2 Charged with Murder in 2008 Shooting

[richardkelsey]

Not much in the article on how the crime was solved, or by whom. My guess is it was some long, strong, good old-fashioned police work.

I knew Rodney. I am glad to see his case was not forgotten. I am looking forward to reading more about this case.



www.app.com/article/20100226/NEWS/100226059/2-charged-with-murder-in-2008-shooting-in-front-of-Freehold-Elks-lodge

[BrianSullivan]

I too am glad that justice is working and this is making progress. It is a testament to the good job the police do and difficult job they have.

What spooks me is that the headline calls it gang related. I often wonder - just how bad is the gang problem in this town?

[fiberisgoodforyou]

Feb 27, 2010 12:15:09 GMT -5 BrianSullivan said:

I too am glad that justice is working and this is making progress. It is a testament to the good job the police do and difficult job they have.

What spooks me is that the headline calls it gang related. I often wonder - just how bad is the gang problem in this town?

Bail was set at $2.5 Million for each of the accused.

It is comforting to know that these two perp's are off the street, and when (swiftly) found guilty, will receive life (no one gets the death penalty in NJ any more ).

Drugs, gangs, guns and premeditated first degree murder...., LIFE with hard time and throw away the key!

Based on the number of agencies who were involved in this investigation, these charges are not only going to stick, there should be enough conclusive evidence collected to assure that there is no need for negotiating a plea bargain…., these two perp’s are cooked and done, !

[lisa]

Brian you really got me thinking with your question. After all it's a good question. To my way of thinking gangs are like ants where there’s one (if you look a little) you can definitely find many more. We all know there are sections of this town with drug problems. I chuckle a little bit because years ago I had a cousin living with me. He soon moved out to his own place and was stopped on Center Street. He had clothes and things in the back of his car, and was stopped by Freehold Boro police who then searched his car for drugs. loll was he upset and extremely indignit that they even assumed. Obviously they didn’t find any but my cousin was so ticked at the mess they made of his personal items.

Where there are drugs you can usually find gang involvement!!!!
Anyway I did some searching around on the internet and eventually found this.....................
njgangsurvey.civicimpulse.com/muni/1315
According to this survey we have more than One Gang in Freehold Borough

"In answering this question, each municipality applied its own subjective criteria."
With that statement... it says to me the police are aware of it also.

[BrianSullivan]

Mar 6, 2010 5:06:02 GMT -5 lisa said:

Brian you really got me thinking with your question. After all it's a good question. To my way of thinking gangs are like ants where there’s one (if you look a little) you can definitely find many more. We all know there are sections of this town with drug problems. I chuckle a little bit because years ago I had a cousin living with me. He soon moved out to his own place and was stopped on Center Street. He had clothes and things in the back of his car, and was stopped by Freehold Boro police who then searched his car for drugs. loll was he upset and extremely indignit that they even assumed. Obviously they didn’t find any but my cousin was so ticked at the mess they made of his personal items.

Where there are drugs you can usually find gang involvement!!!!
Anyway I did some searching around on the internet and eventually found this.....................
njgangsurvey.civicimpulse.com/muni/1315
According to this survey we have more than One Gang in Freehold Borough

"In answering this question, each municipality applied its own subjective criteria."
With that statement... it says to me the police are aware of it also.

Lisa,

Before I begin, I will mention one thing. Drugs are a problem in just about every town. For most towns the question becomes is it in the open or a bit more hidden? Some of the most affluent communities have well hidden and big drug problems. I feel mentioning these points is relevant so the conversation here so as not make it look like the borough is unique in its drug problems. We certainly aren't, but gang issues is another topic of concern all together.

That aside, your link you provided is really good. It can at least give people an idea of what is here. Too often we do not get to see what is really going on. Let face it, this isn't really a topic to make any given town proud.

One thing that sticks out about the link is that it reports no gang activity in the schools. I have to question how accurate that is. In the past, and from different sources, I have had people tell me that there is gang activity in the schools. Most of it has been reported to me as being in the middle school, but I have caught word that the elementary schools may be affected too. Of course, all of what I just wrote is word on the street type stuff, so I have no idea how accurate it is.

On the plus side of gangs or other problems in the schools, I do know the borough has an officer that spends quite a bit of time working with the schools and the kids, especially with the DARE program. That is good to know about because it is proactive police work in dealing with the community.

In the past I have spoken with Chief Roth, he is a very easy person to talk with and is happy to take the time. I wil not go into specifics, but the context of our discussion was what the police are doing. There are aware of problems and certainly do try to stay on top of things.

One last thing, being that it is often hard to get these discussions open, here is another thread that provides a reminder. Reply number 2 has a mention of gang activity, though the thread is another topic all together.

freeholdvoice.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=anythingfreeholdborough&action=display&thread=4770

[lisa]

Brian I remember that thread very well. But thanks for the reminder. I will say the link that I found and its information was a bit of a shock to me. I guess the fact that there could actually be 4 gangs in Freehold boro? I mean sheesh! This town is not much bigger than a mile square. Even if each gang only had two members each, living here is more than this town can handle. I know I've mentioned it to you in the past that my family is from Brooklyn. Leaving me no stranger to shootings drive-bys and most gang related crime. Personally I've been lucky enough never to have lived amongst it. Working for a few years in Brownsville Brooklyn was enough for me and made me appreciate the peace Jersey has to offer. So to know this exists in my backyard is to say the least disconcerting..
As far as your question, when I was working in Brooklyn on New lots Avenue there was a school a few blocks from where I worked. Keep in mind this was YEARS ago, but even then because of the drug and gun traffic in that area they had scanners at every entrance going into the school. Along with police guards and dogs. My question at the time was why? (Remember I was a kid,) It was explained to me that the schools are an automatic target for gangs, a place for them to sell drugs, and to recruit new members. I wouldn’t bet a dollar on the fact that their in our own schools. What I keep wondering is…With all the respect that I have for Freehold Boro Police. I know that the men and woman that work in this town do almost unquestionably excellent work. Therefore I'm wondering why those gangs are here? What’s keeping them from stopping it? I would be the last person to ever question them. I have seen to many times with my own eyes the work they do. And to be honest it just confuses me. I’d like to know what’s stopping them? I keep wondering about that shooting a few years back. Where one man was killed and another injured. Makes sense to me now, it had to be gang related. I feel like I’m one of the few people in freehold that worries about this and I don’t even have kids.
Brian I've never actually met Mr. Roth. I don't have to. I already know he does the best job he's allowed to do. But if this keeps going the way it's going, eventually it's going to destroy this town. Brownsville, Brooklyn is a perfect example of what happens when gangs and the drugs that follow, are ignored and allowed to take over..

[lisa]

And by the way Brian all towns do have a drug problem, and most towns do have known gang members presiding in them. But than again most towns are not as small as Freehold boro. I remember a few towns that I've lived in very close to the Boro, Towns much larger...

To be honest I had a friend of mine murdered when I was in High school. That was the biggest news in that town for years to follow because it was so off the wall. Not drug or gang related. Just Murder. You move to small towns to try and avoid things like that. NOT to expect them! Affluance attracts things like drugs and crime. What are they being attracted to here? A safe haven?

[BrianSullivan]

Lisa,

I like your first thoughts on gangs- they are like ants and if you see a few, there is probably more. Putting aside the word on the street stuff that I posted, there are enough facts presented in this thread to cause anybody concern about what is really going on in our town. Here is a line from an article I will paste right after this thread....

Authorities have now said the crime may have been gang related. No further information on that aspect of the crime was provided

That type of response is far too frequent, people in this town often just do not want to talk about these things. It is a catch 22. Problems will not be solved if we do not talk, but who really wants to highlight gang activity in the town. And don't bother with a council meeting for these questions, they would never give much of an answer for something like this.

There are too many people with rose colored glasses and that is not healthy or safe. ( Another gang shooting? let's pretend it didn't happen and move on)

AS far as the police, we agree that they work hard. In the next post you will see reference to the work they do with other agencies. I do recall from my conversation with the Chief that inter agency work does not end just with one incident. Our police do watch what is happening in other towns and watch to make sure it does not find its way here.

You are right to question the conditions that make this town a possible haven for gangs. That and a few other things are key to combating the issue and if it is not a problem now, keeping it from becoming one.

One certain condition that does not help is that every time our police sneeze the wrong way, we get whacked by out of town interests. That cannot be good for the police and we have to find out why that happens and end it. At least for now, we the people have to be loud and vocal in supporting the police. They really need it. ( I know you do support them)

[BrianSullivan]

newstranscript.gmnews.com/news/2010-03-10/Front_Page/Pair_charged_in_connection_with_murder.html

Pair charged in connection with murder

Rodney Keys was shot as he sat in a car
BY CLARE MARIE CELANO Staff Writer
Two men have been arrested and charged with murdering Freehold Borough native Rodney Keys, 39, on Throckmorton Street, Freehold Borough, on May 3, 2008.
Monmouth County First Assistant Prosecutor Peter E. Warshaw Jr. said Terrell Ryans, 23, of Trenton, and Brandon Montes, 29, of New York City, were arrested and charged with shooting and fatally wounding Keys.

Keys, who was living in Asbury Park at the time of his murder, was shot as he sat in a car on Throckmorton Street shortly after 2 a.m. on May 3, 2008. Authorities have now said the crime may have been gangrelated. No further information on that aspect of the crime was provided.

Ryans and Montes were charged with murdering Keys, and they were each charged with the attempted murder of Keys’ friend, Tyrone Ellis, 38, of Asbury Park, who was injured in the shooting incident.

The shooting has been under investigation by the Monmouth County Prosecutor’s Office and the Freehold Borough Police Department for almost two years.

According to Warshaw, Ryans was taken into custody on Feb. 2 at a Trenton residence and is being held at the Monmouth County jail, Freehold Township.

The shooter, identified by Warshaw as Montes, was arrested on Feb. 25 and taken into custody in Manhattan. Montes remains in a New York jail, according to the first assistant prosecutor.

Keys was a 1987 graduate of Freehold High School. He is survived by three teenage children.

Assisting the Monmouth County Prosecutor’s Office and the Freehold Borough Police Department in the investigation were members of the New York Police Department, the Monmouth County Sheriff’s Office, the Mercer County Prosecutor’s Office, the United States Marshal’s Office, the Trenton Police Department, the Hamilton Township Police Department, the East Windsor Police Department and the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.

[lisa]

Brian Thanks for the article. But it leaves me even more tormented...........
Assisting the Monmouth County Prosecutor’s Office and the Freehold Borough Police (Department in the investigation were members of the New York Police Department, the Monmouth County Sheriff’s Office, the Mercer County Prosecutor’s Office, the United States Marshal’s Office, the Trenton Police Department, the Hamilton Township Police Department, the East Windsor Police Department and the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.)
All these agency's are involved and we have no Gang problem here? Who's kidding who? All the way up to the Federal level and no one wants to talk about this? What are the people running this town doing? Hideing this information? This is pathetic and scary. The best part is all these offices are involved and they THINK it might be gang related?

Your not kidding with those rose colored glasses!!!!!!!!!!

[Mike Rosseel]

There is certainly no doubt that there is gangs or links to gangs in our backyard here in Freehold. The members of these gangs make it very easy to identify them, we certainly are one of the many towns with these issues. Our streets are safe, i honestly believe that, but to think there are no gangs here is kinda ridiculous!

[lisa]

Brian I know and have seen how are Police department is treated and literally it makes me sick to my stomach. These men and woman deserve all the praise in the world. I know what their attitudes are up close and personal and its exactly the reason I admire them so much. All they want is to do is the jobs their hired to do. It's hard to find people in this world that are so honest to their profession and go about it with such ferver and resolve. Wherever the cause or lack of information reguarding this subject? I have no idea where it falls... but it's definitly not at the feet of our Police department. The only thing they get is malined and myself? I'm sick of it!!!!!!!!!

[ddigler]

Lisa, I agree with everything you said and that is why in the past I am disgusted that with all these serious problems this town faces our council instead wants to speak about a garden or bike racks every chance they can. I know many members of our police department and they are more than capable to clean this town up...if only they had the town's backing. This council would rather appease the almighty downtown business owners with that retro 1975 foot patrol than to address problems faced by those that reside here, not just profit here. Do the math..16 hours foot patrol x $$hr= ton of money this town could use to fight crime.

[lisa]

ddigler " I know many members of our police department and they are more than capable to clean this town up..."
I know their more than capeable, and I also know most of them have got to be chomping at the bit!!! To do what they were meant to and want to do. Another instance of where I feel bad for them. I can't imagine being in a job where your so held back from doing exactly what your trained to do. I often wonder why were so lucky to have such an excellent Police force and why most of them even stay here? I guess thats my biggest fear. I moved to this town because of what I saw in that force almost immedietly, and my greatest fear is that this town is eventually going to loose the people we count on most. Just do me a favor and next time you see some of those men tell them there are some residents of Freehold Boro. That truly admire and appreciate the hard work they do even knowing every one is basically wearing a harness. All I can say is Gob Bless them, I could'nt do what their doing.

[Mike Rosseel]

Mar 10, 2010 12:39:11 GMT -5 lisa said:

ddigler " I know many members of our police department and they are more than capable to clean this town up..."
I know their more than capeable, and I also know most of them have got to be chomping at the bit!!! To do what they were meant to and want to do. Another instance of where I feel bad for them. I can't imagine being in a job where your so held back from doing exactly what your trained to do. I often wonder why were so lucky to have such an excellent Police force and why most of them even stay here? I guess thats my biggest fear. I moved to this town because of what I saw in that force almost immedietly, and my greatest fear is that this town is eventually going to loose the people we count on most. Just do me a favor and next time you see some of those men tell them there are some residents of Freehold Boro. That truly admire and appreciate the hard work they do even knowing every one is basically wearing a harness. All I can say is Gob Bless them, I could'nt do what their doing.

Lisa, I have to strongly disagree here. I know many of the police department from the highest of ranks to lowest of ranks, never once have they made any comments like this. Our department is backed by our council and mayor and always has been. That has been proven for many many years now. Im not sure which cops have had open conversations with you about this but I find that very hard to believe.

We havent had a division in town between our police and goverment ever! I am going back to Chief Burlew, Chief Mike and our current amazing Chief Roth. I have many people working on a night to thank the police, from us residents. This even is in the works thanks to our Chief and Mayor! I'm sorry but I think your statement is 100% wrong!

[Mike Rosseel]

Lisa when you write: …” even knowing every one is basically wearing a harness.” Exactly what does that mean and what is your proof? You sound like you know what’s going on. I think you owe it to explain what this means.

Also, when you wonder “why most of them even stay here? Why exactly do you wonder this? Are you implying that FB is not a good place to be a police officer? Again, why? Have you heard of any officers leaving town to go elsewhere? I sure haven't! Seems to me to be more of a post to use the police to fire people up against our governing body, which included John Newman!

[ddigler]

Mike, they are absolutely harnessed..heres the examples you requested. Years ago, the dept. had a street crimes unit that did a tremendous job seizing drugs, guns and raiding drug houses. They served approx. 50 raids, 1 lawsuit and the town council decided to lay down, not fight and instead shut this joint team down. That sends a great message to the officers. The dept was doing a great job with checking vehicles at the schools for seat belts etc., what happened? The town gets flack from a NYC lawyer and surprise..the reaction is no more enforcement at the school. Another great message to send the officers. Illegal Taxi enforcement and bicycle ordinance violations all went the same way. As soon as some ridiculous group in town questions anything, the town council passes word that the PD needs to cease that activity. This town council is great and asking for things to be enforced and then cutting bait and leaving these men n women to twist in the wind. Time and time again.

[Mike Rosseel]

DDigler,

The street unit "jumpout boys" was a collection of officers from all the towns in the county, not just Freehold. The entire group doesnt exist anymore. Plus that was years ago, lets talk current, our police have free rein. I will give you examples from current police officers who I spoke with today that your wrong, if you can give me one honest example with a name.

taxi ordinance and bike ordinace are in full affect, as per the chief of police, not sure what your talking about here either. The police in working with the council on the taxi ordinace have special officers who were taught the ordinace and are set to enforce it. Again, not sure where your coming from!

[lisa]

Mike First of all this is not meant in any way to fire anyone up. I'm an observer always have been always will be. Trust me when I say I know as much as you do. Maybe the difference between me and you is just that I've seen good towns and really bad towns and have made it a point to figure out why it happens. What I see and what you can see (if you choose to look) in news papers and talk to friends and other people you know in this neighborhood is things are slowly changing in this town and not all for the better. This post in itself says that. When was the last time you heard of a murder in Freehold. That has to make everyone stop and think. This is a blue collar small town. It's NOT a city. Common sense dictates that Murders don't normally happen in small towns especially like this one. Why? Very simply because most people are more laid back, they have room to breathe and are not sharing walls with their next door neighbor. When I say wearing a harness and I'll humor you to explain .... I meant it hypothetically. It means they can't do the job their allowed to do. If this was just a random murder don't you think the police in this town are smarter than it taking two years to figure out? THIS IS A SMALL TOWN!!! Everyone knows everyone and secrets are kind of hard to keep! As far as a good Place? Freehold is a great town "for now" That's why I moved here. I knew the history of Freehold boro well before I even moved here. That’s what happens when you spend most of your life in Monmouth County. What I didn't expect was the influx of illegal immigration that in my personal opinion constitutes about 75-80% of our Hispanic community. Most of them can't even speak English so what does that tell you? You don't have to be a scholar to figure that one out.
They have no stake in this town so they really don't care whether they know our language or not. meantime their harassing our police, calling them prejudice, suing them for police brutality, and using representatives from outside freehold boro to protect them in court and walk all over our judicial system. Sit back and wait I'm sure this Last incident like the one with Ms. Irizarry will repeat itself and possibly situations will even escalate. Did you happen to think about how dangerous that situation may have been for that particular officer? Well I did and with the possibility of Gangs in the streets of Freehold boro it didn’t leave a pretty picture. Again it doesn’t take a brain surgeon to figure that one out.
When the reputation of our police department has been put in jeopardy with all the news articles. Take the time to look around online and off I'm sure you'll see as much as I do. IF you choose to just simply open your eyes. How much could you take, if you were doing the best job you knew and COULD do and were getting ripped apart by news articles that are basically subversive? If you ask me those articles in themselves have hurt our Police department more than I could ever possibly achieve. How do you think those articles look to people that don’t live in the boro?
And Mike If you bothered to look. I mean really look at my previous post and the one before it. I was copying a statement made by a previous poster. I don’t know who that person I was answering is.. but I was agreeing with him! I don't know anyone in our police department personally. I have had to call them a number of times due to a problem I had with a next door neighbor. One that took over a year to settle, because it involved so much. At that time I did have some long conversations with Officers and Detectives. There were a number of nights where I was alone due to my husband being out of the state because of his job. Nights were I was actually petrified for being alone knowing what could happen. All I can say is thank god for those men. If it weren’t for them I would have had a number of very bad nights. They let me know they were on the job and even patrolleing my block which was the only thought that allowed me to sleep that entire week.
So actually I have no idea what your disagreeing with since most of what I added to that post are my thoughts and feelings.

[BrianSullivan]

Mar 9, 2010 21:04:00 GMT -5 ddigler said:

Lisa, I agree with everything you said and that is why in the past I am disgusted that with all these serious problems this town faces our council instead wants to speak about a garden or bike racks every chance they can. I know many members of our police department and they are more than capable to clean this town up...if only they had the town's backing. This council would rather appease the almighty downtown business owners with that retro 1975 foot patrol than to address problems faced by those that reside here, not just profit here. Do the math..16 hours foot patrol x $$hr= ton of money this town could use to fight crime.

ddigler,

I am going to disagree with you a bit here. I do not believe there is anything wrong with the governing body discussing their accomplishments, even positive ones. In the case of the community garden and bike racks, I do have a bias in favor of those things because I am a gardener and a bicyclist. I realize others may not share that bias, but, it is not right or fair to take away those positives from the governing body just because we have other problems.

I also wouldn't be so quick to put down the effort and value of "appeasing the almighty downtown business owners." They pay taxes and have a vested interest in this town just like the rest of us.

I also wouldn't be so quick to knock ( or support) the "retro 1975 foot patrol. " While we may all be entitled to our opinions, unless we take a really good in depth look at the PD operations and resources, it is tough to put forth a well reasoned opinion either way.

I think we will agree that this town has problems that must be addressed and often are not talked about.

[lisas84]

ddigler, I'm just wondering exactly how you know all this stuff about the PD? You're a repository of PD info! So, I've been wondering: if a police car wants you to pull over and you're on a busy road with no shoulder -- does the officer prefer you driving a bit so that you can pull over safely into a parking lot, or would the officer prefer you pulling over ASAP?

I do get pulled over occasionally for being a doofus, and I really want to know! If you dont' know this, that's fine, maybe someone else does. I figured this may be the best thread to ask this question.

[Mike Rosseel]

Lisa,

Pleases murders happen all over, that point is totally useless! That has nothing to do with city living vs small town. we dont have alot of murders in a small town vs a city, but maybe poplulation and element of people plays a role in that.

My eyes are open, are yours? I dont need to read articles from sites bashing our police to gain knowledge, I sit down and talk to them directly. I have spoken to the chief, the officers, no one seems to think there "harnessed" as you put it.

You seem to point out the latino population and there issues? is that group a problem with you? And lack of communication seems off to, do you know how many hispanics police men and women we have. Please Lisa, please!

[BrianSullivan]

Mar 10, 2010 17:58:27 GMT -5 Mike Rosseel said:

Lisa,

Pleases murders happen all over, that point is totally useless! That has nothing to do with city living vs small town. we dont have alot of murders in a small town vs a city, but maybe poplulation and element of people plays a role in that.

My eyes are open, are yours? I dont need to read articles from sites bashing our police to gain knowledge, I sit down and talk to them directly. I have spoken to the chief, the officers, no one seems to think there "harnessed" as you put it.

You seem to point out the latino population and there issues? is that group a problem with you? And lack of communication seems off to, do you know how many hispanics police men and women we have. Please Lisa, please!

Mike,

There is one simple fact that does cause reasonable concern. The last time I looked, Freehold Borough is number three in major crimes in Monmouth County. I would say that indicates a problem that must be addressed.

I do not write the above to bash or agree/disagree with anyone, just as a matter of fact.

[BrianSullivan]

Mar 10, 2010 17:58:03 GMT -5 lisas84 said:

ddigler, I'm just wondering exactly how you know all this stuff about the PD? You're a repository of PD info! So, I've been wondering: if a police car wants you to pull over and you're on a busy road with no shoulder -- does the officer prefer you driving a bit so that you can pull over safely into a parking lot, or would the officer prefer you pulling over ASAP?

I do get pulled over occasionally for being a doofus, and I really want to know! If you dont' know this, that's fine, maybe someone else does. I figured this may be the best thread to ask this question.

generally speaking, pull over immediately. If you must travel, make your intentions very clear. If a cop wants you to pull into a lot, he/she will give you clear instructions.

[lisas84]

Lisa, unfortunately, a murder-suicide-arson just happened in a bucolic town, Holmdel. Murders happen everywhere.

I am really curious as to what the heck goes on in the minds of people like that, people who murder and think they can get away with it. It really boggles my mind.

[BrianSullivan]

....meantime their harassing our police, calling them prejudice, suing them for police brutality, and using representatives from outside freehold boro to protect them in court and walk all over our judicial system. Sit back and wait I'm sure this Last incident like the one with Ms. Irizarry will repeat itself and possibly situations will even escalate. Did you happen to think about how dangerous that situation may have been for that particular officer?

Lisa wrote the above and hits some important points. One of the things I have been very critical of the governing body is in how they have handled outside interests. I will not rehash past incidents for now, but I think they have done a very bad job of that and have invited future problems. For that, Lisa, is right, these situations will repeat themselves and if anybody thinks that is good for the PD they need to think again.

[Mike Rosseel]

Mar 10, 2010 18:11:12 GMT -5 BrianSullivan said:

....meantime their harassing our police, calling them prejudice, suing them for police brutality, and using representatives from outside freehold boro to protect them in court and walk all over our judicial system. Sit back and wait I'm sure this Last incident like the one with Ms. Irizarry will repeat itself and possibly situations will even escalate. Did you happen to think about how dangerous that situation may have been for that particular officer?

Lisa wrote the above and hits some important points. One of the things I have been very critical of the governing body is in how they have handled outside interests. I will not rehash past incidents for now, but I think they have done a very bad job of that and have invited future problems. For that, Lisa, is right, these situations will repeat themselves and if anybody thinks that is good for the PD they need to think again.

Brian, you know as well as I do that the Boro as a whole had there hands tied with these groups, i believe you had said that yourself in a earlier post!

[BrianSullivan]

Mar 10, 2010 18:16:04 GMT -5 Mike Rosseel said:

Mar 10, 2010 18:11:12 GMT -5 BrianSullivan said:

....meantime their harassing our police, calling them prejudice, suing them for police brutality, and using representatives from outside freehold boro to protect them in court and walk all over our judicial system. Sit back and wait I'm sure this Last incident like the one with Ms. Irizarry will repeat itself and possibly situations will even escalate. Did you happen to think about how dangerous that situation may have been for that particular officer?

Lisa wrote the above and hits some important points. One of the things I have been very critical of the governing body is in how they have handled outside interests. I will not rehash past incidents for now, but I think they have done a very bad job of that and have invited future problems. For that, Lisa, is right, these situations will repeat themselves and if anybody thinks that is good for the PD they need to think again.

Brian, you know as well as I do that the Boro as a whole had there hands tied with these groups, i believe you had said that yourself in a earlier post!

Yes their hands are tied, but the borough did it to itself. Like I said, this is one topic where I have long disagreed with the governing body.

[Mike Rosseel]

Mar 10, 2010 18:02:10 GMT -5 BrianSullivan said:

Mar 10, 2010 17:58:27 GMT -5 Mike Rosseel said:

Lisa,

Pleases murders happen all over, that point is totally useless! That has nothing to do with city living vs small town. we dont have alot of murders in a small town vs a city, but maybe poplulation and element of people plays a role in that.

My eyes are open, are yours? I dont need to read articles from sites bashing our police to gain knowledge, I sit down and talk to them directly. I have spoken to the chief, the officers, no one seems to think there "harnessed" as you put it.

You seem to point out the latino population and there issues? is that group a problem with you? And lack of communication seems off to, do you know how many hispanics police men and women we have. Please Lisa, please!

Mike,

There is one simple fact that does cause reasonable concern. The last time I looked, Freehold Borough is number three in major crimes in Monmouth County. I would say that indicates a problem that must be addressed.

I do not write the above to bash or agree/disagree with anyone, just as a matter of fact.

Brian, which side of your mouth are you speaking out of this time, didn't you just praise our police on APP.com? Now we have issues that need to be addressed with our department and council!

Again Brian, instead of sitting on FV and teliing the world what you would do, Im sure ted needs another running mate this year, get up there and run for council and change this town like only you know how too!

[BrianSullivan]

Mar 10, 2010 18:26:28 GMT -5 Mike Rosseel said:

Mar 10, 2010 18:02:10 GMT -5 BrianSullivan said:

Mike,

There is one simple fact that does cause reasonable concern. The last time I looked, Freehold Borough is number three in major crimes in Monmouth County. I would say that indicates a problem that must be addressed.

I do not write the above to bash or agree/disagree with anyone, just as a matter of fact.

Brian, which side of your mouth are you speaking out of this time, didn't you just praise our police on APP.com? Now we have issues that need to be addressed with our department and council!

Again Brian, instead of sitting on FV and teliing the world what you would do, Im sure ted needs another running mate this year, get up there and run for council and change this town like only you know how too!

Mike, I didn't write anything bad about our police, it was a criticism of the governing body. Let me back up and elaborate a little. In the past I have written that many people have underestimated the outside groups who have given us a hard time. The governing body is very much included in that. Their past actions are a part of the reason why we will continue to have problems. The police will pay for that and it is not right.