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Post by admin on Dec 20, 2006 17:44:42 GMT -5
I sent the following to Mayor Wilson in reference to recent comments printed in the News transcript. I highly recommend that all readers do the same, as well as write to the News transcript to show some positive support for our town and the people who are on our side.
To Mayor Wilson,
I am outraged at the recent comments that I read in the News Transcript from Frank Freyer and Tom Baldwin. With the law suit behind us, I find their tone to be abhorrent and decisive. It is time for our town to circle the wagons. I know that Baldwin is a citizen, but I understated that Frank Freyer serves on one or two boards in our town.
I would like to use the word demand because it is strong, but I am in no position to demand anything from any one. Instead, I am respectfully asking you to remove Frank from all boards he may serve on. Freehold cannot afford self serving individuals like him. Our name is constantly dragged through the mud because of hateful lies like the ones we saw in the paper. Our future will require people who can be respectful and look out for our town in it's entirety.
If there is anything I can do to help, please do not hesitate to ask.
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Post by Guest on Dec 20, 2006 20:15:16 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]If there is anything I can do to help, please do not hesitate to ask.[/glow]
What would you like to do Brian, take him on in a dark alleyway, and give him a beating?
Did this article really upset you that much? Could it be that truth hurts? I didn't see anything in the article that was offensive, true yes, offensive no. If this little town called Freehold Borough wants to sweep its demons under the rug and pretend they are not there well than this article would upset me too, but if we want the truth to come out and everyone to be treated fairly in a town that really doesn't have a very good record on Civil Rights, recently nor in the past as several long-time residents and members of the African Americans have expressed, then this article is a good start.
You and I know that these inspections are a farce and a sham for no other purpose then to intimidate the hard working Latino and African American communities of FB, which happens to be the highest percentage of renters.
I find it interesting that you are “demanding,” ok, respectfully requesting the removal of an appointed person to these boards. Do you really think sitting on these boards is a worthwhile thing to do with anyone’s time? For the most part these are rubber-stamp boards of Mr. Wilson. If anything the Mayor, the townspeople, and you should be glad that there is some level of opposition or at least a different viewpoint being expressed. Or is this not the American way?
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Dec 20, 2006 21:05:05 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]If there is anything I can do to help, please do not hesitate to ask.[/glow] What would you like to do Brian, take him on in a dark alleyway, and give him a beating? Did this article really upset you that much? Could it be that truth hurts? I didn't see anything in the article that was offensive, true yes, offensive no. If this little town called Freehold Borough wants to sweep its demons under the rug and pretend they are not there well than this article would upset me too, but if we want the truth to come out and everyone to be treated fairly in a town that really doesn't have a very good record on Civil Rights, recently nor in the past as several long-time residents and members of the African Americans have expressed, then this article is a good start. You and I know that these inspections are a farce and a sham for no other purpose then to intimidate the hard working Latino and African American communities of FB, which happens to be the highest percentage of renters. I find it interesting that you are “demanding,” ok, respectfully requesting the removal of an appointed person to these boards. Do you really think sitting on these boards is a worthwhile thing to do with anyone’s time? For the most part these are rubber-stamp boards of Mr. Wilson. If anything the Mayor, the townspeople, and you should be glad that there is some level of opposition or at least a different viewpoint being expressed. Or is this not the American way?
"an appointed person" on a committee who's purpose is to help this Boro, yet this "an appointed person" end up being the lead torch bearer on the side of the plaintiff in a federal laws suite needs to be removed from the appointment.
Due to this "appointed person"'s clear agenda, the Mayor should weigh the actions and clear agenda of "an appointed person".
The mayor has EVERY right to consider the removal of "an appointed person", on behalf of the Boro's constituents, as well on his own accord if "an appointed person" is determined to be a LIABILITY to the boro, as well as the actuale committee to which he has been appointed. |
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Post by Guest on Dec 21, 2006 0:37:12 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]is determined to be a LIABILITY to the boro[/glow]
The only liability and source of embarrassment to the Boro is the current inept administration and its followers.
They are the ones who have put FB on the national front with their narrow-mindedness and unyielding attacks towards a group of people that has done nothing to them other then revive their downtown with a plethora of new thriving businesses, and cut their lawns and clean their leaves. People from all over the US, and even outside NOW know where Freehold, NJ is located. I used to travel and people had no idea where I was from, but now they tell me: Oh, you are from that racist town in central Jersey… and I say yes I’m, but it’s not so bad there, really, it isn’t. And they burst out laughing….
You want to remove a liability, get the opposition riled up and run a respectable candidate with a chance to wing against the current Mayor. Start running candidates against the various council people who for the most part run unopposed.
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Post by Guest on Dec 21, 2006 9:20:14 GMT -5
With all due respect, GUEST, you have it wrong. I find it quite difficult to believe that any person serving on the council, including the Mayor, has any agenda or ill will against any person of Hispanic or any other ethnicity. The whole issue is not about ethnicity -- it is about ensuring public health and safety. Overcrowding significantly raises risks of fire and other hazards, as one example. The Borough has the duty to ensure that its residents and businesses are existing in safe environments. ;D , really? I concur with your concerns with the public's health and safety. However the methods being used are suspicious because of past performance, if the FB government had not been so animate about displacing the Latino community in the past (and present) I would have been more prepared to accept it at face value.Regarding the removal of Mr. Freyre - I agree. Through his incisive commentary and actions, he pits himself as an adversary, rather than as a problem solver. He causes more problems rather than trying to resolve them fairly. He wastes time and energy. Forget Freyre, he is only one individual, who cares. The point I was trying to get across is that Mayor and Council only consider "problem solver" those who AGREE with them, if not they are considered "trouble makers" what kind of mentality is this? What makes them (you) think they have the absolute truth? Meanwhile, people must recognize that governing a municipality is a task comprised of multfarious responsibilities, not just one. Consider an elected official's totality of service before you condemn him or her based on only one of many issues. Multifarious responsibilities yes, but the judgment must be made on its homogeneous results for town’s people. This compendium of tasks should not be judged individually; rather the result of the whole is the true outcome of its performance. So, Guest, I am curious: you use descriptors: "inept" and "narrow-mindedness." I assume for the former you must have experience serving on a municipal council so that you can characterize the totality of service of Freehold Borough's governing body as 'inept?" And, for the second, which is completely subjective, I assume you know each council member personally and have gone to every single council meeting so that you can stand behind this sweeping character assessment? Don't need to have experience serving on a municipal council nor know each member personally to form an opinion on the performance of such a body. If we had a more competent government body they would be looking for a shift in strategy and begin to be more open to new ideas. Instead they continue to beat a dead horse. Once again I pose to you this question: How do you think those American citizens in K – 12 are going to feel about this administration when they graduate from college and come back to little old Freehold Borough to be civil servants? Do you think they are going to say ‘Oh well I understand why they were so prejudice again my parents and grandparents, I understand why they fought so hard to make their lives a living hell. Or do you think they are going to be a little bitter about the whole thing.
I suggest you take a look at other NJ towns that have gone thru a similar transition in the past couple of decades and take some notes on how to deal with such a change. Visit towns that have focused on inclusion of all its residents, not those that their focal point is on exclusion.Franko is that you behind the Guest Pass? Please |
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Dec 21, 2006 9:21:42 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]is determined to be a LIABILITY to the boro[/glow] The only liability and source of embarrassment to the Boro is the current inept administration and its followers. They are the ones who have put FB on the national front with their narrow-mindedness and unyielding attacks towards a group of people that has done nothing to them other then revive their downtown with a plethora of new thriving businesses, and cut their lawns and clean their leaves. People from all over the US, and even outside NOW know where Freehold, NJ is located. I used to travel and people had no idea where I was from, but now they tell me: Oh, you are from that racist town in central Jersey… and I say yes I’m, but it’s not so bad there, really, it isn’t. And they burst out laughing…. You want to remove a liability, get the opposition riled up and run a respectable candidate with a chance to wing against the current Mayor. Start running candidates against the various council people who for the most part run unopposed. " [/b] "Oh, you are from that racist town in central Jersey… and I say yes I’m, but it’s not so bad there, really, it isn’t. And they burst out laughing" I Travel too, about 200K air miles, and EVERYWHERE I go, I here utter revolution about how this Mexican invasion has hap pended, I am questioned over and over why this boro tolerates this invasion of interloping felons, I here this EVERYWHERE, when in California, Minn, Fla, Ga, Ohio, Mass, NC, etc...EVERYWHERE!!! [/[/b]i] As your post is read, the clearer you are seen as a true racist, tasteless, shameless, and immature baiting crumb. FRANKly the reason why the council does not, and will not have a LATINO face on it, is the simple fact that this LATINO population is MAINLY illegal interloping felons, not eligible to vote (thank god) represented by a hand full of Latino racists with an hidden unlawful anarchist agenda "cut their lawns and clean their leaves" lastly I cut my own lawn and clean up my own leaves as do MOST HOMEOWNERS in the Boro![/b][/color] Simply your an angery, baiting, dult, and I will Iggy you! |
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Post by Marc LeVine on Dec 21, 2006 11:40:57 GMT -5
I am all too familiar with this "guest's" writing style and, Brian, I think you hit the exact nerve you were aiming for or a closely associated one. My compliments to Calliope too, for calling this one right - she is so intuitive.
Hmmm...removal from a committee. I know how that one stings. In the past, Advocates wrote letters to the Mayor asking for my removal from Human Relations. At least, in my case, I knew where the dagger was coming from and it was expected -- AND, I wasn't insulted. However, in this case, average residents of the Borough are calling for Frank's head, because they see that he is nothing more than an " adversary, rather than as a problem solver. (who) causes more problems rather than trying to resolve them fairly. He wastes time and energy."
And... don't expect "this Guest" to look in the mirror or to begin to feel like the anti-American, which he/she really is. Oh, for sure, he/she thinks that he/she stands for Civil Rights, but he/she really represents all that is wrong with America, today. We've stopped standing up for ourselves and insisting that we are the top dogs and also demanding that our laws be enforced. Unfirtunately, this is no longer John Wayne's America, it is now Fredo Corleone's - stupid and weak. Mr. Bush - are we winning the war in Iraq? ...that's not what you told us last month...
Our "guest" was summoned by a conspiracy that considers America's kindness to be American's weakness. Their absurd mantra is that Freehold must suffer, so that Walmart can hire.
Sadly enough, if one hundred voices joined Brian in his call for Frank's removal, those 100 people would just be considered to be nothing more than additional followers of the Mayor and Council. The advocates will not see that, while the ranks of anti-illegal immigration have grown in our town (and throughout the US), over the years, there still remains only Freyre and Baldwin, minus Richter. No one else (from here), no one new. These people only want you to believe that they have a huge, silent following in our Borough. Have we seen any evidence of this in a town less than two square miles? Come on, we all talk to people, hear them in the supermarkets and at our places of worship.
We move on and slay our dragons. Folks go ahead and send your letters, wherever you want to. Do not be intimidated by this or other baiters, who will appear as your strength seems to grow. Know that there is no power on earth greater than resolve. And, fear not. America has always had a history if repairing itself, because its most patriotic people always seem to rise to their calling, just in the nick of time.
Marc
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Dec 21, 2006 13:06:49 GMT -5
I am all too familiar with this "guest's" writing style and, Brian, I think you hit the exact nerve you were aiming for or a closely associated one. My compliments to Calliope too, for calling this one right - she is so intuitive. Guest / Guest is a Master - Baiter worthy of an Iggy |
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Post by richardkelsey on Dec 21, 2006 16:57:08 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]is determined to be a LIABILITY to the boro[/glow] They are the ones who have put FB on the national front with their narrow-mindedness and unyielding attacks towards a group of people that has done nothing to them other then revive their downtown with a plethora of new thriving businesses, and cut their lawns and clean their leaves. People from all over the US, and even outside NOW know where Freehold, NJ is located. I used to travel and people had no idea where I was from, but now they tell me: Oh, you are from that racist town in central Jersey… and I say yes I’m, but it’s not so bad there, really, it isn’t. And they burst out laughing…. If I wrote untruths like this -- I would not use my name either. |
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Post by richardkelsey on Dec 21, 2006 17:10:21 GMT -5
I sent the following to Mayor Wilson in reference to recent comments printed in the News transcript. I highly recommend that all readers do the same, as well as write to the News transcript to show some positive support for our town and the people who are on our side.To Mayor Wilson, I am outraged at the recent comments that I read in the News Transcript from Frank Freyer and Tom Baldwin. With the law suit behind us, I find their tone to be abhorrent and decisive. It is time for our town to circle the wagons. I know that Baldwin is a citizen, but I understated that Frank Freyer serves on one or two boards in our town. I would like to use the word demand because it is strong, but I am in no position to demand anything from any one. Instead, I am respectfully asking you to remove Frank from all boards he may serve on. Freehold cannot afford self serving individuals like him. Our name is constantly dragged through the mud because of hateful lies like the ones we saw in the paper. Our future will require people who can be respectful and look out for our town in it's entirety. If there is anything I can do to help, please do not hesitate to ask. My view on "appointees" to Boards is that they should be the most qualified candidates, committed to working in a bi-partisan fashion for the best interest of the town. Unfortunately, they are often political appointees. They are appointed for the purpose of placating some group, or earning points with some other interest. This often leads Boards with agenda driven individuals who are neither qualified nor committed. Most towns have such unqualified and unhelpful people on Boards. They detract from positive action, and they act as a hindrance to attracting qualified Board members. What Mayor Wilson does with his appointments, as the longest serving mayor in New Jersey, is up to him. People trust him, and the voters return him regularly, often without opposition. If you do not like his appointments, Borough residents should tell him so. That is how the process works. For those who don't take the time to tell him, but moan anyway -- your complaints are hard to swallow. Democracy is a participation activity. If Mayor Wilson were flooded with letters calling for the removal of an appointee, I am sure he would give that call the appropriate consideration. Removing people from Boards just because they develop policy differences is not good government. However, removing people who are neither qualified, productive, or who act in a manner detrimental to the business of the Board and the Town, is prudent. It is a fine line sometimes. |
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Post by Marc LeVine on Dec 21, 2006 17:34:00 GMT -5
When Augie Daesener (Republican) and Roger Kane (Democrat) are invited to sit at the same table in a committee, the Mayor has proven his support of Bi-partisanship. There are many other similar examples I can site - including my past service on committee as a Republican and founder of PEOPLE.
When I served as a Republican on Council, Mike Wilson was never anything other than a fair gentlemen, who encouraged me to be myself and to vote my own convictions. This is why I accepted his invitation to return to council as a Democrat. It really doesn't matter, much, to this Mayor, WHAT you are. He is more concerned about WHO you are.
With Frank Fryre, I am confident the Mayor will do the right thing. Make your views known and leave the final decision to him. Whatever the final choice, it will be for good reason.
Marc
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Post by admin on Dec 21, 2006 17:38:30 GMT -5
I sent the following to Mayor Wilson in reference to recent comments printed in the News transcript. I highly recommend that all readers do the same, as well as write to the News transcript to show some positive support for our town and the people who are on our side.To Mayor Wilson, I am outraged at the recent comments that I read in the News Transcript from Frank Freyer and Tom Baldwin. With the law suit behind us, I find their tone to be abhorrent and decisive. It is time for our town to circle the wagons. I know that Baldwin is a citizen, but I understated that Frank Freyer serves on one or two boards in our town. I would like to use the word demand because it is strong, but I am in no position to demand anything from any one. Instead, I am respectfully asking you to remove Frank from all boards he may serve on. Freehold cannot afford self serving individuals like him. Our name is constantly dragged through the mud because of hateful lies like the ones we saw in the paper. Our future will require people who can be respectful and look out for our town in it's entirety. If there is anything I can do to help, please do not hesitate to ask. My view on "appointees" to Boards is that they should be the most qualified candidates, committed to working in a bi-partisan fashion for the best interest of the town. Unfortunately, they are often political appointees. They are appointed for the purpose of placating some group, or earning points with some other interest. This often leads Boards with agenda driven individuals who are neither qualified nor committed. Most towns have such unqualified and unhelpful people on Boards. They detract from positive action, and they act as a hindrance to attracting qualified Board members. What Mayor Wilson does with his appointments, as the longest serving mayor in New Jersey, is up to him. People trust him, and the voters return him regularly, often without opposition. If you do not like his appointments, Borough residents should tell him so. That is how the process works. For those who don't take the time to tell him, but moan anyway -- your complaints are hard to swallow. Democracy is a participation activity. If Mayor Wilson were flooded with letters calling for the removal of an appointee, I am sure he would give that call the appropriate consideration. Removing people from Boards just because they develop policy differences is not good government. However, removing people who are neither qualified, productive, or who act in a manner detrimental to the business of the Board and the Town, is prudent. It is a fine line sometimes. Richard, your points are very good. I will not disagree with you. From what I have heard, Frank F is a well educated person, which would indicate intelligence and quality. My basis for wanting him removed can be found in your post where you cited the concept of a bi-partisan interest in the town. All readers should take note, I have not, nor will I support the removal of any person due to disagreement alone, or because they represent a certain population. I do so because of conduct that is unbecoming of an appointed person. Frank is on the rental board. For him to go on the attack before the recommendations are released is wrong. For Frank or any person to say to the media that our town or it's elected officials are trying to get rid of Latinos is not only wrong but hateful. My concern is the image of this town and building a good future for all of our residents. Frank has demonstrated that he does not fit in with that good future. I am a very firm believer that we have many fences to mend in this town. That is the direct result of the selfish and hateful nature of the individuals who brought that nonsensical law suit. Many people in this town will have strong disagreements on many issues, that is good. But, I stand by my belief that this town will only move forward with a concerted effort to find common ground, instill respect, and put the past behind. We need people who can look at Freehold in it's entirety. Again, Frank Freyer has demonstrated, by his words, that he is not capable of doing the aforementioned. He needs to go. |
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Post by Marc LeVine on Dec 21, 2006 18:06:32 GMT -5
Since the lawsuit came to an end, the only people STILL doing ALL the trash talking are Freyre, Baldwin and the other advocates. They came out firing at their Latino festival, designed to bring people together. Aren't these were the same people who were encouraging the town to move on, a long time ago? Instead, they seek to pry victory from the jaws of stalemate, for the purpose of dragging the town through the mud.
Now, we're (town) talking about travelling to Maplewood to search for helpful solutions, while Frank is only interested in staying behind to lay traps for code enforcement and to defy Freehold's will in protecting itself from bad landlords and bad tenants.
Who really has the more noble intent and the best interest of ALL the residents of Freehold Borough in mind?
A committee member, with integrity, would have shared his related concerns with his fellow committee members. These people were working with the same issues as he. If Frank's "tenant complaint" issue came up in committee, I have no doubt that it would have been addressed, fairly. BUT, IT NEVER CAME UP. The reasons are very clear.
Marc
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Post by admin on Dec 21, 2006 18:54:24 GMT -5
With all due respect, GUEST, you have it wrong. I find it quite difficult to believe that any person serving on the council, including the Mayor, has any agenda or ill will against any person of Hispanic or any other ethnicity. The whole issue is not about ethnicity -- it is about ensuring public health and safety. Overcrowding significantly raises risks of fire and other hazards, as one example. The Borough has the duty to ensure that its residents and businesses are existing in safe environments. Regarding the removal of Mr. Freyre - I agree. Through his incisive commentary and actions, he pits himself as an adversary, rather than as a problem solver. He causes more problems rather than trying to resolve them fairly. He wastes time and energy. Meanwhile, people must recognize that governing a municipality is a task comprised of multfarious responsibilities, not just one. Consider an elected official's totality of service before you condemn him or her based on only one of many issues. So, Guest, I am curious: you use descriptors: "inept" and "narrow-mindedness." I assume for the former you must have experience serving on a municipal council so that you can characterize the totality of service of Freehold Borough's governing body as 'inept?" And, for the second, which is completely subjective, I assume you know each council member personally and have gone to every single council meeting so that you can stand behind this sweeping character assessment? Franko is that you behind the Guest Pass? Calliope, your responses in this thread are on the money. You have said what needs to be said. As far as the anonymous guest, do not bother with responding too much. In another post, Marc also picked out the writing style of this person very quickly and there is no value in entertaining those who are narrow minded and bigoted. Calliope, I know you are with me and the rest of the good people in our town in sharing the desire to move forward in a positive direction. Those who oppose us are nothing more than a fringe, radical element who will never be happy. The majority of this town is on our side. We will work with that for a better future in Freehold. |
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Post by richardkelsey on Nov 9, 2007 8:01:57 GMT -5
Regarding the removal of Mr. Freyre - I agree. Through his incisive commentary and actions, he pits himself as an adversary, rather than as a problem solver. He causes more problems rather than trying to resolve them fairly. He wastes time and energy. Here was Ms. Calliope before she became a mouthpiece for the man. Hmm, who appoints these people? |
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