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Post by Marc LeVine on Aug 17, 2007 11:53:53 GMT -5
...and I'm not sure everyone on the panel is a "wrong minded person and certainly not an enemy - but their views may not necessarily jive with Freehold Borough's needs nor even consider them.
I admire Mike Wildes from Englewood and think he is going for the same reason our Mayor wants to go - to balance the committee and see that the interests of towns like his are served best.
Marc
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Post by richardkelsey on Aug 17, 2007 13:14:49 GMT -5
In his letter, Wilson told Corzine that "the impact of this dilemma (immigration) has both its advantages and disadvantages. The positive advantages are obvious and they are welcome. The influx of immigrants has enriched our town's culture with a group of individuals who have a profound work ethic, strong family and religious values, and have even added new, vibrant businesses to our downtown."[/color] I’m sorry but I’m not seeing it. I keep looking but I can’t see the positive that Wilson is seeing. Could someone point it out to me? I remember it to be better before the influx. Maybe I should just not believe what I can see with my own eyes.  [/quote] Want to cry? got through the News Transcript archives and read how the opinion of the town council has changed over the years. Frmo tough talker to a person vying for a chance to be part of a committee looking at ways to integrate illegals (let's face facts, that is what this committee is about). [/quote] You have exposed the issue very nicely. I was so inflamed -- that yesterday I wrote a very long, and very pointed editorial on this issue. I have not yet committed to publishing it -- but it exposes the flip-flopping inconsistency and directly draws a distinction between tough talk and no action -- and the actual actions. I cannot express how angry I am -- well not quite yet. But I am shaping that expression very nicely. I will tell you this -- my first draft quotes the same language from the Mayor's letter. This just leaves my head shaking. |
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Post by LS on Aug 17, 2007 14:00:26 GMT -5
As for associating with "wrong minded people?" I like Don Corleone's advice about which people to keep closest to you. ... Marc FOr those not faimliar, Marc's quote that he eluded to is "Keep your friends close, your enemies closer." This piece of advice has not worked for the borough. We keep appointing "enemies" to various committees and then get stabbed in the back. Remember this is a movie quote by Michael Corleone (not Don, but relayed by Michael - as something he learned from his father) is just a movie quote - and a sequel to boot! It is NOT a truism!!! |
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Aug 17, 2007 14:04:56 GMT -5
Marc, it is time to take off the rose colored glasses. It is not necessary better to be a part of the internal process. When this new panel proves to be the fraud it is, our Mayor will have his name associated with a sell out. Not good. You mention a certain advocate and his tasteless antics. That should be a learning lesson to not associate with wrong minded people. Will you guys learn? What we need to see form our Mayor is for him to band together with other like minded Mayors and fight against this blue ribbon panel. We also need to see him shed his party affiliation and get away from the defeatocrats. It is not good to be associated with the party that always sells out. Name one NJ Dem how has stood up against the Party on a hot issue? Again, if this committee is to do an honest job, politicians need not apply. DA's, Prosecutor's Sheriffs and Police Chiefs need be directing this. The focus is about mitigating criminals and their illegal activity, not the assimilation a voting block. I draw a difference between illegal undocumented interloping aliens vs. Immigrants. I work with legal immigrants from India, China, Germany, Korea,… I have also seen legal immigrants move from FB to get away from the Illegal Aliens, the trouble and cost they bring to this community. Until this violation of laws is addressed, and not a political issue, no committee will resolve what is going wrong. We have a lack of civility, social responsibilities of the Slumlords and those who employ "Contraband Workers" (smiling up at Ike), that is what is wrong. This situation is brought upon us due to a cultural loss of ethics. If ethics prevailed, there would be no need for this discussion, Illegal Undocumented Aliens are not immigrants. Use of the word immigrant describes a status after a process is completed. Break in and Entry is not an ethical immigration process, it is illegal activity plain and simple. It must be recognized, and managed for what is. Acceptance of hoards that ignore the laws for a sovereign nation is not an ethical addition that will enrich the fabric of this nation. |
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Post by Marc LeVine on Aug 17, 2007 14:50:04 GMT -5
In this case, not "enemies" - just folks whose agenda we are unsure about, such as those placed on that commitee. Secondly, the appointed one you speak of is not reappointed to anything. Third, perhaps not a truism, but a widely accepted principle many hold in closely observing those who may have an unknown and undesirable impact on a variety of important interests. Finally, yes a sequel - but an Academy Award winning one!  Marc |
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Post by LS on Aug 17, 2007 14:56:09 GMT -5
In this case, not "enemies" - just folks whose agenda we are unsure about, such as those placed on that commitee. Secondly, the appointed one you speak of is not reappointed to anything. Third, perhaps not a truism, but a widely accepted principle many hold in closely observing those who may have an unknown and undesirable impact on a variety of important interests. Finally, yes a sequel - but an Academy Award winning one! Marc ahh, yes, but there is nothing like an original. Michael probably misremembered the quote. I assume Don Corleone said something like "keep you friends close, you enemies in concrete boots." |
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Aug 17, 2007 15:05:01 GMT -5
In this case, not "enemies" - just folks whose agenda we are unsure about, such as those placed on that committee. Secondly, the appointed one you speak of is not reappointed to anything. Third, perhaps not a truism, but a widely accepted principle many hold in closely observing those who may have an unknown and undesirable impact on a variety of important interests. Finally, yes a sequel - but an Academy Award winning one! Marc ahh, yes, but there is nothing like an original. Michael probably misremembered the quote. I assume Don Corleone said something like "keep you friends close, you enemies in concrete boots." NO.. keep you friends close, your enemies get hi velocity lead injections  |
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Post by LS on Aug 17, 2007 15:07:53 GMT -5
ahh, yes, but there is nothing like an original. Michael probably misremembered the quote. I assume Don Corleone said something like "keep you friends close, you enemies in concrete boots." NO.. keep you friends close, you enemies get hi velocity lead injections Makes me wonder if Bergsteiger and FIGFY are one in the same. |
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Post by Marc LeVne on Aug 17, 2007 15:14:28 GMT -5
If this is what this committee is about (assimilation a voting block), we should ALL be very disappointed. I'd certainly want to be there to smoke this BS out from the start and not sit home waiting for BOHICA, as Jim Gearhart would say.
Mayors ARE appropriate for this committee. No one has been listening to them so far in Washington or in Trenton. It's time that Corzine and his cronies OFFICIALLY hear what they have to say, take heed of their messages and offer immediate relief to their effected towns.
The police establishment needs to stand by and receive statewide 287g powers - STATEWIDE. They need this immediately. The matter in Newark just sealed the deal on this.
The effected towns need to standby and receive MONEY. Lost municipal revenue resulting from the influx - translation for FB: the OTHER 1/2+ million the Borough schools are entitled to for starters.
Each of the worst suffering towns has its own set of needs. Towns like FB and Lakewood need STREET enforcement of employment laws, wherever the landscapers and contractors pick up workers. I fear that when the smoke clears, the INS may overlook these lower level employers in favor of more easily targeting the larger employers, in permanent locations.
Our larger NJ cities and towns need a crackdown on the counterfeiting of documents that allow illegals to work for the huge temp services and the larger employers - many with household names.
Still other towns, have major employers in their industrial parks that need to be raided for hiring thousands of illegal temps, daily, and allowing non DOT registered vans to run up and down their roads overloaded with illegal employees headed to namebrand companies.
Didn't think there were so many different issues? There are.
This is the stuff that needs discussing, because half the people I know don't even know about some of the crap I mentioned, above. THIS is the agenda that needs to be forced at those meetings along with the human relations issue.
There are two issues here - fixing the illegal stuff and THEN, offering compassion to those, who can and will play by the rules - after enforcement of our laws take effect. Anyone who can survive a "level playing field" deserves our respect and a sincere welcome to America. Anyone who still needs to cheat by skirting our laws is nothing more than a drain that we can't afford.
Marc
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Aug 17, 2007 15:30:51 GMT -5
NO.. keep you friends close, you enemies get hi velocity lead injections Makes me wonder if Bergsteiger and FIGFY are one in the same. Nhaaa, His grammer is so very much gooder than me!!!  |
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