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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Apr 25, 2007 13:31:01 GMT -5
I was frustrated (honestly, INSULTED) when I go to the awards ceremony at FLC, and I hear the Awards announced in SPANISH ONLY, for the SPANISH ONLY classes.
These children need to receive awards in English, and their parents need to accept this fact.
Awards in Spanish is NOT a sign of successful assimilation, as well as NOT a sign that the ESL programs are working!
Let these families have an opportunity to express appreciation for the hard work the schools and the Boro does to "Accommodate" them and welcome them, by providing Awards in the Native Language of their adopted home!
Generaly, our schools do a GREAT job under rough conditions, but this school district needs to establish resolute policies about conducting business in the language that is OUR native language! Just like the business of how we sing the Nation Anthem, and the Pledge of Allegiance.
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Post by Marc LeVine on Apr 25, 2007 14:17:37 GMT -5
I agree with you, but let's not overshadow the impressive achievements of our immigrant children, who have earned these awards, on their own merit. Let's not take anything away from them, as we question the way the awards are presented by school representatives.
Indeed, the awards should be announced in both Spanish and English to give immigrant parents the pride they so deserve and MORE IMPORTANTLY to allow the rest of the community the knowledge of what they are clapping about. One community!
As a footnote, let's view the glass as half full, believing that there are many immigrants in our country, who are currently trying to master the English language and are not deliberately resisting it. They will learn as they watch their own children succeed in life that they, too, must become true Americans and speak our language to be successful in our country.
Marc
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Post by guest on Apr 28, 2007 15:08:01 GMT -5
I am not offended that the children received their awards in Spanish only. The children are the ones that are taught at the school not the parents. No one should assume that these parents aren't trying to learn the English language. Imagine how they felt during the rest of the ceremony listening to everything in English and possibly not understanding most of it. Many of these families also came out to the Open Forum that was conducted in English just to show their support of the school district. They are taking an interest in their childrens' educations and that is a step in the right direction.
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Post by for sale signs on Apr 28, 2007 16:53:08 GMT -5
I am not offended that the children received their awards in Spanish only. The children are the ones that are taught at the school not the parents. No one should assume that these parents aren't trying to learn the English language. Imagine how they felt during the rest of the ceremony listening to everything in English and possibly not understanding most of it. Many of these families also came out to the Open Forum that was conducted in English just to show their support of the school district. They are taking an interest in their childrens' educations and that is a step in the right direction. Clearly you do not have high expectation if you are not offended by the lose of art, music Library, while your child is required to learn Spanish. Sorry that the third world overruning an american education system does not offend you. |
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Apr 29, 2007 0:32:30 GMT -5
I am not offended that the children received their awards in Spanish only. The children are the ones that are taught at the school not the parents. No one should assume that these parents aren't trying to learn the English language. Imagine how they felt during the rest of the ceremony listening to everything in English and possibly not understanding most of it. Many of these families also came out to the Open Forum that was conducted in English just to show their support of the school district. They are taking an interest in their childrens' educations and that is a step in the right direction. Guest...Our BOE has grant money that supports Night ESL Class for adults. Night classes for French was offered too, but enrollment was nonexistent. What English only "OPEN FORUM" are you talking about? |
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Post by guest on Apr 29, 2007 8:35:06 GMT -5
The English only Open Forum I am talking about took place on March 20th and was attended by a large number of hispanic families. You only needed to look around the room to see this.
Why do you feel that you need to put words in my mouth? How do you know my feelings about the loss of art and music? I can be as upset about those things as you are but not feel that the only factor contributing to that situation is the number of hispanic children attending the schools. I am able to see each issue for what it is. Everyone seems to think that so much money is spent on educating ELL students. Has anyone looked into exactly how much of the budget is spent on those programs? Has anyone compared those costs to the costs of educating special education students. Not that I want to pit one group against the other but I think that everything needs to be looked at as a part of the whole picture. Keep it all in perspective. Neither of these groups of students would be a problem if the Federal and State governments funded them the way that they said they would.
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Post by for sales signs on Apr 29, 2007 12:01:43 GMT -5
The English only Open Forum I am talking about took place on March 20th and was attended by a large number of hispanic families. You only needed to look around the room to see this. Why do you feel that you need to put words in my mouth? How do you know my feelings about the loss of art and music? I can be as upset about those things as you are but not feel that the only factor contributing to that situation is the number of hispanic children attending the schools. I am able to see each issue for what it is. Everyone seems to think that so much money is spent on educating ELL students. Has anyone looked into exactly how much of the budget is spent on those programs? Has anyone compared those costs to the costs of educating special education students. Not that I want to pit one group against the other but I think that everything needs to be looked at as a part of the whole picture. Keep it all in perspective. Neither of these groups of students would be a problem if the Federal and State governments funded them the way that they said they would. Its easy to claim someone puts "words in my mouth", so defensive when you are challenged by facts. Your feelings about the loss of art and music are lost with your insensible comprehension of what is addressed in this tread. Public Schools awards should be presented in our native language, same as report cards, and commencement ceremonies. Your bleeding hart will disagree. During the English only Open Forum, any hispanic speak at the address the room? If not, the attendance you talk of, proves to be a token showing. There were a number of Translators in the room, yet not one coment asking for state funding. You call this a distinguished, motivated display of support. Everyone knows there was a very small hispanic turnout, proof that there is no interest in assimilation. Your reasoning is flawed. Most parents, like me, do agree with Fiber. Sorry, you can not convince anyone. Like all imagrants, if you are committed to live in here, work here, send you childern to school here, to have a life here...make an effort to speak the native language here. From your dowdy, hackneyed chatter, you will continue making excuses and stray off topic, your comfort zone. The Federal and State government conduct business in English. Please stop confusing use of language with the undocumented residents problem. The Congressional Metal of Honor is presented in ENGLISH! Lets hope that these parents in question, will have English comprehension in time for these bambino's to receive one such award. |
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Post by unwelcome guest on Apr 29, 2007 13:09:33 GMT -5
The Congressional Metal of Honor is presented in ENGLISH! A metal medal awarded for mettle? Ecce homonym! |
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Apr 29, 2007 16:34:39 GMT -5
Actually, unwelcome, you are partially correct: "Metal" and "mettle" are homonyms. "Medal" is not in this instance. I thought Cavemen and Neanderthals where Homonyms...Ugghh (BTW, the first spoken word...) So were is MY English METAL? Ohh and please announce it in English, not in Caveman ;D |
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Post by guest on Apr 29, 2007 18:54:29 GMT -5
have you been to DMV lately, everthing is in spanish ;D
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Post by for sale sign on Apr 29, 2007 20:11:08 GMT -5
have you been to DMV lately, everthing is in spanish ;D I pegged you earlier, making excuses and stray off topic, it is your comfort zone, who's talking about DMV? Have you been to a Voting Booth lately? I remember everything is in English. Whats printed on our currency, ENGLISH, except for E PLURIBUS UNUM, "Many Uniting Into One". Summing this up into one word...ASSIMILATION.   |
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Post by Press 1 for English on Apr 30, 2007 12:10:23 GMT -5
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Post by angry guest on Apr 30, 2007 12:44:03 GMT -5
Press 1 for English...I have to call you out on this right away...you did not stay on For Sale Sign's topic...he clearly said that when you go to a voting booth... never did he mention voter registration forms...perhaps your English is not so good either? As Fiber said...the schools aparently offer a program at night...perhaps there's a spot for you? |
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Post by Press 1 for English on Apr 30, 2007 14:19:57 GMT -5
Angry
Check out the absentee ballot request info, it is in spanish. I bet if you fill out the form, the ballot comes back in Spanish...
>> Absentee Ballot Application (18k pdf) PDF plugin
>> Solicitud De Boleta De Votación Un Cidudadano Ausente
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