Illegal Immigrants and their Advocates, right!
it is best that we, in FB lessen the impact on our town any way we can and get ourselves some better PR, so that we remain a desirable place for others to visit, do business and live. Law enforcement based on PR? Is that the way we Govern ourselves? Sounds like there is more going on than what is being told to boroughs residents, this concerns me. Is Freehold Boro being intimidated by the Advocate threating to have regular protests and other actions that will disrupt our governments ability to function as it needs to?
I don't see how talking with people about their responsibilities and gaining their compliance can be viewed as a negative thing - unless, of course, the people we are talking to do not cooperate. In that case, there are legal remedies available that apply to all of us. This is what Boroughs Government has been doing for the last 6 plus years, it is past the time for "notice"
"...well, let's hope everybody agrees to follow the same rules" Again, 6 months after the Settlement with the Advocates, you are suggesting that we have yet agree on rules. These should be spelled out with concise, clear and well detail rules in Federal Settlement, so what gives?
These comments raise more questions about what is really going on, and what the boroughs government is hiding from the residents.
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Post by for sale SIGNS on Apr 7, 2007 10:28:02 GMT -5
Hawkeye and For Sale -- your frustration is clearly understood and warranted. Remember, though, there is not much a municipality can do on its own. If it does, some advocate somewhere reigns down on it with the ACLU and others. However, that said, I believe FB's current seven elected leaders are doing the best job they can under the circumstances. They are willing to listen, to try and find the most peaceful and encompasisng solutions possible without degrading any quality of life or infrastructure. It is a herculean task. Personally, I don't blame the Mayor or council members if they don't want the frequent circuses staged as the one a month ago. I believe they are NOT backing down, rather they are wisely endeavoring to protect and preserve the town's reputation and protect its residents from the after-effects of the town being media-raped by the LLA and its unwashed army. Do you see the difference? Marc is fully correct -- talking with people about their responsibilities and gaining their compliance is a positive thing. This is the duty of any elected official -- to listen, to try to find the most suitable resolutions under current laws and regulations. When you listen, you learn. When you learn, you can act wisely and with a certain grace. It is indeed a difficult time -- and no easy solution shall be forthcoming in a day or two. It takes time, and it will also take the U.S. Government to get off its bloated butt and allow states and local governments to do what is necessary to deal effectively and humanely with a population of illegal residents. Hun, This is the frustration of all Black, White, Hispanic Asian legal residents who call Freehold Borough home. Where is the backbone of our elected leadership? We have 6 shell shocked council member and a Mayor taking no action on his words. You say our "leaders are doing the best job", sorry I high standards for leadership. Can you disagree that Throckmorten and Main St is worse than ever. The illegal population has grown since October. There are more vehicles with PA plates and NC plates running around town, more contractor pickup trucks making street corner pick ups, more rental homes now than ever. The BOE Free "day care" service has steady enrollment growth. Now our BOE will charge the home owners more giving less education services. Less Music, Less Art, Less Gifted and Talented with more Latino & ESL agenda. Did you look at the budget referendum? Our schools are turning into Latino baby sitting service for these tax cheating criminals. Our children's education is being Raped. Our BOE is expect you to vote YES for this. You say wait for the Federal Government. Every time the leaders you refer to have attempt to correct a problem, it has turned into kaotic cluster phuck. The muster zone was mishandled, the current rental advisory board recommendations has been steam rolled too, and nothing will happen. Now a foolhardy appointment of an illegal alien to the dysfunctional Human Relations Committee. There is a prevailing cowardly defeatist attitude from our borough government with respect to the needed 287(g). We want home rule. Great cities and towns do not waiting for a fed. gov for solutions to fix crime. What of curtailing street drug problems, do you wait for the FBI, ATF, US Customs Service, Home Land Security, to to take action and stop flow? Never, the local government always take immediate resolute action? First start with the Nuisance crimes, from spitting on the street, no seat belts, headlights, J-walking etc. This includes the Drug dealing that we know has been going on for years. The borough government has not supported strong law and order. What saved NYC from the brink of lawlessness was Rudy Giuliani's attack on the nuisance crimes, the Mayor of Newark Cory Booker, is now doing the same approach. Media Rape? Now the Borough government allows the out of town media to dictate policy. If this is true this will prove that borough government caved in under pressure and is not resolute. You are saying that borough government facilitates the media, and not constituents? Government must not be easily manipulated by outside media, nor imported activists. This condition suggests that they are not capable of governing. You are OK with the new mission statement for borough governmentt "keeping the LLA and its unwashed army content and quiet"? Think, ask your heart, is this right or is this a violation of everything that is civil in America? |
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Post by angry guest on Apr 7, 2007 10:38:27 GMT -5
FIGFY. Come on...have an open mind to a dialog. Communication is the answer to everything. When there is no talking, there is no listening. There is no understanding. There is no complying. The Fund for an Open Society talked about inclusion and dialog with this community when our group went up there in February. Why encourage these people to live in the shadows and disregard the Borough's lawful requirements? You want continued overcrowding; illegal restaurants; unsafe bike riders; car jumping at Rita's; horn blowing; etc? The status quo will insure that continues or everything will be heavy handed rather than intuitively understood an accepted. Or, at least we can say - "we told you so." Better that the immigrants, legal and illegal, understand the town's expectations and realize that the rules apply to EVERYONE living here. Forget this business of ignore them and they will go away. They live among us and we have to communicate with them. FF will no longer serve on HRC after this year and it is high time the people represent themselves instead of the LLA representing them. If we were to put an immigrant on the HRC, what are we giving up? There is no power there. There is only a body of people interested in working together for peace and community. Piss and vinegar? I still oppose illegal immigration, vehemently. But I can still hate the sin without hating the sinner. We're not getting anywhere by not talking to the 3000 people that are living by their own rules among us. Just my opinion. Marc |
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Post by angry guest on Apr 7, 2007 10:47:11 GMT -5
...got so angry I forgot my response!!!
Marc...you seem to me to be one of the council members who actually want to enact some sort of positive change in our town (along with Councilman Sims)...but the time for "talk" and "open dialog" has come and gone under the neglectful eye of Mayor Wilson and the Town Council. We are now in a state of full blown crisis...it's time for action, not words.
While I agree that we need to touch base with certain aspects of the illegal immigrant population in town, it is not so we can "start to sit down and have an open dialog".
Find those amongst the illegals who truly want to make a better life for themselves and their family in this town...aka those who want to become legal citizens (again, they do exist), and work with them to deal decisively with those who are just here for the free ride.
Your posts on here about creating lines of communication and dialog and making in-roads are, quite frankly, more political talk with no action...you're better than that.
Like I said, the Town Council and especially the Mayor have let the time for talk come and go...it's too late to start talking now...ACT
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Post by Casual Reader on Apr 7, 2007 11:25:01 GMT -5
Whoa Dudes and Dudettes -- We all need some happy pills. This is the season of peace -- Easter -- Passover. We all need to take a step back from the abyss. (I love that word). I am sitting here with TB and FF and the rest of those loveable knuckleheads at the LLA and they all want to wish you a Happy Holiday.  Now a couple of comments -- perhaps I can bring my usual wisdom into the discussion and calm the savage souls of some of the recent posters. +++ It makes a lot of sense to appoint a day laborer to the Human Relations Committee. If this is the group you are angry with then let us get their viewpoint. I talk with a lot of the Latinos in the town. I am sure you can find plenty of them who know enough English to hold a conversation. +++ Ms. Casual and I love the borough but the last thing we want to do if and when we have kids is send them to the borough schools. Ms. Casual says: "When we have kids we are getting out of here." Why? because people refuse to fund the necessary building projects. The students meet in toilet stalls for classes. But rather than fix the problem the parents stay home and let the seniors strike down the budget. Makes no sense dudes and dudettes. Now remember be happy! Casual will always be with you  Titanically Casual |
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Apr 7, 2007 11:35:09 GMT -5
Whoa Dudes and Dudettes -- We all need some happy pills. This is the season of peace -- Easter -- Passover. We all need to take a step back from the abyss. (I love that word). I am sitting here with TB and FF and the rest of those loveable knuckleheads at the LLA and they all want to wish you a Happy Holiday. Now a couple of comments -- perhaps I can bring my usual wisdom into the discussion and calm the savage souls of some of the recent posters. +++ It makes a lot of sense to appoint a day laborer to the Human Relations Committee. If this is the group you are angry with then let us get their viewpoint. I talk with a lot of the Latinos in the town. I am sure you can find plenty of them who know enough English to hold a conversation. +++ Ms. Casual and I love the borough but the last thing we want to do if and when we have kids is send them to the borough schools. Ms. Casual says: "When we have kids we are getting out of here." Why? because people refuse to fund the necessary building projects. The students meet in toilet stalls for classes. But rather than fix the problem the parents stay home and let the seniors strike down the budget. Makes no sense dudes and dudettes. Now remember be happy! Casual will always be with you Titanically Casual Ohla Casual... What a great thing to hear, why not casually knock up the future Ms. Casual (take a casual 3 minutes rather than the usual 30 seconds) , and you can casually call the casual moving truck and move to casual Hazelton. Have a casual pascua feliz! Casual at the speed of light! |
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Post by angry guest on Apr 7, 2007 12:50:12 GMT -5
+++ Ms. Casual and I love the borough but the last thing we want to do if and when we have kids is send them to the borough schools. Ms. Casual says: "When we have kids we are getting out of here." Why? because people refuse to fund the necessary building projects. The students meet in toilet stalls for classes. But rather than fix the problem the parents stay home and let the seniors strike down the budget. Makes no sense dudes and dudettes. Casual...duuuuude...you are...like...so missing the point man. Let me smooth it out nice and sloooowww for your casual reading... Dude...there's like 1400 kids in the schools...just under half of which are parented by those crazy cats, the illegal immigrants...so that leaves around 800 kids of parents who legally can vote for school referendums (though I am sure you know that voting is just another form of selling out to "the Man"). Let's break it down a bit further... Most of the parents in town were full of love and peace 8-10 years ago when they had their kids...which is why many of them have 2 kids or more!!! Lot's of lovin' dude...can you feel that? Then of course there are those mothers or fathers who loved and lost...and now are having to raise their little dudes and dudettes all alone...much love to them! I don't want to get too heavy, man, but let's just say for arguments sake that there are 700 parents who are legally allowed to vote here in town. Well, because the taxes are so high for this working class town...many of these households have parents that may not get home from work until late at night, some of them work their bodies to the bone so that the kids of those illegal immigrants can keep going to the schools for free, without their parents having to contribute to the system (a.k.a. "the Man" again). The people have been nice to the illegal immigrants for going on 10 years or more now...but now they're tired, man....they're tired of having to work longer hours, two jobs, weekends, and late nights to support not just their kids, but the kids of the illegal immigrants. Come on...dude...I know you can see...this just ain't fair...and the parents along with everyone else in town (who's also paying for the illegal immigrants, without having kids of their own in the schools) want everyone to pitch in their fair share, like one big happy family, dude. The Casual One does not seem to realize that for years, we have said "the dude abides"...but now we want equality. We want fairness. We want equal representation of our rights. It's a happening, man, and it's about time. |
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Apr 7, 2007 13:19:32 GMT -5
Angry, great energy, as well as perfect point, only one problem here....Casual is a board trolling master...baiter, so what you will find is Casual will lead you into a long drawn out "E"-Bate.
Thus, Casual is inconsequential, adds zero value to any debate other than to goat you into new levels of merit-less frustration, which is It's mission here...get your goat, get a boggus reaction from you and then paint you into the Raciest Picture...
My advice, play is OK, but save your energy for a worth while, productive intellectual exchange!
Cheers, and well look for you in a yellow shirt at the next school board meeting! Give them H E L L!
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Post by Hawkeye on Apr 8, 2007 9:09:38 GMT -5
Hawkeye and For Sale -- your frustration is clearly understood and warranted. Remember, though, there is not much a municipality can do on its own. If it does, some advocate somewhere reigns down on it with the ACLU and others. However, that said, I believe FB's current seven elected leaders are doing the best job they can under the circumstances. They are willing to listen, to try and find the most peaceful and encompasisng solutions possible without degrading any quality of life or infrastructure. It is a herculean task. Personally, I don't blame the Mayor or council members if they don't want the frequent circuses staged as the one a month ago. I believe they are NOT backing down, rather they are wisely endeavoring to protect and preserve the town's reputation and protect its residents from the after-effects of the town being media-raped by the LLA and its unwashed army. Do you see the difference? Marc is fully correct -- talking with people about their responsibilities and gaining their compliance is a positive thing. This is the duty of any elected official -- to listen, to try to find the most suitable resolutions under current laws and regulations. When you listen, you learn. When you learn, you can act wisely and with a certain grace. It is indeed a difficult time -- and no easy solution shall be forthcoming in a day or two. It takes time, and it will also take the U.S. Government to get off its bloated butt and allow states and local governments to do what is necessary to deal effectively and humanely with a population of illegal residents. . However, that said, I believe FB's current seven elected leaders are doing the best job they can under the circumstances. They are willing to listen, to try and find the most peaceful and encompasisng solutions possible without degrading any quality of life or infrastructure. It is a herculean task. They may be trying, but they are failing. You do not negotiate with . That is what they are doing. Our quality of life has been degraded and our elected leaders have led the way.Personally, I don't blame the Mayor or council members if they don't want the frequent circuses staged as the one a month ago. I believe they are NOT backing down, rather they are wisely endeavoring to protect and preserve the town's reputation and protect its residents from the after-effects of the town being media-raped by the LLA and its unwashed army. Do you see the difference? I do blame the Mayor and council members. If they are to take any real action, they will have to get used to the circus. . How about if the rest of us get together and bring this town down like the LLA has? Would we then be heard? Is that how we are to make progress?. They should not be rewarded. Our town should not have to listen to a day laborer or any other person who has not shown any respect to the rest of the law abiding citizens in this town. The time for dialog is well past. If those want a place at the table, they need to earn it. They need to be brought to their knees and beg for it. tactics would not be rewarded. Only cowards would do that . It appears that is what our elected leaders are. Marc is fully correct -- talking with people about their responsibilities and gaining their compliance is a positive thing. This is the duty of any elected official -- to listen, to try to find the most suitable resolutions under current laws and regulations. Councilman LeVine is wrong. He has been beaten by the. The time for talk is not under the threats that have continued. And do not be so stupid as to believe that the illegal invaders do not understand what they are supposed to do. They Know, they do not care. And they will not until they are pushed hard. Again, negotiating with never works. They count on naive little girls like you to cave in.Our elected leaders have been on the defense for too long. That really should have ended after the law suit, but it has become worse. They are going down the wrong path. They do have their tail between their legs. We all see thebehavior of the LLA and the others. Our elected leaders should go on the offense and tell these where to go. Instead the buckle under. I can only hope there is some real leadership watching and waiting to run in November. Edited for content by admin |
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