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Post by Casual Reader on Apr 17, 2007 8:35:40 GMT -5
Hey Dudes and Dudettes -- how about coming up with our own dream team of candidates?
I think Councilman Levine dude is too modest -- he is definitely mayoral material. If anyone can take down the Wilson bunch it is him.
How about this team:
Mayor Marc Levine dude
Councilman Tom Baldwin or the Freydude
Councilman Kelso dude or Brian or Andrew DefOnzo dude
Call it the harmony team -- The advocates get a position -- the illegal immigrant bashers get a position and PEOPLE gets its fearless leader at the top.
How about we begin drafting this ticket now!!
Casually Political
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Post by admin on Apr 17, 2007 8:44:56 GMT -5
Hey Dudes and Dudettes -- how about coming up with our own dream team of candidates? I think Councilman Levine dude is too modest -- he is definitely mayoral material. If anyone can take down the Wilson bunch it is him. How about this team: Mayor Marc Levine dude Councilman Tom Baldwin or the Freydude Councilman Kelso dude or Brian or Andrew DefOnzo dude Call it the harmony team -- The advocates get a position -- the illegal immigrant bashers get a position and PEOPLE gets its fearless leader at the top. How about we begin drafting this ticket now!! Casually Political Must correct the Casual One, LeVine is not associated with PEOPLE any more than you are.. and... a strong government would not give any of the current illegal immigrant advocates any position at the table. That is one failing of the current Mayor. He has tried to reach out and give them a voice and all he has gotten is kicked in the teeth for it. It is a big mistake to reward bad behavior. It only encourages more. |
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Post by Marc LeVine on Apr 17, 2007 9:12:36 GMT -5
Andrew:
You are not totally incorrect in your assertions, but there are real reasons that not EVERY item considered by ANYONE of us is not always thrown up on this board or placed in the newspapers.
Let me start out by saying that the PEOPLE Board is not an official Freehold Borough Web Site and none of us on the Council or Board are compelled to participate on it. You and I choose to, while others may not.
Therefore, the thoughts and ideas of other Council and Board of Ed members, particularly if they liaison different committees (than we do), may be inappropriate for introduction by anyone other then themselves, at least, without their permission. And, they have a right to withhold permission until THEY are ready to unveil their proposal(s).
Secondly, the volume and ranking of ideas considered by us all is far too impressive to list, openly discuss or, sometimes, even remember. The most key items discussed, always come up in workshops and regular council meetings anyway, unless they require executive sessions. More on this, later.
We all must also consider the impact of unfinished or unrefined thoughts on others. As we say - think before you speak. There are ideas that we each have that, after some consideration, are totally inappropriate. They are just bad ideas. They really need nothing more than early dismissal.
We are elected to serve the people and the voters DO offer us a degree of freedom to use our good judgment. We need to communicate as much as we can and involve everyone in as much dialog, as possible. This is true. But EVERYTHING? Well, there are just some things better left on the cutting room floor. If it is important, and if it happens Councilmatically, you will surely hear of it. You have to.
Finally, realize that Executive Sessions are often needed for matters of Personnel and Litigation, but minutes are made available later on. It's a short wait, but necessary. Of course, these items can not be discussed until they are ready to be discussed.
So, now you have a better idea of what I am referring to. No one, anywhere, who "free associates" can possibly be a completely open book. None of us are. The mind must always use a little scrap paper before its homework can be graded. We in elected office hide nothing, but we do think things through before we speak irresponsibly. I hope this sufficiently clarifies my point of view
Marc
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Post by Marc LeVine on Apr 17, 2007 9:39:07 GMT -5
I think FF would agree with me. As the folks from Fund for an Open Society told FF, directly at our February meeting - he may not be the appropriate messenger of peace in the Borough. He is an advocate and by defined role must be available to object to whatever he feels he must. Fair enough.
This is why it is important for us to reach directly into the FB Latino immigrant community and INSIST that they select their own leadership, allowing the LLA and others to back away and not have to walk the fine line that they are currently walking between advocacy and daily representation. And fair local and community representation, coupled with good mutual communications should lead us all to better cooperation, greatly reducing the need for the kind of hostile advocacy we have seen here in recent years.
Let us all finally see if there can be cooperation among us all. For if there will not be respect for and compliance with universally fair expectations and ordinances, it is better that we know this sooner rather than later. And, to go even further and to be very optimistic, I believe we can make progress and work together for one Freehold Borough.
This does not mean we should defend illegal immigration. I do not! We must continue to press for national reform and a new set of firm guidelines to live by. Whatever the final verdict of the law will be, we will accept it and we will move on.
Marc
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Apr 17, 2007 9:57:03 GMT -5
As the folks from Fund for an Open Society told FF, directly at our February meeting - he may not be the appropriate messenger of peace in the Borough. He is an advocate and by defined role must be available to object to whatever he feels he must. Fair enough. Marc They did, good for them! FF is the Press Secretary for the NJ LLA, and I would suspect, received some monetary compensation for his participation in this role! Would this disqualify him from anything other than an public observer in an open forum....postion moving forward? And if this financial relationship with the LLA is factual, how has he maintained his position on the Human Relations and the Rental Board Committees? Are paid members of Lobby groups, no less Political Lobby groups required to sign a declaration to the effect, stating that they or any house hold member are not members of, or not receiving payment from Lobbing Groups, or Political Advocacy Organizations? |
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Post by Marc LeVine on Apr 17, 2007 10:12:11 GMT -5
Wait! Wait! Let's not jump the gun on this. We don't know that he has been paid. He says he is only a volunteer. So, for our purposes, we will look at his ongoing committee service.
Effectively, there is no longer a Rental Advisory Committee. We are still not sure if the committee will return and if so, in what form. Perhaps, it will become a hybrid of the Multiple Dwelling Review Board.
Frank acknowledges that he will no longer take part in the Human Relations Committee after this year. He is serving out his present term and will not be reappointed in 2008.
Marc
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Apr 17, 2007 10:51:33 GMT -5
If the LLA is listed with the IRS as a non-for profit, all fanatical disclosures would need to be on public record, and any compensation to members would be as well. May be interesting to look into....incase I become press secretary for PEOPLE, I know what to charge. for my quality services. I can be the Ron Ziggler of Freehold  |
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Post by Marc LeVine on Apr 17, 2007 15:35:22 GMT -5
Just noticed this and I disagree that reaching out to people is ever the wrong thing to do. But, I DO agree that some of the individuals looking for the outreached hand are not necessarily the best people to convene with nor are they always representative of the groups they pretend to represent.
Don't blame the Mayor for being a good man. Blame those seeking to take advantage of his good will.
Marc
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Post by Marc LeVine on Apr 17, 2007 15:52:57 GMT -5
Cas dude!
I'm really flattered and I accept your candid insincerity, wholeheartedly!!! This reminds me of when a disgusted Simon Cowell called another sub-par Sanjaya performance "Incredible." ...and Sanjay thanked him.
Unfortunately, I will have to decline your support and your write in campaign in favor of completing my term as a Councilman, in - let's see - 2 years and 257 days. Quite a bit of time to continue being a "pain in the butt" ON BEHALF OF Freehold Borough residents.
My one regret is that, as Mayor, I might have considered appointing you as poet laureate of Freehold Borough? YEAH BABY YEAH!
Marc
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Post by admin on Apr 17, 2007 16:47:50 GMT -5
Just noticed this and I disagree that reaching out to people is ever the wrong thing to do. But, I DO agree that some of the individuals looking for the outreached hand are not necessarily the best people to convene with nor are they always representative of the groups they pretend to represent. Don't blame the Mayor for being a good man. Blame those seeking to take advantage of his good will. Marc Out reach is good. That is not my point. But, I will remember your disagreement the next time you all get kicked in the teeth for the wrong reasons. Just like March 5. And yes, the Mayor is a good person. He has been treated very poorly by his worst critics. Elected leader or not, he does not deserve some of what he has had to put up with. |
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Post by Casual Reader on Apr 20, 2007 20:02:19 GMT -5
Haiku for Mayor Levine
Mayor Levine now
When Will He Strike Wilson Machine
Draw His Sword He Will
Casually Political
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