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Post by Marc LeVine on Feb 21, 2007 10:51:40 GMT -5
Consider. If the Bill of Rights truly offers Illegal immigrants RIGHTS, then why can't they VOTE?
Furthermore, government REPRESENTS those who VOTE and even those who fail to VOTE, but not those who are not permitted to VOTE, except those under the age of 18.
Elected officials, then, are responsible for making policy on behalf of ONLY those legally qualified to VOTE and their children.
The Bill of Rights for illegal alien's really just respects their basic rights, but not their social and political goals. Therefore, they have no elected representation, as should be the case. You can't steal into someone else's country and demand the same elected representation of it's citizens.
We are often threatened and sometimes "promised" a backlash from immigrants, who may eventually gain legal status in our country. To those people say this (when they eventually gain legitimacy): "Welcome to what it means to be an American." And, then I will remind them that "as former illegal immigrants, you deserved the cold shoulder you got from citizens for living outside our laws."
There is no dignity for lawbreakers, but accountability, apologies and paybacks are welcome. And, there is a price to pay by ANYONE, who breaks the law and for any reason that they do so. Justifications may exist in their own minds, but our laws are very clear about what right and what is wrong.
Marc
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Post by Zeus on Feb 21, 2007 11:46:12 GMT -5
Not true... The government also represents convicts and ex-convicts, the mentally handicapped, alien cardholders. Anyway you get the idea Mr. Levine, there are plenty of non-voters that are also represented by the government and protected by the Bill of Rights. _______________________ Furthermore, government REPRESENTS those who VOTE and even those who fail to VOTE, but not those who are not permitted to VOTE, except those under the age of 18. ______________________ Consider. If the Bill of Rights truly offers Illegal immigrants RIGHTS, then why can't they VOTE? Furthermore, government REPRESENTS those who VOTE and even those who fail to VOTE, but not those who are not permitted to VOTE, except those under the age of 18. Elected officials, then, are responsible for making policy on behalf of ONLY those legally qualified to VOTE and their children. The Bill of Rights for illegal alien's really just respects their basic rights, but not their social and political goals. Therefore, they have no elected representation, as should be the case. You can't steal into someone else's country and demand the same elected representation of it's citizens. We are often threatened and sometimes "promised" a backlash from immigrants, who may eventually gain legal status in our country. To those people say this (when they eventually gain legitimacy): "Welcome to what it means to be an American." And, then I will remind them that "as former illegal immigrants, you deserved the cold shoulder you got from citizens for living outside our laws." There is no dignity for lawbreakers, but accountability, apologies and paybacks are welcome. And, there is a price to pay by ANYONE, who breaks the law and for any reason that they do so. Justifications may exist in their own minds, but our laws are very clear about what right and what is wrong. Marc
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Post by Marc LeVine on Feb 21, 2007 12:15:35 GMT -5
Most convicts...are still citizens and unless they are disenfranchised (and they can be), they are represented in the appropriate and measured way. "Measured" meaning for example - living restrictions placed on registered sex offenders... So, not even ALL former criminals still retain full rights.
Mentally Handicapped...let's not go there...These are people, who may not even be able to care for themselves. But, they are often "wards of the state" and/or are mostly born as and to American citizens or permanent residents. Let's not compare them to illegal immigrants. That's, actually, a poor taste example and I know you didn't mean it that way.
Alien cardholders... well...there's "legitimacy," there. Isn't there? So, what's you point?
Bottom line and irrefutable, here, is that ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS CAN NOT VOTE. This is my main point. And, there is a reason for this. It has to do with the word ILLEGAL.
Our government is not their friend, either, for leaving them in limbo -- and this we can both agree on. But, what they may think they can demand (the vote) is still far out of their reach.
Marc
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Post by Marc LeVine on Feb 21, 2007 12:18:42 GMT -5
Zeus...by the way, GOOD DEBATE! NO INSULTS, just perspectives. Let's hear from others, too. ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE.
Attorney, Rich Kelsey...what say you?
Marc
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Post by richardkelsey on Feb 21, 2007 16:26:48 GMT -5
Zeus...by the way, GOOD DEBATE! NO INSULTS, just perspectives. Let's hear from others, too. ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE. Attorney, Rich Kelsey...what say you? Marc The Bill of Rights -- Amendments 1-10 -- do not contain a Federal Constitutional right to vote. Amendment 15 gives "U.S. Citizens" the right to vote.
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