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Post by Libyan Sibyl on Sept 24, 2007 10:55:15 GMT -5
no small part to Marc taking the next step, I am sure.
How are the committee assignments going? I went online and couldn't find the rental board, CIC or HR committee members online?
what is "FfOS"?
Can we get a list of who is on these committees?
p.s. Kevin Coyne's picture is still on the website.
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Post by admin on Sept 24, 2007 11:01:13 GMT -5
no small part to Marc taking the next step, I am sure. How are the committee assignments going? I went online and couldn't find the rental board, CIC or HR committee members online? what is "FfOS"? Can we get a list of who is on these committees? p.s. Kevin Coyne's picture is still on the website. FFOS is "Fund For an Open Society" which is what we looked at when we went to Maplewood last winter. I did post the members of the CIC somewhere o this site. The rental board is not a permanent board ( I think) I will post the current roster of HRC members under that board.
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Post by Libyan Sibyl on Oct 1, 2007 13:46:13 GMT -5
I think this is a wondrous idea and would be quite fun and enlightening to attend. Hopefully, it will go a long way in fostering an appreciation for the culture. I'm hoping they may have some cooking demonstrations! I hope nobody goes to this festival. Attending this event justifies the past actions of the organizers (look at the list, you will recognize many of the trouble makers); attending the event justifies a special event for latinos (they are special aren't they), it promotes the illegal behavior by showing community support for lawbreakers. It panders and caters to the illegal community. It says we are integrating to you, not the other way around. It says keep doing what you do (as Bergsteiger pointed out, what contributions?). Show the illegal population and the mayor that you don't support this event by not attending. yes, the mayor who writes to the latino papers, attends latino events, and who ignores you.
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Post by admin on Oct 1, 2007 14:09:43 GMT -5
I think this is a wondrous idea and would be quite fun and enlightening to attend. Hopefully, it will go a long way in fostering an appreciation for the culture. I'm hoping they may have some cooking demonstrations! I hope nobody goes to this festival. Attending this event justifies the past actions of the organizers (look at the list, you will recognize many of the trouble makers); attending the event justifies a special event for latinos (they are special aren't they), it promotes the illegal behavior by showing community support for lawbreakers. It panders and caters to the illegal community. It says we are integrating to you, not the other way around. It says keep doing what you do (as Bergsteiger pointed out, what contributions?). Show the illegal population and the mayor that you don't support this even by not attending. yes, the mayor who writes to the latino papers, attends latino events, and who ignores you. If this year is anything lile the last two years, you may get your wish. The Latino fest has not, yet, drawn a decent amount of people. I have heard the fest was also used last year to slam the Mayor and council, but I do not know the details. Speaking of integration, I noticed on the school web site that some of it is now in spanish. We are going backwords. Good job, BOE.
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Post by admin on Nov 26, 2007 8:32:27 GMT -5
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Post by casualreader on Nov 26, 2007 9:38:32 GMT -5
Did you see the Mayor and Councilman LeVine Dude slurping down those tacos and consorting with radicals? It is a real eye opener. They actually look like they are having fun. Imagine treating the Latinos like human beings. Absolutely shocking. I can see this in a Ted "Never Gonna Be Councilman" Miller campaign ad in 2008. Casually Shocked
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Post by Libyan Sibyl on Nov 26, 2007 11:22:40 GMT -5
1800 to 2000 in attendance???
BTW, Cardenas' website is entitled "Casa Freehold"...
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Nov 26, 2007 22:39:15 GMT -5
1800 to 2000 in attendance??? BTW, Cardenas' website is entitled "Casa Freehold"... I heard of Casa Freehold... an unoffical website??? www.workers.org/2005/us/freehold-0714/‘No human being is illegal’ Published Jul 5, 2005 10:10 PM Day laborers, like these in Freehold, N.J., face detention under the Homeland Security laws. Casa Freehold, a coalition made up mostly of immigrant workers from Latin America, held a rally and march in the central New Jersey town of Freehold on July 4. The protest, which brought out an estimated 200 people from around the region, including New York City, focused on the important struggle of immigrants who face daily racist attacks from bosses and politicians. These workers face the terrible stigma of being declared “illegal’--a divide-and-conquer tactic meant to keep them invisible, unorganized and subject to starvation wages. Although these workers face daily harassment and demonization from bigoted cops, the mainstream media and the Freehold mayor, they, with the support of North American activists, fought for and won the right to form a muster zone. That's an area where day laborers meet prospective employers in a kind of hiring hall. Because they are together as a group, they can demand at least a minimum wage, and help build working-class unity against the bosses' greed to make more profits. Freehold has the only known muster zone of its kind for immigrant workers in the United States. Most of these workers came here from Mexico. They can be taken into custody under the Homeland Security laws and face endless time in detention, including torture, without being brought up on any kind of charges. Civil-rights attorneys in New Jersey are filing lawsuits on behalf of these victims. This sort of brutality, sanctioned under the Homeland Security and Patriot acts, is similar to what is occurring in Guantanamo to Muslims and South Asians at the hands of the U.S. military. The White House has given the green light to extra-legal terrorist vigilante groups like the Minutemen and Ku Klux Klan to both scapegoat and physically assault immigrant workers. It is important that the U.S. progressive movement and the trade unions show solidarity with the most oppressed workers, like those in Freehold. They are on the front lines in fighting not only for their own rights, but for the rights of all workers, foreign and native born, especially in the United States. --Monica Moorehead
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Post by fiberisgoodforyou on Nov 26, 2007 23:00:51 GMT -5
1800 to 2000 in attendance??? BTW, Cardenas' website is entitled "Casa Freehold"... putting words to pictures. Mayor Michael Wilson and the Borough Council responded in a statement and said, "Ms. Gemma and Mr. Abarca, an admitted illegal immigrant, have once again untruthfully twisted the words of Freehold Borough officials. They refuse to acknowledge the difference between immigration and illegal immigration. Borough officials are on record criticizing the federal government's failed immigration policy, which has profoundly affected our working class town. Their accusations are scurrilous and divisive. "Their allegation that borough officials are attempting to drive the working class out of town is absurd. They seem to care little for the actual working-class residents of this town â€" the people of all races who are hurt the most by illegal immigration, the people who are squeezed out of their homes by landlords who can get more rent by packing in groups of illegal immigrants, the people whose wages are undermined by the illegal, under-the-table cash economy. " The hypocrisy of these self-anointed activists is evident as they continue to ignore the laws of our country by promoting illegal immigration and illegal employment practices," the mayor and council said. Casa Freehold is a local immigrant support group comprised of about 50 people, .....
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Post by admin on Nov 27, 2007 8:44:58 GMT -5
1800 to 2000 in attendance??? BTW, Cardenas' website is entitled "Casa Freehold"... The pictures do not support the numbers that the event organizers reported. Don't hold it against them, though. Unless they were selling tickets or had some other way of counting visitors, it is normal and natural for event organizers to over estimate attendance. It happens all the time. Even the battle of the bands that was held this year was likely over reported. I was there.
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Post by admin on Nov 27, 2007 8:50:28 GMT -5
1800 to 2000 in attendance??? BTW, Cardenas' website is entitled "Casa Freehold"... I heard of Casa Freehold... an unoffical website??? www.workers.org/2005/us/freehold-0714/‘No human being is illegal’ Published Jul 5, 2005 10:10 PM Day laborers, like these in Freehold, N.J., face detention under the Homeland Security laws. Casa Freehold, a coalition made up mostly of immigrant workers from Latin America, held a rally and march in the central New Jersey town of Freehold on July 4. The protest, which brought out an estimated 200 people from around the region, including New York City, focused on the important struggle of immigrants who face daily racist attacks from bosses and politicians. These workers face the terrible stigma of being declared “illegal’--a divide-and-conquer tactic meant to keep them invisible, unorganized and subject to starvation wages. Although these workers face daily harassment and demonization from bigoted cops, the mainstream media and the Freehold mayor, they, with the support of North American activists, fought for and won the right to form a muster zone. That's an area where day laborers meet prospective employers in a kind of hiring hall. Because they are together as a group, they can demand at least a minimum wage, and help build working-class unity against the bosses' greed to make more profits. Freehold has the only known muster zone of its kind for immigrant workers in the United States. Most of these workers came here from Mexico. They can be taken into custody under the Homeland Security laws and face endless time in detention, including torture, without being brought up on any kind of charges. Civil-rights attorneys in New Jersey are filing lawsuits on behalf of these victims. This sort of brutality, sanctioned under the Homeland Security and Patriot acts, is similar to what is occurring in Guantanamo to Muslims and South Asians at the hands of the U.S. military. The White House has given the green light to extra-legal terrorist vigilante groups like the Minutemen and Ku Klux Klan to both scapegoat and physically assault immigrant workers. It is important that the U.S. progressive movement and the trade unions show solidarity with the most oppressed workers, like those in Freehold. They are on the front lines in fighting not only for their own rights, but for the rights of all workers, foreign and native born, especially in the United States. --Monica Moorehead Reading that is hysterical. I remember that rally and it was no where near the two hundred that is reported above. It was more like thirty. I recall thinking that it was a positive sign from the illegal alien community in that they were not stupid enough to participate in a rally that insults Americans on the day we celebrate this countrys birth.
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Post by Libyan Sibyl on Nov 27, 2007 8:53:17 GMT -5
Brian, the same people that counted this protest march must've been the people that counted the attendance at the Latino festival.
Some estimate that a kajillion people were there.
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Post by Libyan Sibyl on Nov 27, 2007 8:54:34 GMT -5
Being on Council, I end up having a "hand" in just abour everything. But, some of the things that have come out of this board include:
1. New Committee members like Brian, Calliope, etc. 2. Public input on amending of ordinances such as No Knock, Shopping Carts and Outdoor fireplaces. 3. Public input regarding the Rental Advisory Recommendations. 4. Played an organizing role in the school funding affair. 5. Rallied support for the town at the March 6th "event." 6. Serves as an Historical archive of Freehold Borough news items. 7. Played a role in choosing the delegation that met with FfOS.Marc I thought this was an interesting aspect of this particular thread... As Rich says, "emphasis added."
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Post by Libyan Sibyl on Dec 12, 2007 16:52:23 GMT -5
1800 to 2000 in attendance??? BTW, Cardenas' website is entitled "Casa Freehold"... today's NT piece on the HR committee stated that there were only hundreds at the festival. The current estimate seems to be a more accurate than 1800-2000 previously provided (especially after seeing the pics from the event). Thank you. We need to elect a different type of politician than we have become used to, throughout this country. People more like US - regular, average people. Folks that don't post on boards like this feel the need to watch their "a--s." I post thinking the reverse...those who would feel the need to challenge my desire to communicate openly with the community - anywhere I want to - really need to watch their's! Berg - there's a little Patton in me, too. Marc I thought this was also an interesting quote too.
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Post by admin on Dec 12, 2007 17:52:44 GMT -5
ahh, Marc. I miss having the ol' geezer on the site. He is watching and probably screaming at all of us through his computer.
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Post by casualreader on Dec 14, 2007 9:02:50 GMT -5
Libyan Sibyl: You seem obsessed with the attendance level at the Latino Festival -- isn't this a rather frivolous point on your part? Your point seems to be -- as far as I can determine -- that in fact very few attended the festival. You want to comfort yourself with the notion that Latinos have no support in the borough. Let me just share with you what I saw -- I arrived late. Probably for the last 90 minutes -- there was a mariachi band playing. There were several hundred people there at that time -- (300 or so -- just a guess). But people were coming in and out so it is difficult to know. If they had that sort of attendance throughout the day with people coming and going it seems quite likely that they would have gone well beyond 1500. Brian dude made a similar point a few weeks ago but you continue to insist that no one but the mayor, Councilman Levine dude and the LLA and Casa Freehold went. You make this point even though you did not attend! Here is my suggestion for you next year -- Go in the early morning with a counter and stand outside the area where it is being held and count the people going in. For every two count one and you will probably get an attendance figure with which you are comfortable. Casually Doing the Arithmetic
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Post by Libyan Sibyl on Dec 14, 2007 10:00:45 GMT -5
You make this point even though you did not attend! Here is my suggestion for you next year -- Go in the early morning with a counter and stand outside the area where it is being held and count the people going in. For every two count one and you will probably get an attendance figure with which you are comfortable. Casually Doing the Arithmetic 1. I saw the pictures of the event and instantly can tell that 2,000 is an overestimate. 2. I will not go next year for any reason. There really did not seem like much really going on. It appeared to be one of the lamest cultural festivals I've ever had the misfortune to hear or see documentation of. The pictures spoke a thousand words. 3. Perhaps you should do formal arithmetic instead of casual, and you will have better results. I suggest we wait until next fall to debate this issue further as I am not really interested in it. I would rather hear from you (in a separate thread) who you are supporting in the presidential primaries. Give me both parties - who you prefer and your predictions. I think that will be a more interesting topic (not that we'll agree there either).
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Post by casualreader on Dec 14, 2007 10:08:30 GMT -5
Your remarks remind me of a book reviewer who attacks a book without reading it.
Or a movie reviewer that hates a film they have never seen.
I just want your lack of information on this subject to be clear to everyone who reads your posts.
As for the presidential race, I may share my thoughts on that at a later date in the right thread.
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Post by casualreader on Dec 14, 2007 10:20:48 GMT -5
LS:
One final point --
If you are not interested in the subject -- why do you bring it up more than two months after the event. It seems like something is stuck in your gut and you can't get it out??? ;D
Casually Obsessed with Your Obsession
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