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Post by botaniseur on Sept 11, 2008 12:00:16 GMT -5
I heard that the population at FLC is currently 200 students over the allowed code. Does anyone know anything about this?If so, how does the school pass fire code laws etc?
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Post by novillero on Sept 11, 2008 12:18:21 GMT -5
I would think that if one school is overcrowded, so is the other one?
Since there is a duty to educate all resident children of this town, regardless of their or their parents legality to be in the U.S., what is the short-term and long-term solutions? (that is, assuming the premise is true)
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Post by admin on Sept 11, 2008 13:16:23 GMT -5
I heard that the population at FLC is currently 200 students over the allowed code. Does anyone know anything about this?If so, how does the school pass fire code laws etc? Welcome to the site, this is an interesting first post. I am only passing through right now, but will try to get back with real numbers for you later on. I do believe both schools are overcrowded. The need for more room is the reason why we had a referendum to add on to the schools and accommodate the growing population. BTW, the referendum failed twice. Voters said no. |
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Post by botaniseur on Sept 12, 2008 9:44:55 GMT -5
Novirello, I dont care as much about the parents legality here, that never going away. My concern is for these kids in the event of a emergency. I just dont get how the schools can skirt these fire/code laws..
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Post by novillero on Sept 12, 2008 9:58:12 GMT -5
Botaniseur, I understand completely. My point was not as articulate as I wanted it to be...
How does the Board of Ed solve this problem - they can't selectively educate children. Money is an obvious issue. What to do?
Perhaps, an agreement with neighboring township schools? Trailers in the parking lots? or keep the status quo and hope there is no emergencies?
Is there a solution? if the fire code official (Hank Stryker???) closes the school, where does that leave us? What choices do the schools have? Raising taxes and constructing a new building is a long term solution and doesn't help us out today.
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Post by admin on Sept 12, 2008 10:31:04 GMT -5
From what I understand, the Trailers are only supposed to be temporary as per state rules.
I looked up the numbers from the information I got at citizens academy. Things may have changed, but here is what I have.
1. First point, from Sept 2007 to January 2008 there was a slight decline in student population. From 1361 to 1338.
2. The functional capacity is as follows:
FLC 460, actually has 503
PAE 389, actually has 451
FIS 270, actually has 384
I do not believe these totals take pre-k into consideration, but most of that is at the church.
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Post by admin on Sept 12, 2008 10:50:07 GMT -5
Novirello, I dont care as much about the parents legality here, that never going away. My concern is for these kids in the event of a emergency. I just dont get how the schools can skirt these fire/code laws.. As far as your very valid concerns about safety, I do not have very specific information. The schools do have safety programs in place, many of which are state mandated. The building maintenance staff are a vital part of the school safety. They are charged with maintaining compliance standards with the following-- national Fire Protection association, ADA, EPA, and OSHA. They also have an extensive checklist of items that must be up to code and are reviewed by local code enforcement. All staff are required to deal with ongoing training that includes practice drills for fires and evacuation. While I am sure that over crowding can affect these issues, from what I have seen the schools are doing well in complying with common sense safety practices. |
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Post by admin on Sept 12, 2008 19:15:57 GMT -5
Another good point which was sent to me by a credible source:
"Functional Capicity is an education standard set by the DOE, it does not related to the Safety/ Fire code capaicty set by the FD.
No worries we are NOT exceeding that number!!!"
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Post by adefonzo on Sept 13, 2008 19:18:13 GMT -5
you beat me to the punch, Brian...
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Post by admin on Sept 15, 2008 6:17:54 GMT -5
brian@people-fb.com
The above is an email address that any person can reach me at. Some have used it before and one of our readers reached out to me with some more numbers. I consider this a credible source. Here is the update.
In reference to the pre school classes, there are thirty students at the church and twenty seven at the FLC.
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Post by admin on Sept 15, 2008 6:20:28 GMT -5
brian@people-fb.com The above is an email address that any person can reach me at. Some have used it before and one of our readers reached out to me with some more numbers. I consider this a credible source. Here is the update. In reference to the pre school classes, there are thirty students at the church and twenty seven at the FLC. PS I will add one thing. If people have questions about the schools, I have found dealing with them to be easy enough. If I or another person had called with any of the questions found in this thread, we likely would have received the answers we seek. That said, I greatly appreciate those who do reach out to provide the best info possible for this site. |
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Post by novillero on Sept 15, 2008 8:10:59 GMT -5
Question: Brian, are those numbers for just one class? Is it full time, or half day? Is there more than one pre-school class at either place? Lastly, what age pre-school (3 year old or four year old pre-schoolers, or mixed???)
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Post by admin on Sept 15, 2008 8:44:15 GMT -5
Question: Brian, are those numbers for just one class? Is it full time, or half day? Is there more than one pre-school class at either place? Lastly, what age pre-school (3 year old or four year old pre-schoolers, or mixed???) Thats a lot of questions! I can only guess, based on news paper reports, that the pre -K is 3 and 4 year olds, some of which are full day. |
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Post by admin on Sept 16, 2008 5:44:27 GMT -5
Question: Brian, are those numbers for just one class? Is it full time, or half day? Is there more than one pre-school class at either place? Lastly, what age pre-school (3 year old or four year old pre-schoolers, or mixed???) Thats a lot of questions! I can only guess, based on news paper reports, that the pre -K is 3 and 4 year olds, some of which are full day. A reader, who I would call credible, responded with the following numbers. Two preschool classes at the church each have 15 four year olds enrolled in the all day program. There are 15 four year olds in the all day program at the FLC. The remaining all day preschool students at FLC are mixed 3 and 4 year old with the majority being 4. Once a child is identified as having special needs, a school district is required by law to provide preschool instruction as early as age three. We do have children in our district who meet the special needs criteria. Also remember, special needs students also cost more per pupil than general education students. The general education preschool is just four year olds this year. |
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