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Post by admin on Sept 5, 2007 8:31:07 GMT -5
Last night was a doozy. I did not bring a pen to take notes and I should have. There will be some news generated for sure.
To start with some basics:
Proclamation Declaring Sept. 10-16 as National Assisted Living week
Second reading of a bond ordinance for the purchase of a much needed rescue truck for the fire department.
Second reading of a bond ordinance providing for improvement s to Borough Hall
Appointing of Crossing guards
Resolution awarding a contract for water plant pipe repairs
Appointments to the Historic Preservation Commission
I will continue this in the following post
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Post by admin on Sept 5, 2007 8:50:35 GMT -5
Again, I should have brought a pen to take notes.
I will start by mentioning the first aid squad. Members of the squad spoke during the public comment portion. They are in dire need of help, again. Fund raising has been down this year. They provided some stats. What is interesting is that the township and the borough are evenly matched for donated funds this year. That is sad considering that the township has three times the population that we do. Also, the donations from businesses are down a great deal. I believe it was mentioned that only nine percent of over six hundred businesses have donated. The Mayor recommended to Councilman Sims that the new CIC play a role in getting the word out to residents to donate.
I will continually remind all of you to donate as time goes on. The first aid squad is very vital. I know they have been reasonable successful in getting new volunteers, but we must be helpful and vigilant in securing money for the squad.
Other citizens brought up questions about school funding, Jake breaking on Park ave, and questionable home construction.
And then there was our favorite, Tom Baldwin. Good ol' TB decided to take swipes at the Mayor for petitioning Governor Corzine to be appointed to the blue ribbon panel on New Jersey immigration.
As usual, TB was referring to the past and and trying to take steps backward. He continued hostility as a member of Casa Freehold was evident. I will not go too much further into his comments. It was the usual garbage. What is worth mentioning is that TB's words provoked two other people to step up and clearly oppose him. One woman even walked out of the room until TB was done talking.
That set the stage for some good council comments which will be in my next post.
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Post by admin on Sept 5, 2007 9:42:29 GMT -5
freeholdvoice.proboards46.com/index.cgi?board=policedepartmenttwo&action=display&thread=1188991087As Fiber wrote: Keep an eye out for the APP ans NT, interesting reversal from Mayor, Council and Chief Roth last night....I do not know if the word reversal is what I would have chosen. But, one thing is for sure, it sounds as if we got our old Mayor and council back. They came out swinging and there must have been something in the water. I write that due to the fact that in recent months several of you readers have had concerns over the tone of the Mayor, Chief and council. The Mayor started off by making public that our town is complying with the directive of the NJ AG pertaining to the reporting of illegal alien criminals to ICE. Here is a brief overview. 1. Officers will inquire about legal status when a person is arrested for an indictable offense and DWI. This will be done during the booking process. It will not apply to non indite able offenses or non DWI offenses. 2. Police Chief Roth is requesting a summit with other police Chiefs, MC Sheriff, and the Monmouth County Prosecutor in order to put together a county wide standard and review of 287g. 3. The police would not, according the AG directive, detain someone just for being in the country illegally, unless notified by ICE to do so. 4. Immigration status of victims of crime or witnesses will not be addressed by law enforcement personnel. 5. And last but not least. Freehold Borough has already begun adhering to the new AG directives. On August 27, a person was arrested for an indite able offense. The police department questioned the legal status of the arrested person and forwarded the information to the feds. As mentioned, the council was on fire. Council Woman Shutzer really went off like a rocket after having listened to Tom Baldwin. She and others on the council made very clear that they understand that illegal immigration is not good for our town and has hurt us very badly. When Councilwoman Shutzer was done, she received a well deserved applause from the citizens in attendance. Councilman LeVine was also very good. He made clear that 287g is not off the table and is being looked at- the right way. It is all very unfortunate that Freehold borough had to wait until the state came to it's senses for these needed issues to be addressed. That comes from the long history of the state and feds having failed us. It is even sadder that the state did not even consider these issues until three good kids were murdered by some one who should not have been here or on our streets. Seeing what I saw last night, I will refrain from referring to our town as a sanctuary city. The words I heard last night were not the words of people waving a white flag. One honorable mention. Councilman Sims brought up the defeat of the waste transfer station in the township adjacent to our town. Councilman Kane also mentioned this. It was made very clear that the Mayor, Joe Bellina, Sims and Kane were all key in petitioning against this idea which would have brought trains loaded with waste through our town and too close to our town. Our elected leaders were in contact with higher up officials and apparently went to Washington to fight against the waste transfer station. Speaking of Councilman Kane, I forgot to mention in the public comments section that Al Mitchenfelder asked about Old Freehold Day. Councilman Kane said they are working on bringing this very good event back to our town after having been canceled last year. Al also mentioned that his car club will be at the Court Street School this Saturday for any who would be interested in going.
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Post by richardkelsey on Sept 5, 2007 10:13:54 GMT -5
The words I heard last night were not the words of people waving a white flag. Actions speak much louder then words. We are 13-17 years into the crisis. I have heard tough talk from the Mayor before -- and then I read his letter to the Governor. |
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Post by admin on Sept 5, 2007 10:24:20 GMT -5
The words I heard last night were not the words of people waving a white flag. Actions speak much louder then words. We are 13-17 years into the crisis. I have heard tough talk from the Mayor before -- and then I read his letter to the Governor. You are right that we are too many years into the crisis. But, at the risk of sounding like an apologist for the Mayor, that letter to Corzine was a bad example. It has to be looked at in context. If the Mayor had written that sounding like one of us, his chances of appointment would not be as good. That is a case where a bit of diplomacy is needed. After all, Corzine is a left wing-nut socialist. The Corzine letter is bound to be different than what we heard last night when the governing body was addressing their constituents. It has to be. If Corzine was more in line with most folks then a stronger letter would have been good. Last night was a good night. Granted we are only taking about a piece of the puzzle and it is going in the right direction. Nobody is off the hook yet. There have been mistakes including recent ones, that is for sure. |
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Post by admin on Sept 5, 2007 14:14:43 GMT -5
newstranscript.gmnews.com/news/2007/0906/Front_page/002.htmlPolice begin to check suspects' immigration status Attorney general's directive applies to local departments BY CLARE MARIE CELANO Staff Writer The Freehold Borough Police Department has already had an opportunity to comply with a recent directive issued by New Jersey Attorney General Anne Millgram regarding suspected illegal immigrants who commit indictable crimes. On Aug. 22, Millgram ordered all police officers in New Jersey to inquire about the immigration status of any person who has been charged with a serious crime or with driving while intoxicated and to notify federal immigration authorities if a law enforcement authority has reason to believe the suspect is not in the United States legally. The attorney general's directive to New Jersey law enforcement agencies came in the wake of the murder of three college students in Newark earlier this summer. One suspect who has been arrested in connection with the triple murder is reported to be a Peruvian national who is in the United States illegally. According to information provided by Borough Attorney Kerry Higgins, Freehold Borough Mayor Michael Wilson reported that on Aug. 27, police officers arrested an individual for an indictable offense. After questioning the arrestee's immigration status, police provided that information to federal immigration authorities for review. No information about the nature of the crime or the response from U.S. authorities was available by the News Transcript deadline on Tuesday. The directive issued by Millgram provides guidelines and establishes the manner in which local, county and state law enforcement agencies and offices will interact with federal immigration authorities. The order states: "When a local, county or state law enforcement officer makes an arrest for any indictable crime, or for driving while intoxicated, the arresting officer, as part of the booking process, shall inquire about the arrestee's citizenship, nationality and immigration status. If the officer has reason to believe the person may not be lawfully present in the United States, the officer shall notify Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) during the arrest booking process." The notification to ICE may be made by telephone, by fax, or by other means such as ICE may provide. The police officer will be required to document when and by what means notification to ICE was made and the factual basis for believing that the suspect may be an illegal immigrant. Whenever a law enforcement officer notifies ICE about a suspected illegal immigrant, notification will also be made to the prosecuting authority that will handle the matter (i.e. the county prosecutor's office). County prosecutors will, on an annual basis, report to the director of the Division of Criminal Justice on the total number of notifications made pursuant to the directive and the director will make the data public on an annual basis. No state, county or local law enforcement officer will be permitted to inquire about or investigate the immigration status of any victim, witness, potential witness or any person requesting or receiving police assistance. Wilson said he has already had discussions on the matter with Freehold Borough Police Chief Mitchell Roth. The Freehold Borough mayor said Roth will meet with the Monmouth County Police Chiefs Association and the New Jersey State Association of Chiefs of Police to request a summit with Monmouth County Prosecutor Luis Valentin, Monmouth County Sheriff Joseph Oxley and other jurisdictions who are similarly impacted by this order. "Police Chief Roth is requesting that the prosecutor review the guidelines to assure that the implementation is consistent among all municipalities in the county and to answer any gray area questions," Wilson said. He added that the attorney general's directive requires inquiry and notification as to a suspect's immigration status, but does not call for detention of a person suspected of being in the United States illegally unless instructed by ICE to detain the individual. Wilson added that the directive mandates that no inquiry is to be made or investigation commenced into the immigration status of any victim, witness, potential witness or person, who has requested or is receiving police assistance. Frank Argote-Freyre, chairman of the Freehold chapter of the Latino Leadership Alliance of New Jersey, said of the directive, "we (the alliance) are in the process of analyzing the directive and are monitoring anti-immigrant groups across the state. Many anti-immigrant groups think this directive implies it is open season and all of a sudden you can stop anyone. There are safeguards in place for immigrants and they can only be stopped for immigration status under certain specific conditions. People cannot use this as a tool to round up immigrants on street corners or for racial profiling." Argote-Freyre also said members of the alliance are especially monitoring towns with a large immigrant population, including Freehold Borough and Freehold Township. He said he has met with Roth and plans to meet with other police chiefs in Monmouth County to discuss the directive and how it will be implemented. He said Millgram's directive will standardize procedures and leave less chance for abuse of a person's civil rights. Freehold Township police Capt. James Lasky said the directive from the attorney general is in place and said the department is in the process of training all officers in the proper implementation of the directive. "We are prepared to implement the attorney general's directive as stated and will take a wait-and-see approach to determine how effective it will be. We will do our part to help prevent any tragedy like the recent shooting of the three young adults in Newark," Lasky said. He said that as of Sept. 4 police had not yet had a need to report any suspect's immigration status to ICE.
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Post by richardkelsey on Sept 5, 2007 16:45:10 GMT -5
With all due respect Richard, it sounds like you have a real hard-on for this mayor. You just can't seem to cut the guy any break. I am wondering why. Just curious. I put much more faith in a governing body that takes its time to assess and self-educate prior to releasing any information about any type of decision. Steady and assured, taking all factors and risks into heavy consideration. I personally do not hold much respect for anyone in a leadership position who reacts without careful aforethought and who does not partake in due diligence. I think his letter to Corzine is well intended, to provide a real-picture insight as to how illegal immigration has affected life in a small NJ town - for balance. When I read it in the paper I thought and felt it was an appropriate move. Reasonable and pragmatic solutions come about through careful preponderance and open communications. And this takes a bit of time. Again, no disrespect -- I would surmise that as an attorney, you know all about taking time to discover, review and ponder prior to taking a course of action. You want the answer today -- or do you want to wait for the editorial? LOL |
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Post by admin on Sept 6, 2007 9:05:31 GMT -5
Originally posted by Marc, moved here by admin
Especially to Rich Kelsey - who doubts the Mayor's motivations for wanting to be appointed to Governor Corzine's Blue Ribbon Commission. When Tom Baldwin voiced his opposition and concerns about the Mayor Wilson's interest in serving on that committee, he feared that the Mayor was going there to present "balance" and enlighten the committee on the needs of small towns suffering from the plight of illegal immigration.
A committee solely focussed on "making nice" to illegal immigrants, while blatently ignoring the critical thinking required to deal with the underlying problems caused by their being here is a flawed committee from the start.
In short, the Mayor wasn't appointed. The potential result more soup kitchens throughout New Jersey and not enough funding for our Borough Schools; no increased fines for Borough overcrowding; and no increased enforcement of state employment and state tax laws against illegal employees.
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Post by admin on Sept 6, 2007 9:48:16 GMT -5
Originally posted by Marc, moved here by adminEspecially to Rich Kelsey - who doubts the Mayor's motivations for wanting to be appointed to Governor Corzine's Blue Ribbon Commission. When Tom Baldwin voiced his opposition and concerns about the Mayor Wilson's interest in serving on that committee, he feared that the Mayor was going there to present "balance" and enlighten the committee on the needs of small towns suffering from the plight of illegal immigration. A committee solely focussed on "making nice" to illegal immigrants, while blatently ignoring the critical thinking required to deal with the underlying problems caused by their being here is a flawed committee from the start. In short, the Mayor wasn't appointed. The potential result more soup kitchens throughout New Jersey and not enough funding for our Borough Schools; no increased fines for Borough overcrowding; and no increased enforcement of state employment and state tax laws against illegal employees. To, again, try to make clear, this was posted by Marc, not me. These are his words. I had to do some admin magic which is why the post is under my name. |
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Post by richardkelsey on Sept 6, 2007 10:14:04 GMT -5
Originally posted by Marc, moved here by adminEspecially to Rich Kelsey - who doubts the Mayor's motivations for wanting to be appointed to Governor Corzine's Blue Ribbon Commission. When Tom Baldwin voiced his opposition and concerns about the Mayor Wilson's interest in serving on that committee, he feared that the Mayor was going there to present "balance" and enlighten the committee on the needs of small towns suffering from the plight of illegal immigration. A committee solely focussed on "making nice" to illegal immigrants, while blatently ignoring the critical thinking required to deal with the underlying problems caused by their being here is a flawed committee from the start. In short, the Mayor wasn't appointed. The potential result more soup kitchens throughout New Jersey and not enough funding for our Borough Schools; no increased fines for Borough overcrowding; and no increased enforcement of state employment and state tax laws against illegal employees. Marc: There are two very disturbing facts about this whole affair. First -- the letter from the Mayor to the Governor contained language and facts that are simply untrue and offensive. If those misrepresentations were made in order to infiltrate this Committee -- then that's great. Now would be a terrific time for the Mayor -- who was rebuked and ignored -- to come out and lay the pipe to Governor Corzine. The people of Freehold deserve to know how the mayor squares his representations in that letter with the facts of what has happened in Freehold. You seem to hint he was just trying to win a spot and provide some balance on the committee. (If that's true -- kudos for him.) Now that the longest serving democrat Mayor in the state -- a democrat with more exposure to this issue than any mayor has been ignored for appointment -- perhaps this would be the time to call a press conference and take to task Corzine, the selection process and the Committee. I am trying to figure out what advantage the Borough has having the longest serving Democrat Mayor in an all democrat state -- when that mayor can't leverage himself to get on the committee. If he does not repudiate his remarks in the letter -- then we are left with quotes from this Mayor that embrace the illegal alien invasion and its positive effects on the Borough. If he believes that -- then he deserves the rebuke he gets -- and he deserves to be called to question with respect to his motives and recent actions -- which looking at your appointments -- speak louder than his words. Yesterday -- I wrote a deadly accurate response to Calliope -- who simply does not have the depth of knowledge on the history of this issue to understand my frustration with the Mayor. I chose not to post it -- instead posting a funny quip. That posting -- which I will post soon, pales somewhat in comparison to the extensive editorial I have written and will have published on this issue. I leave no rock uncovered. I have neither posted nor had printed either lengthy rebuke -- because I am waiting, hoping, praying, that Mike Wilson will explain his latest activities. So -- will make this simple. Let the Mayor rebuke the Governor and his committee -- and repudiate his statements in his letter to the Governor. That will show that this Mayor intends to keep up the fight -- as he promised. That's why I said -- actions speak louder than words. |
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Post by Marc LeVine on Sept 6, 2007 11:21:02 GMT -5
Rich:
I won't speak for the Mayor much beyond sharing (on this board) what I've discused with him regarding his original interest in the appointment. See my past posts on that. I have never known him to be a liar, so I accept his rationale as presented to me.
As for his "words and actions"...I may know a little more about these than I am able and willing to share on a blog like this one for obvious reasons.
In the coming days you and others will realize that his actions speak just as loud as his most recent words (Tuesday) when it comes to illegal immigration. I can also tell you that there are 6 other people on the council that are willing and able to fight for Freehold Borough any way we need to against illegal immigration and - especially - its negative efftects.
Finally, your apparent vitriol towards the Mayor is older, much more personal and also appears to predate this message board. I suggest that you reach out to him to settle your personal and political differences, perhaps off line. He has enough enemies on the wrong side of the fight against illegal immigration and would relish the support of the vast majority of people, who agree that it is bad for our nation and destructive to our town.
I like you both, some I am staying out of the middle of your disagreement.
Marc
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Post by richardkelsey on Sept 6, 2007 11:49:10 GMT -5
Rich: I won't speak for the Mayor much beyond sharing (on this board) what I've discused with him regarding his original interest in the appointment. See my past posts on that. I have never known him to be a liar, so I accept his rationale as presented to me. As for his "words and actions"...I may know a little more about these than I am able and willing to share on a blog like this one for obvious reasons. In the coming days you and others will realize that his actions speak just as loud as his most recent words (Tuesday) when it comes to illegal immigration. I can also tell you that there are 6 other people on the council that are willing and able to fight for Freehold Borough any way we need to against illegal immigration and - especially - its negative efftects. Finally, your apparent vitriol towards the Mayor is older, much more personal and also appears to predate this message board. I suggest that you reach out to him to settle your personal and political differences, perhaps off line. He has enough enemies on the wrong side of the fight against illegal immigration and would relish the support of the vast majority of people, who agree that it is bad for our nation and destructive to our town. I like you both, some I am staying out of the middle of your disagreement. Marc I thought we were on the same side -- I am just trying to reconcile his written words in his letter and most recent actions. There is no question we were not on the same side of this issue in the many years prior to 2003. I was on the right side of the issue -- and I thought he had joined me there. Now -- there is absolutely no question that I disagree with the tactics, pace, and inaction on parts of this complicated issue. But then he is the Mayor and you folks are the counsel. So -- those are your calls to make -- and the results are your burdens to bear. But yes -- I identified illegal immigration as a significant problem in this town over 11 years ago -- and a problem in the country almost 15 years ago. (And, my writing in the public sphere demonstrates that) So -- my disagreement on the handling of this issue goes back very far. I just thought that while the Mayor was not doing what I would do -- he was at least on the same side for the last several years. His words in that letter call into question if that is true or not. I am just trying to ascertain if he has waffled on the issue or not. And, after 15 years with this problem, and 22 years at he helm, if he is going to stand-up to his only party officials and call them to account. I have nothing against the man personally -- he is a very nice fellow. My ties to him and his family go back quite some time and cross at numerous intersections -- which is why I have not yet dropped the 25 ton nuclear bomb I am holding. You certainly don't need to mediate or answer in any way for the mayor. And -- he does not need to answer to me -- that's for sure. I am -- on this open board, however, trying to reconcile his written words and recent actions with what I thought were his efforts to combat this problem since 2003. That, I am having a hard time doing. I will wait -- as has already been my judgment -- and hope that he is still in the fold and taking positive action. This quote from the Mayor -- however -- gives me pause. And, as written, I think my pause is justified: “ The positive advantages are obvious and they are welcome. The influx of immigrants has enriched our town's culture with a group of individuals who have a profound work ethic, strong family and religious values, and have even added new, vibrant businesses to our downtown." |
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Post by Marc LeVine on Sept 6, 2007 12:57:10 GMT -5
Try reading "between the lines" first. Then, for what you still may not understand or agree with, pick up the phone and send him an email. I happen to know that he will take your call.Again...talk to the Mayor and you will see you are not as far apart as you may think.Disagreement is healthy. As for the Council - we are elected officials and not a sheriff's posse. We are not in office to arbitrarily round up people or encourage direct anger towards them, either.
We are in office to protect the town against the negative effects of illegal immigration (economics and quality of life issues), first and foremost. Education, enforcement and cooperation go hand in hand to this end.
Individually, and I hope, collectively I believe that we are also all interested in pressuring the County, State and Federal governments to solve the regional and national issue of illegal immigration, once and for all. But, while this is all going on in Trenton and Washington, we must build better relations with the existing immigrant community, all of whom are not necessarily here illegally and all of whom - no exceptions - are entitled to their human rights being protected. This is how responsible elected officials should act. You were not the only one to see the problem early. John Rosseel and I (and a few others) called attention to this several years ago and I will agree that the Mayor and Council got on board a bit later than the rest of us. I'm not sure why. But, that's all water under the bridge and we must go forward with today's issues. Apparently, during subsequent elections, the voters of Freehold forgave, at least the Mayor and some members of those old Councils. The current Mayor and Council are doing what we can and what we must for the good of Freehold Borough.
Here's the hardest thing for me to say to a friend - you may be angry that our Mayor isn't doing what you would do - but you are not elected to office in Freehold Borough and - despite loving our town - you no longer live here among us. The latter choice is yours. The former choice was the voters.He has not waffled. I am not waffling. I will NEVER waffle. I consider myself a patriot and am fighting for an America, which has deviated from its successful path under a weak president and his corrupt administration. Our laws must be enforced as they are written or they must be written with the input of the American people. They must be purist laws not beholding to special interests. The only special interest we all have is to our fellow Americans and the legitimate people we serve. This is not just a battle for Freehold Borough - this is a battle for America. I know the Mayor believes this as much as I do.
Unfortunately, we were as unwillling participants as those in Lexington, Concord and Gettysburg once were, but illegal immigration chose to come to our door and we are among those chosen to defend against it - at least in Freehold Borough.![]() You certainly don't need to mediate or answer in any way for the mayor. And -- he does not need to answer to me -- that's for sure. I am -- on this open board, however, trying to reconcile his written words and recent actions with what I thought were his efforts to combat this problem since 2003. That, I am having a hard time doing. I will wait -- as has already been my judgment -- and hope that he is still in the fold and taking positive action. [/img] And, I will only go so far in my defense. I am loyal to all those with honesty and good purpose - you included. But, I believe that sometimes the best defense is a long phone call. It's easier to ask a direct question and consider the direct answer rather than ascertain what is in the newspapers or on a blog. YOU ARE A SMART MAN. CALL THE MAYOR AND GET BEYOND ALL THIS - CUZ WE NEED YOU IN THIS FIGHT AND NOT STARTING A DIFFERENT ONE.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- He didn't say or mean ILLEGAL immigrants!!!!! What he said is absolutely true and the words of a responsible Mayor. You don't throw out the baby with the bath water. Among those we call ILLEGAL immigrants are LEGAL immigrants and I must say - some other good people that, when this is all over, may get a chance to prove worthy of American citizenship. If and when that time comes, we must all accept and welcome them. This is not about the people - it's about the way in which they arrived, what laws they may OR MAY NOT continue to violate and what we, as the American majority want our elected officials to do about it - legislatively and in enforcement-wise. Marc
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Post by richardkelsey on Sept 6, 2007 13:31:02 GMT -5
Again, forgive me Esteemed Esquire -- but, to reiterate, I do not possess the factual knowledge of the past ... correct -- you do not Such vitriol from a Virginian! You can't take the Jersey out of the boy -- I suppose I respect your keen intelligence and professional status, without a doubt. Thank you. But that phrase I used above sounds more than vaguely threatening. Anything with a threatening tone is typically derived from a feeling of directed and purposeful anger, which is usually caused by a slight, a rejection, sense of lost entitlement, personal or professional betrayal. Just my pop psych 101. Disagreement on issues and handling of issues is one thing, and to me, is actually healthy in the sense that it fosters innovative solutions. But i sense much more. Forgive me if I am way off base. Again, just discernment from reading. After all these years -- someone has to be angry -- before there is no one left to be angry. If my anger caused people to understand the problem, find solutions, and take action -- then it would be productive -- wouldn't it? I want this Mayor on the right side of the issue. He has a proven track record of being on the wrong side of the issue. If he is now headed back -- I want to know about it. |
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Post by richardkelsey on Sept 6, 2007 13:41:27 GMT -5
Marc:
I thought you were not getting involved. LOL
I won't refute everything you have written -- but I will say this:
The Mayor wrote that letter trying to get on a Commission that had nothing to do with lawful immigrants and their respective contributions to society. Nobody on earth believes that.
That letter used the tactic that has been shoved in our faces over and over again -- deliberately conflating the concept of legal and illegal immigrant. The lines cannot be read in both the written or historical context to mean what you now say they mean.
and secondly,
You are absolutely crazy -- which I know you are not -- if you believe the elections in that Town are a referendum on the Mayor and Council's actions with respect to illegal immigration. The elections -- particularly this one do speak volumes about the immigration issue -- but the results -- .i.e. who wins them -- are related to the good job the Mayor has done on this issue much the same way I am related to Mike Tyson. ;D
I will call the Mayor.
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Post by Marc LeVine on Sept 6, 2007 14:47:27 GMT -5
I never expected to have the last word, here. You've given few that rare privledge so I am not offended. LOL!!!
Perhaps - MORE IMPORTANTLY - that "last word" will come during your phone call with the Mayor. That was my main objective all along and I apparently accomplished that much, at least.
Marc
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Post by Marc LeVine on Sept 6, 2007 14:59:20 GMT -5
Oh...and Rich...Sorry, but I just don't see the family resemblance:   |
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Post by admin on Sept 7, 2007 4:53:30 GMT -5
www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070907/NEWS01/709070375/1004Mayor asks for help on illegal immigrants Wants serious criminals reported Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 09/7/07 BY NICK PETRUNCIO FREEHOLD BUREAU FREEHOLD — Mayor Michael Wilson is calling on county and municipal law enforcement agencies to act uniformly in carrying out the state attorney general's directive last month on reporting suspected illegal immigrants charged with serious crimes. The mayor, in a prepared statement, told a Borough Council meeting Tuesday that he has spoken with Police Chief Mitch Roth, who will meet with the New Jersey and Monmouth County Chiefs of Police associations and request a summit with the county Prosecutor's Office, the Sheriff's Department and other jurisdictions similarly affected by the directive. Wilson said Roth is requesting that Monmouth County Prosecutor Luis A. Valentin review the guidelines to ensure the attorney general's directive is implemented consistently by all municipalities in the county and answer any questions. The chief also is requesting that Valentin review Section 287(g) of the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, which empowers trained nonfederal police agencies to enforce immigration law, and recommend whether such a program is suitable or appropriate for municipal or regional law enforcement agencies or a combination of both, according to Wilson. Roth on Thursday said he has been in contact with the Prosecutor's Office about a meeting and that his request is "moving up the chain of command." He also said he just got back from a meeting with the New Jersey Chiefs of Police Association and noted a meeting of the Monmouth County Chiefs of Police Association is coming up later this month. Lazaro Cardenas, deputy director of the Monmouth County chapter of the Latino Leadership Alliance, said the alliance is monitoring the directive closely and wants to make sure it is not being used for racial profiling. "That is not the intent of this directive, and the attorney general made that clear," he said, noting that safeguards are in place for immigrants and that they can be stopped and asked for their status only under specific conditions. Wilson said the borough continues to comply with the directive that New Jersey Attorney General Anne Milgram issued on Aug. 22. It mandates that police ask about the immigration or citizenship status of suspects charged only with indictable crimes or driving while intoxicated, as part of the booking process. Moreover, the mandate requires officers who believe a suspect is in the country illegally to contact Immigration and Customs Enforcement. The directive "requires inquiry and notification as to immigration status, but does not call for detention of a person suspected of being in the country illegally, unless so notified by ICE to detain the individual," Wilson said in the statement. He also noted the directive mandates that no inquiry be made or investigation commenced into the immigration status of any victim, witness, potential witness or person who has requested or is receiving police assistance. On the issue of Section 287(g), Wilson noted Thursday that is a detention program and said for it to be pursued, the county needs to be involved. He said a small town like Freehold, with only a couple of holding cells, does not have the facilities to detain individuals, but the county does, specifically the Monmouth County Correctional Institution in Freehold Township. "287(g) is a tool that I don't think will help Freehold Borough in any way," Cardenas said, noting that the kinds of offenses with which the borough is dealing are things such as overcrowding and 287(g) is used for felonies. But, on Aug. 27, five days after Milgram's directive was issued, Freehold police arrested an individual on charges of aggravated assault, an indictable crime, questioned the person's status and then provided the information obtained to federal authorities for review in accordance with the directive, according to Wilson. The directive followed the execution-style killings of three college students Aug. 4 in a Newark schoolyard. Police identified one of the perpetrators as a 28-year-old illegal immigrant from Peru. What may have followed from that crime, Wilson noted, is some light at the end of the tunnel for communities like Freehold, which has been trying to fight illegal immigration and had been sued in federal court by an immigrants-rights group. "It's got to be done correctly," he said of the directive's implementation. "We are also dealing with human beings. We don't want this to become a situation where people are abused, but if they are arrested for felonies, then you go to the next level." Nick Petruncio: (732) 308-7752 or npetruncio@app.com
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Sept 7, 2007 6:54:42 GMT -5
" Lazaro Cardenas, deputy director of the Monmouth County chapter of the Latino Leadership Alliance, said the alliance is monitoring the directive closely and wants to make sure it is not being used for racial profiling.
"That is not the intent of this directive, and the attorney general made that clear," he said, noting that safeguards are in place for immigrants and that they can be stopped and asked for their status only under specific conditions.."[/b]
Cute, Is this how law students practice for the BAR exam?
Laz and the LLA need to call for an immediate investigation along the southern Boarder that addresss why the 12 million illegal boarder hoppers have the same, unique sappearance shared by people who live South of the boarder!
But laz is correct, we need to be equal handed when Blond Hair Blue eye people are approach, we do not need an incident where an illegal Finn or Swede, is mistaken for a Native Minnesotan!
Nothing wrong with sticking up for you own! Way to go Laz, defender of the Innocent!
I had a corrections officer friend once, he told me the highest concentration of Innocent people is the prison population! Mostly everyone there claimed to be innocent victims!
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Post by bergsteiger on Sept 7, 2007 7:49:25 GMT -5
Excellent. I have always believed the county should lead the charge and institute 287g--as it makes fundamental sense. Let's hope Monmouth County agrees. Ideologically, Cardenas has a point about racial profiling, but I would believe that would be nullified through proper training of countywide officers. When both (AG mandate and 287g) are implemented and enforced in the county and thus by inclusion, FB, this should send a clear and strong message to members of any illegal resident communities who are compelled to perpetrate felonious acts of aggression or of other criminal deceptions and shadiness. Cardenas has no point along with no examples of racial profiling. Cardenas is a fine example of a true racist. He will all ways side with the Latino community regardless what they do or how they act. |
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Post by LS on Sept 7, 2007 8:55:38 GMT -5
"Council cool on the idea of 287(g)" article from June this year: newstranscript.gmnews.com/news/2007/0613/Front_page/002.htmlI am glad that the AG's statement has helped turned the tide and is giving local towns and police forces the "encouragement" to follow through with the laws. Remember the AG's statement, from my memory, including drunk driving. It also includes felonies, which include many drug offenses, and assaults. |
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Post by Marc LeVine on Sept 7, 2007 9:11:07 GMT -5
We rely on our police officers to protect us from crime, yet they are human and sometimes prone to human faults. We train and manage them properly to avoid unfortunate issues stemming from their job behaviors. If and when they screw up there are adequate disciplinary avenues, in place, to deal with any breach of law enforcement activity.
How the NJ State Police treated a van full of African Americans on the NJ Turnpike several years ago was inexcusable. No question.
The NYC Police brouhahas involving Amadou Diallo, Abner Luema and some other notable race victims of police brutality were despicable. The LA Police department's treatment of Rodney King was equally unacceptable and unforgivable.
Here is the chief consideration: do we not enforce our laws because of the unfortunate situations that took place in the past or as a result of the actions of a few bad cops, who were eventually prosecuted? Of course, we still do what we still must do to protect our residents from criminal harm.
The new AG directive and any possible implementation of 287g come with the expectation of respect and fairness toward others. They are ONLY designed to get existing criminals, who also happen to be in our country illegally, off our streets and help to prevent the horrible crimes they may commit if they are allowed to roam free.
...and, would we ever forgive ourselves if they did something heinous and we missed a chance to prevent it from happening?
Marc
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Post by LS on Sept 7, 2007 9:34:15 GMT -5
...and, would we ever forgive ourselves if they did something heinous and we missed a chance to prevent it from happening? Marc Unfortunately, I think this is the real reason for the change in heart of so many politicians - an election concern. (Marc, do not read it into this as personal to you or the council, but I thought this when the AG made it's comments and the following bandwagon throughout the country.) I also think that if these kids had been your stereotypical black kids from Newark, this would not have been a big news story - maybe just the local section of the Ledger. But there are news stories that stick out because of how something happened, or who the people are, that often make changes in society or the law. That's just a sad fact of life. |
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Post by bergsteiger on Sept 7, 2007 9:57:57 GMT -5
My point was very simple and clear: by now, I believe because of those incidents Marc mentioned, there has been proper training in place to prevent racial profiling, so Laz Cardenas' concern is, I would believe, rather irrelevant as such incident is not likely to happen. Actually, Because of those incidents Marc mentioned and the controls put in place, criminals are getting away with more because the police are treading on thin ice. I know quite a few policeman, all of them feel like they can’t do their job adequately because of fear of persecution. Bad people get away with things they shouldn’t because of the way they look, that’s not fair either. |
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Post by Zeus on Sept 7, 2007 10:01:55 GMT -5
Calliope, you are a reasonable woman, probably one of the more sensible ones here... but Cardenas' concerns are not without merit, here are some incidents that have transpired after all the training you and Marc make mention of and a contradiction to your assessment that "...such incident is not likely to happen." www.waxahachiedailylight.com/articles/2007/05/20/dailylight/news/01-05-20-taser.txtwww.lewrockwell.com/suprynowicz/suprynowicz66.htmlwww.phoenixnewtimes.com/2004-08-05/news/dog-day-afternoon/1www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/061907dnmetofficer.1a78f432.htmlnews.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6282348.stmen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notable_cases_of_police_brutality....and this just in today.... www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_wires/2007Sep06/0,4675,ImmigrantDeath,00.html My point was very simple and clear: by now, I believe because of those incidents Marc mentioned, there has been proper training in place to prevent racial profiling, so Laz Cardenas' concern is, I would believe, rather irrelevant as such incident is not likely to happen. |
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Post by Marc LeVine on Sept 7, 2007 10:57:25 GMT -5
You are absolutely correct. Having worked within a media organization, myself, I know this to be true, first hand.
Why the Scott Peterson case? Why the Hacking case? Some years ago we had a much more interesting case right here in Freehold Borough that didn't get very far in the media - the Nolan murder-suicide.
The Nolans were a handsome young couple, who came to town to start a new life - A LIFE AFTER MURDER! But, no one knew it at the time.
Kim Nolan was a murder trial "groupie," who attended the upstate New York trial of a man (Bob) who slit the throats of his ex-wife and her lover and got off on a technicality. She actually fell in love with this guy and they married.
When they arrived in town, he built up a successful construction business and they lived comfortably with her mother and their young children in one of the nicest homes in the Borough.
They started joining organizations in town and becoming part of the community very fast. Jeff Jones actually brought them into the Freehold Borough Republican Club, though Kim eventually got involved with the local Democratic party.
Bob Nolan might have been an abusive husband, from what I hear. Soon, Kim Nolan began cheating on him and got even more involved in Freehold Borough, presumably, to be out of the house and away from Bob as much as she could be. She even served on the Planning Board with me for awhile.
To make a long story short, one morning Bob Nolan shot and killed Kim, as she hid from him in a bedroom closet. Then, he went out to their backyard swimming pool and turned the gun on himself, as the police arrived.
The Nolans left two great kids for the grandmother to raise.
As a footnote, our Mayor Wilson was very charitable and supportive of the grandmother and the children left behind. This was noted in the local newspapers.
Perhaps, the story didn't have enough media legs, because it was a murder suicide leaving us without a trial or potential appearances on Larry King. Then again, the recent wrestling murder-suicide involving Chris Benoit has garnered lots of media attention the past several weeks. Yes, he had a moderate degree of fame.
The media picks and chooses its news stories from a national list of "goings on." The recent Newark murders hit a national nerve because it involved some innocent and well educated black kids, killed in a city that is totally out of control and by a killer representing a national security issue, which is equally out of control - ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.
It took the assassination of an obscure European archduke to begin World War I. Perhaps, the news services realized that a brutal murder by a criminal illegal alien on the loose, could start a different kind of war right here in New Jersey and, hopefully, throughout America.
Mr. Caranza - the murderer - may just turn out to be an unwilling poster child for jump starting the end game for illegal immigration in the United States. I certainly hope so. At least, in this one respect, these kids who will never fulfill their true potentials, will not have died for nothing.
Adam Walsh's murder gave us John Walsh and he gave us "America's Most Wanted." Megan Kanka's brutal murder got us Megan's Law. Perhaps, the Newark murders will lead to something equally powerful - Immigration Controls.
Marc
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Sept 7, 2007 10:59:26 GMT -5
 Calliope, you are a reasonable woman, probably one of the more sensible ones here... but Cardenas' concerns are not without merit, here are some incidents that have transpired after all the training you and Marc make mention of and a contradiction to your assessment that "...such incident is not likely to happen." www.waxahachiedailylight.com/articles/2007/05/20/dailylight/news/01-05-20-taser.txtwww.lewrockwell.com/suprynowicz/suprynowicz66.htmlwww.phoenixnewtimes.com/2004-08-05/news/dog-day-afternoon/1www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/061907dnmetofficer.1a78f432.htmlnews.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6282348.stmen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notable_cases_of_police_brutality....and this just in today.... www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_wires/2007Sep06/0,4675,ImmigrantDeath,00.html My point was very simple and clear: by now, I believe because of those incidents Marc mentioned, there has been proper training in place to prevent racial profiling, so Laz Cardenas' concern is, I would believe, rather irrelevant as such incident is not likely to happen. |
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Post by Marc LeVine on Sept 7, 2007 11:10:21 GMT -5
Fiber: I love it!!! You are most creative! A picture speaks a thousand words!! I recommend that Brian and Rich adopt this as the "Fishing/Baiting" symbol attached to all such related posts. Marc |
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Sept 7, 2007 11:24:03 GMT -5
Fiber: I love it!!! You are most creative! A picture speaks a thousand words!! I recommend that Brian and Rich adopt this as the "Fishing/Baiting" symbol attached to all such related posts. Marc WHAAAAAAAAAAT ever are you saying Councilman Marc?  |
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Post by Marc LeVine on Sept 7, 2007 11:46:22 GMT -5
I wasn't specifically commenting on Zeus' posting. I just liked Fiber's choice of the symbol. I roared out loud on this end. It just tickled my funny bone! ;D
Marc
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