Updated Roster 9/24/07

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Committee Chair Rev. Frederick Parrish

Frank Argote Freyre

Annette Jordan

James Keelan

Carol Lida

Rev. Andre MC Guire

Sheryl Mott

Cecilia Reynolds

Ricky White

Juan Reyes

Council Liason Jaye Simms

Police Department Liaison Ronnie Steppat

[richardkelsey]

admin said:

Committee Chair Rev. Frederick Parrish

Frank Argote Freyre

Annette Jordan

James Keelan

Carol Lida

Rev. Andre MC Guire

Sheryl Mott

Cecilia Reynolds

Ricky White

Juan Reyes

Council Liason Jaye Simms

Police Department Liaison Ronnie Steppat

Here's an interesting question? Does the Council require proof of lawful U.S. residency before appointing people to any town Committee?

I also wonder if everyone on a committee must be a "resident" of the Borough.

Anyway -- in Towns where illegal immigration has been persistent for long periods of time -- this seems like a good policy to enact to insure -- where possible -- that those here illegally are not trying to improperly influence or gain political power through appointments.

[Libyan Sibyl]

Committee Chair Rev. Frederick Parrish: Priest in Freehold Township. resident of Howell???

Frank Argote Freyre: illegal alien activist (allegedly invited the people here who ultimately brought the lawsuit several years ago). resident

Annette Jordan: member Freehold Borough Board of Ed; resident

James Keelan: Freehold Borough Board of Ed; resident

Carol Lida: school teacher, allegedly considered for the seat that Sims sits in now. resident

Rev. Andre McGuire: activist minister, supports illegal aliens. Non-resident.

Sheryl Mott: chairwoman of the borough’s recreation commission; member of planning board. borough resident

Cecilia Reynolds: editor of spanish newspaper, active on behalf of illegals (who had the good sense to distance herself from the lawsuit. residence?

Ricky White: Good friend of Rev. McGuire.; resident of borough, ran for Bd of Ed.

Juan Reyes: resident of Howell with questionable U.S. residency status?

Council Liason Jaye Simms

Police Department Liaison Ronnie Steppat

[Libyan Sibyl]

libyansybil said:

Juan Reyes: resident of Howell with questionable U.S. residency status?

Oh yeah, did I forget... someone is allegedly a member of Casa Freehold...

[richardkelsey]

libyansybil said:

libyansybil said:

Juan Reyes: resident of Howell with questionable U.S. residency status?

Oh yeah, did I forget... someone is allegedly a member of Casa Freehold...

If lawful Borough Residency is NOT a requirement to sit on the Committee -- which seems unreal -- then I would be delighted to serve.

(My mom would love a committment from me to visit regularly each month)

Please accept my application to join.

[cloris]

libyansybil said:

libyansybil said:

Juan Reyes: resident of Howell with questionable U.S. residency status?

Oh yeah, did I forget... someone is allegedly a member of Casa Freehold...

Where do you get this info from? These are some serious allegations from you. Can you back up that the Mayor put an illegal alien from Casa Freehold who does not even live here on a committee?

That is absurd and either you are making things up or our town government has quite a few loose screws.

If it is true, we really need Ted Miller back and more than republican Joe to run.

[stffgpr2003]

While I might agree that in almost all other cases, only those here - legally - should serve, I do think that a committee like Human Relations is not well assembled without having someone from INSIDE a 3000+ community of mostly illegal residents to represent it. I'd rather have one helpful illegal immigrant on that commity rather than a single destructive legal advocate, to be very honest.

And...by the way...I know nothing about Juan's immigration status. I don't even know the man, personally, but I have heard he is a decent fellow.

Marc

[fiberisgoodforyou]

geo said:

Thanks for the update on the "cast" of the Human Relations Committee. All Boro committees and boards should have the same set of ethics and qualifications; including being a legal resident of the Boro.

I am on the planning board and have to fill out a state mandated financial disclosure statement. So do other boards.

*I have to list sources of income in excess of $2,000 for my wife and I.

*My wife and I have to list sources of fees from speeches, personal appearances or writing in excess of $250.

*My wife and I have to list each gift, reimbursement or prepaid expense exceeding $400.

*My wife and I have to list all business organizations in which an interest was held.

*My wife and I have to list the address of all real property in the State of NJ.

...and if I lie I am subject to fines and possible disciplinary action. N.J.S.A. 40A:9-22.1 et seq.

What do the folks at the Human Relations committee have to fill out? Don't like the fact that I am held to a much higher standard than other committees. I think that it is in the "publics best interest" to see that the Local Government Ethics Law is applied to everyone.

For instance, do we know if any member of the Human Relations Committee is a paid lobbyist?

"For instance, do we know if any member of the Human Relations Committee is a paid lobbyist?"

Would this include ad-hoc committees to, like the Rental Advisory?

[admin]

Geo,

Members of the human relations committee do have to fill out the financial disclosure form that you mention.

[Libyan Sibyl]

Holmdel mayor's pick for board "null and void"

Vacancy was not advertised properly
Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 09/25/07
BY SAMETTA M. THOMPSON
KEYPORT BUREAU

HOLMDEL — Days after Mayor Serena DiMaso named her 2007 running mate for Township Committee Gerald Allocco as an alternate member of the Planning Board, the appointment was rescinded because it did not comply with the township Civic Responsibility Act.

Committeeman Larry Fink told DiMaso during a meeting Thursday that because the position was not advertised by the municipal clerk on the bulletin board in town hall and the township Web site and not announced in a news release to local newspapers, Allocco's appointment should be declared "null and void." Fink called for the position to be properly posted to give all residents an equal chance to show interest.

DiMaso said Township Clerk Maureen Doloughty said she made an error and apologized for not following the ordinance.

"Ms. Doloughty works hard for us," DiMaso said. "It's just something that fell through the crack. Right now we are doing what the ordinance says."

The issue arose at the Sept. 6 committee meeting when DiMaso announced she was appointing Allocco, a mechanic for Monmouth County. During that meeting, Fink questioned the move, saying that the first time he'd heard about the vacancy existing was when he received the agenda for the meeting.

According to the civic responsibility ordinance, a vacancy must be posted in three different places, and it cannot be filled for 30 days from the initial posting. It was posted on the Web site Sept. 11.

The measure was adopted in 2005 when Fink served as mayor.

"The whole idea is to foster open government and to encourage citizens to participate," said Fink.

At the meeting Thursday, Fink requested that the ordinance be amended to require the clerk to inform all committee members when there is an opening for appointed positions.

"I think it's only right for all of us to know when vacancies occur since we are all peers," said Fink, the only Democrat on the committee.

DiMaso said she originally was informed of the vacancy by telephone but failed to tell her colleagues. She rejected Fink's idea of changing the ordinance because, she said, it is a waste of time and taxpayer money. Instead, DiMaso said, a policy will be put into place that says the clerk will send out an e-mail to all committee members when there is a vacancy in an appointive position.

The vacancy is the unexpired term of Victor Giamanco, who resigned as an alternate member of the planning board in July; the term expires at the end of the year.

Allocco declined to comment on the matter.

www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070925/NEWS01/709250336/1004/

[Libyan Sibyl]

www.nj.gov/opra/

[admin]

geo said:

Brian,

Someone needs to take a hard look at those forms. Wonder if they are open to the public?

I think the use of that financial disclosure form negates the rumor that an illegal alien could sit on any committee. For that person to fill it out would require an admission to fraud.

[Libyan Sibyl]

admin said:

geo said:

Brian,

Someone needs to take a hard look at those forms. Wonder if they are open to the public?

I think the use of that financial disclosure form negates the rumor that an illegal alien could sit on any committee. For that person to fill it out would require an admission to fraud.

haha. you're funny Brian.

[richardkelsey]

stffgpr2003 said:

Here's an interesting question? Does the Council require proof of lawful U.S. residency before appointing people to any town Committee?

I also wonder if everyone on a committee must be a "resident" of the Borough.

I'll take the second question first. Not all committees require Borough residency. Some do, though. Often, certain kinds of expertise is needed and is rare (ex: HPC) - especially in a small town like ours.

Also, there are some great people, who do business here (pay taxes), but live elsewhere. Depending on the specific committee, there can be a place for them at the table and a role for them to play. There are also some special people, like Calliope, who just love Freehold Borough. I think they bring a needed "outside perspective" with them that benefits all of us.

As for proof of lawful residency. That one deserves some additional thought. I don't think we have any other examples of possible illegal immigrants on our committees. While I might agree that in almost all other cases, only those here - legally - should serve, I do think that a committee like Human Relations is not well assembled without having someone from INSIDE a 3000+ community of mostly illegal residents to represent it. I'd rather have one helpful illegal immigrant on that commity rather than a single destructive legal advocate, to be very honest.

Remember what the purpose of the human relations committee is - to work towards better relations with all groups in our town. They don't set town policy - they only assist with community relations. We need to communicate more with the immigrant community and ignore them less, if we want a better quality of life in Freehold Borough for all of us. They need to do the same, by the way. This should be Jaun's charge - to faciliate this.

It's worth considering this one, further, though. I suppose if we DID require proof of residency, we'd have to have everyone prove this, not just the people we suspect to be illegal.

Marc

I have no idea if anyone is serving that is here illegally -- but I agree that any rule on legal presence would have to apply to all prospective candidates.

Now -- I think that if someone is sitting on the HRC who is an illegal alien -- the Borough has lost site of its collective minds. (assuming someone knew the status)

Once the Borough has legitimized immigration through a Mayoral appointment and Council concurrence -- I think you have officially surrendered.

Saying one gets value from the perspective of an illegal that can't otherwise be obtained is just crazy -- in my view.

I certainly have no say in who gets appointed -- but I see no reason to give a seat at the political table to people outside Freehold! The whole purpose of NJ's little world of municipalities is to have local control. In my view -- that belongs with the people inside the Borough. (Of course -- I am not one of them -- so maybe the people of Freehold don't care.)

It does seem to me that excluding illegals from Mayoral appointments -- is a no brainer. I don't know if you have any -- but that seems like an easy issue.

[sonofsilencedogood]

stffgpr2003 said:

Here's an interesting question? Does the Council require proof of lawful U.S. residency before appointing people to any town Committee?

I also wonder if everyone on a committee must be a "resident" of the Borough.

I'll take the second question first. Not all committees require Borough residency. Some do, though. Often, certain kinds of expertise is needed and is rare (ex: HPC) - especially in a small town like ours.

Also, there are some great people, who do business here [/b](pay taxes), but live elsewhere. Depending on the specific committee, there can be a place for them at the table and a role for them to play. There are also some special people, like Calliope, who just love Freehold Borough. I think they bring a needed "outside perspective" with them that benefits all of us.

As for proof of lawful residency. That one deserves some additional thought. I don't think we have any other examples of possible illegal immigrants on our committees. While I might agree that in almost all other cases, only those here - legally - should serve, I do think that a committee like Human Relations is not well assembled without having someone from INSIDE a 3000+ community of mostly illegal residents to represent it. I'd rather have one helpful illegal immigrant on that commity rather than a single destructive legal advocate, to be very honest.

Remember what the purpose of the human relations committee is - to work towards better relations with all groups in our town. They don't set town policy - they only assist with community relations. We need to communicate more with the immigrant community and ignore them less, if we want a better quality of life in Freehold Borough for all of us. They need to do the same, by the way. This should be Jaun's charge - to faciliate this.

It's worth considering this one, further, though. I suppose if we DID require proof of residency, we'd have to have everyone prove this, not just the people we suspect to be illegal.

Marc

I have to point out a couple of faults I find with your statement Mr Levine...

While I agree that good people who do business and pay taxes here in town deserve a voice on such a committee, Churches (last time I checked) do not pay taxes to the town, so why the need to allow 2 different Reverends who do not live in town on the committee? And especially to have a non-Freehold Boro resident, who doesn't pay taxes to Freehold Boro as the Committee Chair??? That's downright embarrassing!!

Next, I couldn't help but notice that finally someone from our local government has admitted that we have several thousand illegal aliens living within our town (intentional or not, I can't remember a public statement by anyone else on the Council in regards to this high number). So now that you've admitted to the problem...what are you going to do about it? Oh that's right...illegal immigration is a Federal issue...let's not get into that debate again - 287g - alright...now I'm done.

Getting back to my point...if you're saying that we need someone with ties to that community on the committee, do we not already have that with people like Mr Freyre, Rev Parrish, and Rev McGuire??? In fact, from looking at the panel, I would have to say that the people in town who are opposed to allowing the illegal immigrants to stay here in our town, are the ones who are not properly represented on this committee. Tell me...what are we going to do about that???

We definitely need some new faces on the Town Council, because the majority of the faces there now are certainly sympathetic to the illegal community, and with the suggestions coming from a committee that also heavily favors the illegal community...I am petrified of the ordinances and other policies that will be adopted as a result of this very one sided process.

[stffgpr2003]

have to point out a couple of faults I find with your statement Mr Levine...

While I agree that good people who do business and pay taxes here in town deserve a voice on such a committee, Churches (last time I checked) do not pay taxes to the town, so why the need to allow 2 different Reverends who do not live in town on the committee? And especially to have a non-Freehold Boro resident, who doesn't pay taxes to Freehold Boro as the Committee Chair??? That's downright embarrassing!!

Next, I couldn't help but notice that finally someone from our local government has admitted that we have several thousand illegal aliens living within our town (intentional or not, I can't remember a public statement by anyone else on the Council in regards to this high number). So now that you've admitted to the problem...what are you going to do about it? Oh that's right...illegal immigration is a Federal issue...let's not get into that debate again - 287g - alright...now I'm done.

Getting back to my point...if you're saying that we need someone with ties to that community on the committee, do we not already have that with people like Mr Freyre, Rev Parrish, and Rev McGuire??? In fact, from looking at the panel, I would have to say that the people in town who are opposed to allowing the illegal immigrants to stay here in our town, are the ones who are not properly represented on this committee. Tell me...what are we going to do about that???

We definitely need some new faces on the Town Council, because the majority of the faces there now are certainly sympathetic to the illegal community, and with the suggestions coming from a committee that also heavily favors the illegal community...I am petrified of the ordinances and other policies that will be adopted as a result of this very one sided process.

Welcome back. It's been awhile.

Some of the HR Committee members even predate my appointment to the committee, when it was founded. Many have served well over the years.

Houses of worship are very important representatives on an HR Committee and the clergy do not always live in the same town as their flock. Some of the clergy you mention represent our African American and Jewish Communities (Rabbi Green). But you already know that. Your particular anger relates to Rev. Andre McGuire/Rev. Ricky Pierce remaining on the committee. They did and still do represent one of the larger African American churches in town. Reverend Parrish, represents another.

I may disagree with Rev McGuire's and Rev Pierce's stance on illegal immigration, but they come at the problem from the church's viewpoint. Even Rabbi Green comes with similar views. St. Rose, too. Rev. Parrish has never been outspoken on the illegal immigration issue - one way or another - when we served, together. I'm sure the entire religious body in America supports people over their legal status. But, that view does not effect government policy in FB.

I can't think of any ordinances we've proposed that were impacted by the Human Resources Committee. They are more of a dispute resolution body than a driver of municipal policy.

The Mayor appointed these clergy on HR, because of their original community involvements at a time just before the immigration issue heated up in town. We've had other clergy on the board over the years like Mirna Bethke and others. They moved on for one reason or another.

Do you drop clergy from an HR committee and ignore their principle representation because you disagree with their views on immigration? Especially, when almost every religious institution in America is in agreement with them on this issue? I don 't think so. If their flocks/congregations don't want them to lead their houses of worship any longer, based on their views on illegal immigration, then they need to make the first move and let the town know. Meanwhile, they still represent their primary communities and belong on HR.

The number of illegal immigrants in town has always been speculated on by the media. They say there are over 15,000 illegal immigrants in Lakewood. Who really knows for sure?

I'm not sure anyone can confirm the real number of illegals anyplace or in any way. I'm admiting nothing - just using that figure as the one that has been bandied around from time to time over the years. Anyway, it's no surprise to anyone that there are many such people in our town. The advocates, long ago, dropped their old retort to that question - "how do you know they are illegal?" They now acknowledge them being here, too. But, they can only estimate on those numbers, no better than others can.

If you read the recent newspapers, you'll know that Mayor Wilson has taken the lead on calling for 287g in town and in the county. Discussions are already taking place with the County Police Chiefs, the County Prosecuotr and Sheriff and our own Chief Roth. The Mayor stated all this at a council meeting and sent letters to the newspapers to back up his request.

No one that I serve with on Council supports illegal immigration. With 287g now on the table what else do you want Freehold Borough to do short of rounding up the immigrants ourselves - which no one can do. What are other towns throughout the entire country doing that Freehold is not - besides losing even more expensive lawsuits than we settled? What would you do? It's easy to talk.


Marc

[Libyan Sibyl]

Sure we can make a distinction between committees, boards, etc. between the ones that help set policy, ordinances, etc. and those that have no role in the government. The PR committee has no govt role; athletics have no role in government, but the Human Relations committee formally proposes policy and ordinances.

Andre McGuire is a very nice gentleman. He served his conscience by letting the illegals congregate on his property. Debatable whether this slap on the face of the mayor was really a hard or soft slap. However, when Marc was appointed to council, the Rev. McGuire decided to not use the Human Relations committee - never bringing up the issue, and went straight to the press and the NAACP to protest the apparent lack of minorities in the Freehold Borough government. That was how many years ago, 2 or 3. And he still sits on this committee. A committee that was specifically designed to address race relations. Who else was on that committee at that time and was part of that debacle? I don't remember. Was the Rev.'s right hand man, Ricky White? Frank Freyre? I tell you these gentleman were part of that debacle, and if they weren't part of that committee, they certainly knew of the role of that committee and did not use it but instead played the issue before the media. This, IMO, disqualifies them.

Again, Mr. Freyre was part of another committee: Rental. He again went around the committee and went straight to the media to voice his dissatisfaction with the committee. Again, outside people were called into town, and lawyers got involved with the rental inspections. This disqualifies him from being a helpful member of any committee. While Mr. Freyre may be a very nice person, his actions prevent him from being a useful and reliable member of any committee.

If a member of any committee is a member of a illegal alien protesting group. I would think this disqualifies them from certain positions as it is against the interests of the town. What expertise does Mr. Juan Reyes, a resident of Howell bring to the table that another hispanic from this town doesn't have?

A reverend whose house of worship is in the township and who lives in Howell does not seem like a good candidate either. What expertise does he bring to the table that a resident doesn't have?

Celia Reynolds seems like a decent person. She had the sense to distance herself from the suit. I don't know her residence, and assume for purposes of this argument that she is out of town. If so, out of the 4000 hispanics isn't there at least one hispanic leader who lives in this town?

Isn't this a concern for the residents? Why are there some many activists on this board, instead of regular people? Why would you put illegal alien activists on a board that recommends policy (that the mayor and council have spoken out against)?

You say they "represent communities" - how can you adequately represent a community in which you do not live? how can someone adequately serve on a board when they failed to use the board when the so-called need arose? It boggles my mind that some of these people are on this policy recommending committee? And the ability to just recommend policy is a very powerful tool to an activist.

BOROUGH ORDINANCE 2.92.040
FUNCTIONS AND DUTIES

The human relations advisory committee shall act in an advisory capacity to the mayor and council of the borough and shall attempt to foster, through community effort or otherwise, goodwill cooperation and conciliation among the groups and elements of the inhabitants of the community. They shall make recommendations to the mayor and borough council for the development of policies and procedures in general and for programs of formal and informal education that will aid and eliminate all types of discrimination based on, but not limited to, race, creed, color, national origin, ancestry or age.

The human relations advisory committee shall, in conjunction with and in cooperation with other borough departments and state and federal agencies, develop programs that will promote the health, education, welfare, employment, economics, recreation and the total prosperity of Freehold Borough.

The human relations advisory committee shall perform other review and investigations that are requested by the mayor and/or the borough council.

[stffgpr2003]

Frank McGuire

LOL!!! Andre McGuire...not the late, former South Carolina Gamecock's B-Ball coach! Sorry.

[adefonzo]

Well...while I'm perusing around the site...I might as well chime in here as well...

First of all, I have to admit that I don't recognize several names on the list of committee members (testimate to the fact that I am obviously not as involved as I would like to be in my town), but there are a few familiar names on there and I am glad to see some of them on the committee.

While this committee may have a history of simple dispute resolution, it appears that the letter of the law allows them the ability to indeed suggest public policy. I am sure Marc, that you realize that past history is not always a pre-curser for future behavior.

Let me be blunt...now that the town council is apparently looking into section 287g of the 1996 federal law (I am not about to spell out the whole title of that law), with a Human relations committee that is made up largely of advocates and sympathizers to the illegal community (though I am basing this on Libyan Sybil's post at the beginning of this thread - again, I don't know everyone on the list), it just seems to me that there may be some butting of heads in our very near future.

Don't get me wrong...I am a staunch supporter of butting heads over topics...so long as it is done in a civil manner. Debate is healthy...talking through issues is healthy...but when you look at the normal tactics of the illegal immigrant advocates, it usually involves all out attacks (often times vicious attacks) on those who are trying to make change, rather than sitting down and trying to work out a solution to the issue.

Then again, with any luck, perhaps (as I said before) history will not be an indicator of future acts.

[novillero]

stffgpr2003 said:

There is also balance on the committee (unfortunately, Brian represented some of the balance, but he resigned).

Why did Brian resign, wasn't he just recently appointed?

[admin]

novillero said:

stffgpr2003 said:

There is also balance on the committee (unfortunately, Brian represented some of the balance, but he resigned).

Why did Brian resign, wasn't he just recently appointed?

Actually, I am quite unbalanced. ;D I resigned for a number of reasons.

[novillero]

admin said:

novillero said:

Why did Brian resign, wasn't he just recently appointed?

Actually, I am quite unbalanced. ;D I resigned for a number of reasons.

Oh... so you must've resigned from the CIC then too.

[admin]

novillero said:

admin said:

Actually, I am quite unbalanced. ;D I resigned for a number of reasons.

Oh... so you must've resigned from the CIC then too.

Novillero,

I am still on CIC and intend on staying. Being one of the people who pushed for it, there is no way I plan on going anywhere.

As far as the human relations is concerned, I do have to say a couple of things. First, I had no idea that Rev. Parrish does not live here. I knew about a couple of the others being from out of town.


I will tell all of you, the HRC is a good group of people. Cheryl Mott, Carol Lida, Rev. Parrish, Ricky White, Celia Reynolds and the rest do care about doing some good for the town. I never sat on committee with Juan Reyes, I resigned before he went to any meetings. They would all love to see more of our town show an interest in that committee and would welcome any visitors to the meeting.

With that said, they are a bit of a struggling committee. Three months in a row had canceled meetings. Granted, that was in the summer when many similar organizations do the same thing.

[novillero]

admin said:

I never sat on committee with Juan Reyes, I resigned before he went to any meetings.

Oh, which meeting did he finally show up at?

[admin]

novillero said:

admin said:

I never sat on committee with Juan Reyes, I resigned before he went to any meetings.

Oh, which meeting did he finally show up at?

I have no idea, he is new and I am gone.

[novillero]

Well, the mayor reads this site, perhaps he can take the time to respond.

[Libyan Sibyl]

Your answer is here:

freeholdvoice.proboards46.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=humanrelation&thread=1175727102&page=2

[Libyan Sibyl]

from post, freeholdvoice.proboards46.com/index.cgi?board=humanrelation&action=display&thread=1165347320:

Marc Levine wrote:

Those that might be considered advocates are Frank Freyre, Cecilia Reynolds and, perhaps, Andre McGuire.

...

But, the Mayor decides on all appointments. You should write him about your displeasure (with the appointees) and your own interest (in replacing them).

Marc

Brian wrote:

Marc, you mention some very negative traits about Frank. That alone should warrant his expulsion from the HRC. There should, be no need to wait for letters.

Cecilia? You mention she is press. That automatically gets me worried. How fair is her paper? Do they express differing views? or do they just say that Freehold is racist? She should be an asset, but......

And Andre. Is he not the good rev? I have heard good things about him. Although I have not always appreciated what I see in the papers, I will not criticize a man of the cloth who tries to help and feed the poor. That is what a church should do.

Now, who represents the Americans on the HRC? any PEOPLE supporters there?

Marc Levine wrote:

Quote:Cecilia? You mention she is press. That automatically gets me worried. How fair is her paper? Do they express differing views? or do they just say that Freehold is racist? She should be an asset, but......

I can read Spanish fairly well and what I see in her paper is usually translations of articles from the News Transcript and Asbury Park Press. I haven't seen nor heard of much or any negative commentary about the town from her in Nosotros. Her challenge has always been regaining her role as advocate "Top Dog" in Freehold. The other advocates rolled over her soon after they arrived...Frank, Mahonry Hidalgo, Virginia McGlone, etc.

Quote:And Andre. Is he not the good rev? I have heard good things about him. Although I have not always appreciated what I see in the papers, I will not criticize a man of the cloth who tries to help and feed the poor. That is what a church should do.



Yes. I agree with that aspect of it. However, the advocates have "used" him and his church as they try to tie the illegal immigration issue to the civil rights movement.

They "empowered" him and hoped he'd win a council seat and bring support for the illegal immigrant community to the council table. Andre happens to be a decent man, I think. I'm afraid he was made promises of increased church membership, greater community standing, possibly more funding, etc. The advocates desperately needed local faces to press their cause so they rounded up Rev. McGuire, Tom Baldwin, Rev. Vanderbunte (gone) and Steve Richter (moved away) to relieve all the outsiders they originally sent to town when the muster zone issue hit.

from freeholdvoice.proboards46.com/index.cgi?board=humanrelation&action=display&thread=1161698955

Brian wrote:

As far as the advocates like Celia and Frank F, I have rarely agreed with anything I have read about them. I like what Marc wrote about Frank being a good person to drink a beer with. That highlights an point I hold myself to. It is one thing to disagree with some one, another to have ill will toward them, The optimist in me wants to believe that all people are good, even the ones that are different or we disagree with.

In thread freeholdvoice.proboards46.com/index.cgi?board=humanrelation&action=display&thread=1175727102

Richard Kelsey wrote:

Most of the real players in this game are nameless. They reside outside Freehold, and they work in concert with FF and his allies to advance an agenda. The foot-soilders you often see at these protests are pawns -- most of whom lack the intellectual capital to understand the very issues they protest. If Freehold were a New Years eve party -- they would be the noise makers. They make sound without meaning -- and require someone else's action to get them started.

Brian wrote:

2. Frank Argote Freyre suggested that a Day Laborer be appointed to the Human Relations Committee. This idea should have been forwarded to the Mayor via Council liaison Sims.

Marc Levine wrote:

A new appointee from the immigrant community? Sure. It makes perfect sense. We MUST dialog with the immigrant community and encourage them to seek out new leaders from within. This is the ONLY way the town will develop a mutual understanding with the folks.

please return to the rest of this thread: freeholdvoice.proboards46.com/index.cgi?board=humanrelation&action=display&thread=1175727102
Particularly the comments of Fiber and Hawkeye.

[Libyan Sibyl]

doesn't the reporters from the News Transcript read this board?

hello... since the mayor won't answer, maybe a nice news story may prompt an answer...

feel free to quote all of his tough talk at the end of meetings (when no one can respond) and his tough sounding letters.

p.s. people, how many legal citizens would you guess are day laborers like the one appoint to the HRC?